NSA's Cell Phone and Email Spying PRISM Program Costs Taxpayers $20 Million Annually

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Ghost XFX

You're an idiot if you think this is perfectly fine. After all we seen over the last few weeks, you're still happy and content your freedoms have been stripped from you, that the Government can target whomever they damn well please?!

On the flipside, we can now inquire the NSA for having the worlds biggest porn depot saved away for the children of the future. How about that?!

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vrmlbasic

Yes, the world's biggest porn depot for the children of the future, featuring the children of today... (vomit)

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vrmlbasic

And CBS told us that their show Person of Interest was fictional...

Too bad it didn't thwart the Boston terrorists. Were their phone calls, emails etc ignored?

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devin3627

this is aimed at religious genuises who wanna cause harm.

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The Mac

This is the world we live in.

Embrace technology, embrace monitoring. By both the good guys, and the bad guys.

Get used to it, its never going to go away. Ever.

If you cant deal with it, move to a shack in monatana and grow an epic beard.

As mungo said, if you aren't doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.

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MaximumMike

>>if you aren't doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.

That's the kind of rhetoric Nazis were using when rounding up all the Jews. It's a poor excuse for government intrusion into our personal lives. It's also the kind of naive thinking that believes no one involved in government would exploit this data. People like you get all up in arms when some ultra conservative group wants to censor a violent video game (which I don't advocate by the way), but then you roll over when the government wants to censor people's personal emails.

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The Mac

like it or not, its here to stay.

I wondering how long it would be before some nut job alarmist envoked Goodwins law.

This is not Germany in the early 20th century, we do not live in a totalitarian state run by a sociopath, this country is not run by fasists, and we do not live in a repressive country.

no amount of bitching will change technological advancement.

Where there is digital information exchange, there will be people monitoring it. Its a given.

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MaximumMike

I was wondering what kind of nut job defends the immoral actions of a police state over the rights of the people, despite the lessons we have learned from history. It's not alarmism to look at how bad things got somewhere else because delusional statists like yourself were willing to overlook the oppressive and unprecedented power grabs of a state gone mad. And there is certainly plenty to suggest that the US government is rapidly heading in just that direction.

>> we do not live in a totalitarian state run by a sociopath
Does the name Barack Obama mean anything to you? A close examination of his presidential policies strongly suggest he is moving us in that direction.

>>this country is not run by fasists
Even worse, it's run by communists who aspire to becoming fascists, like Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin.

>>and we do not live in a repressive country
Really? Perhaps this is more of a question of how much repression is tolerable? How do you explain the economic discrimination that is currently happening around the tobacco industry? The government is consistently driving up tobacco costs and making it difficult for people who choose to smoke to enjoy their lives and be productive parts of society. In fact, some parts of Florida will fire you from a government job if they find out you smoke tobacco in the privacy of your own home. And I've heard other places are worse, though I haven't investigated those. So, is it that you don't consider these state policies to be repressive? Or is it that you just find this to be an acceptable level of repression?

>>no amount of bitching will change technological advancement.
You couldn't be more wrong. If anything is proven to work in this country, it's bitching. See the entire history of the Civil Rights movement. Also, there have historically been many cases of impediments to technological advancement right here in the good ole US of A. Recently SOPA and PIPA protests effectively killed some very bad bills that would have made it easy for the government to do some of the stuff you have been so avidly advocating around here lately. So, it sounds like you're just blowing smoke to me.

>>Where there is digital information exchange, there will be people monitoring it. Its a given.
Please back up that moronic statement with something of substance. Thanks.

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The Mac

While i agree the obama administration is governing from the left, and is a boarderline socialist, i think lumping him and his ilk as sociopathic fasist/communists is a bit much.

You are preaching to the choir here as a conservative smoker. Nothing moere irritating than having to outside to have a smoke in a bar.

lol

While bitching may slow things down, its doesnt change the underlying technology, or abuse there of.

It just means it will stay in the shadows, as this episode has indicated.

Sure ill back it up: The MPAA is watching what you bit torrent.

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Nimrod

Ok cool. When the government retroactively decides that something you did on line 10 years ago is reason to throw you in jail without due process for the rest of your life I wont protest.

I hate to break it to you you moron level idiot but we do live in a corporate fascist state. When the heads of corporations such as Monsanto and others are also the heads of the FDA and making laws for the selvs, that is classical corporate fascism. But what ever you are obviously just an ignorant fuck who believes what he wants in order to feel good about the world. You should just like the Jews who believed they were being protected from street mobs when they were being hauled off to death camps. They believed they were actually going to get a real shower after their train ride. Dip shit.

Or maybe you are a CONINTEL agent just stirring up rife on the internet, who knows.

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The Mac

More alarmist drivel and Goodwins law envoking...

You cant be thrown in jail without a trial dipshit. If that changes, you've got bigger issues than the government backing up your phone conversations.

go back to your tinfoil hat making chicken-little and leave the policy making to the grownups.

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Biceps

I am creating a new law, called the McCarthy Rule: any time Americans are talking about national security in an online forum, sooner or later, some simpleton will claim, "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about".

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jonnyohio

And then the simpleton gets all upset about the new taxes he has to pay, talks shit about the gov while on the phone, gets labelled a terrorist, and gets shipped off to a prison without due process. Oh wait, that can't happen because stuff like that can't possibly happen in these modern times (sarcasm).

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The Mac

you can put that right up there with Goodwins law, as any irritating liberal lemming in a similar conversation will inevitably bring up Nazis...

trees though the forest....

same liberal nonsense, different issue....

There is a reason why Goodwin's law is a meme, and yours isnt...

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Nimrod

So your saying the Bill of Rights is liberal trash? Maybe I will inform the FBI that you are discussing anti american rhetoric and that you should be put on a watch list since you might want to over throw the government.

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Biceps

Yeah, I'm the lemming....

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The Mac

I'm glad you can admit it.

most cant.

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John Pombrio

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
The Wired article named above (right now it is back on the front page) spelled out last year HOW and WHERE the No Such Agency collects this vast amount of data.
It is not the ordinary citizen that makes this scary. Imagine Richard Nixon trying to find dirt on George McGovern for the 1972 election. No need for "Watergate" break-in. Just call up the NSA head and ask for information. After all, the President appoints the chief of the agency. Find the phone records and a mistress or two, and Bob's your uncle.
It's not ME I am worried about. It's the government being able to mess with anyone they want to target without any consequences or control. J. Edgar Hoover would have loved to have this information.
EDIT: Heh, Slate has an article on their website with a title "J. Edgar Hoover would have loved PRISM". I saw this after my post here.

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MrHasselblad

Most of the Wired article is flawed.

Wake up boys and girls... The NSA has been the largest government intelligence agency for quite some time now. The NSA has also been widely monitoring vast amounts of information on americans for well over ten years now.

Has anyone ever read (or watched) The Shadow Factory; in which it clearly shows (even back then) how the NSA set up "secured access rooms" in **numerous** Verizon call/switching centers - by splicing into and then making a mirror image of ALL traffic?

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HiGHRoLLeR038

Logan's gonna have a field day with this on The Tek

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steven4570

This...And he definitely did!

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Mungo

Let get real, people.

Unless you're a criminal or a terrorist , the US government is not spying on you because frankly, you're just not that interesting.

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jonnyohio

"Terrorist" is a label we put on someone in order to take away their rights. I'm sure with a little effort we can suspect you as one and then if we don't like you we can go ahead and slap a label on you so we can get rid of you. At the very least we can turn you into a criminal. We just need to make more laws and spy on you....eventually you will break a law.

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Biceps

Mungo, you are a fool.

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big_montana

You need to watch the movie Enemy of the State as it is a tangible reminder of government overreach.

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tony2tonez

What a dope.

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ScytheNoire

Only $20 Million? Considering how much money is spent on military, this is a bargain.

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Biceps

This is the very definition of the Thought Police. So sick. Any lawmaker who voted to continue this is an anti-American POS. There is a petition on whitehouse.gov, not that our ultra-corrupt president actually cares.

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