NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Leaves Hong Kong for Moscow with the Help of WikiLeaks

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mh15216

I agree with you 100%. I just hate that people either are, or pretend to be shocked when this stuff comes to light. I guess people still want to believe they aren't being treated the way they've been being treated for decades now? I just don't understand if it's pride or fear that causes people to get aggressive and mean/violent when the obvious is brought to light and they're incapable of coping with things we've all quite certainly known for years/decades.

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MaximumMike

Look at it this way. A man's wife has been cheating on him for years. He strongly suspects that it is going on. She does little to hide it and he clearly sees all the signs. He has little reason to doubt, though he cannot be 100% certain. Then one day he comes home early and catches her in the bed with the other man.

Would you expect his reaction to be, "Hi honey, I'm home. There's some dishes in the sink. I'm going to take a shower and then a short nap?" Or would you expect that there might be some outrage, even though he pretty much knew it was going on for years?

I think this is the kind of outrage you're seeing now. The American people aren't so naive as to believe the Federal government never spies on them. But its a lot like walking in on your wife with another man. You can't really let it go at that point. The covenant has clearly been violated and something has to change. Things can no longer continue as they have.

Sadly, in this case there likely aren't enough dissenting Americans to make a difference. Things likely will continue along just as they have and undoubtedly get worse. But why be surprised or irritated at those who dissent. I'm irritated at those who don't. I'm irritated that my neighbors don't mind giving away my rights along with their own.

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The Mac

Because no one gives a damn.

What you are discribing is a Cuckold.

If your wife is ugly, but puts a shitload of bacon on the table, and allows you to buy your favorite toys, you wouldn't give a damn either.

lol

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MaximumMike

Funny, but I'll make my own analogies thank you. In this analogy the wife is beautiful beyond compare and the husband entered marriage with the expectation that his wife would fulfill her vows. Also, the wife stays at home and the husband is the breadwinner. Only a worthless wimp wouldn't be outraged in that scenario.

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The Mac

have you looked around lately?

most people in this country are worthless wimps.

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MaximumMike

>>most people in this country are worthless wimps.

That's one statement we agree on.

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NavarWynn

Except those of us who already voluntarily sacrificed our lifestyles, our 'freedom' (for our term of enlistment anyway), and our blood to fight for what we thought was our freedoms and our constitution... how naive we were.

So now, the government makes our service meaningless by tossing out any adherence to the 'constitution', and the rule of law... sigh.

Just because you are to cowardly for fight for your beliefs, doesn't mean everyone is (though your point certainly applies to many if not most Americans ;-) ).

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kerndaddy

you're projecting yourself on to others guy. a trait commonly exhibited by those who lack enough wisdom to understand that they don't speak for everybody, or know what everybody will do in a given situation.

and who said anything about expecting "everybody" to play by the constitutions rules? I do expect our GOVERNMENT to play by our constitutions rules. and when our government doesn't obey the supreme law of our land, but violates our God given constitutionally protected rights on a regular basis, using whatever excuse, they become a tyrannical regime that needs to be abolished.

how any American could disagree with that is beyond me. but I guess it is important to remember that even in our revolution many americans sided with the tyrants.

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kerndaddy

chuck schumer has said there will be serious consequences for Russia if they don't hand him over. which proves he's an idiot.

anybody that dislikes Edward snowden agrees with the likes of Lindsey graham, hillary clinton, john McCain, and chuck schumer. which proves THEY are idiots.

putin should rub it in their face by letting snowden wear bob kraft's super bowl ring on camera. he would gain ten thousand cool points.

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MaximumMike

If you needed proof Chuck Schumer is an idiot...

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kerndaddy

true, but not only an idiot, a traitor too. the greatest traitor in America calling an American a traitor. he needs to be shipped to the country that he actually owes his allegiance to.

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MaximumMike

The UN isn't a country yet.

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warptek2010

I fully agree with your comments on the cabal of idiots you mentioned. There are more but those four will suffice for now. Meanwhile, Hong Kong basically told the U.S. to "blow it out your ass". Gotta love it.

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kerndaddy

yes sir, Hong Kong is ok by me. it would seem that the spirit of Tiananmen is still alive and well there. defenders of liberty are our allies wherever they may be.

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pastorbob

How about a petition supporting sending an assassination team to take him out? I'd sign that.

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mh15216

In Hiroshima the US detonated "Little Boy" a 13 kiloton nuclear warhead. It spewed 4.4 miles of fire leveling 69% of Hiroshima's buildings, and causing 140,000 casualties. In contrast, on October 30th, 1961 Russia detonated the "Tsar Bomba." To date, Russia holds the record for largest ever nuclear detonation with the Tsar Bomba. The Tsar Bomba was a 50 MEGATON nuclear device. (I'll do the math for you, that's more than 3,846 times as powerful as our nuclear device that wiped 140,000 people off the face of the Earth in a few seconds) Now remind me, how you want to gather a petition to illegally invade Russia and assassinate someone who is now probably their most highly valued asset in the counter-intelligence field.

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mh15216

Ya troll much? Or you just some special brand of stupid?

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pastorbob

No, I don't usually troll. But given the comments that I often see on this site, I think being called "some special brand of stupid" is a compliment.

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pastorbob

I really don't feel that way. But in a moment of boredom I posted an outrageous remark just to find out how many couldn't resist the opportunity to respond with righteous indignation.

Thanks everybody! You didn't let me down. :-)

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warptek2010

I'd support the government men in black coming to your house in the middle of the night and make Pastorbob disappear without a trace.

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AFDozerman

Sounds like a perfect chance for Delta to really stick it to those damn SEALs.

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dgrmouse

Pastorbob said, "How about a petition supporting sending an assassination team to take him out? I'd sign that."

I'm having great difficulty reconciling your name with your statements. It's actually a pretty disgusting opinion.

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pastorbob

I agree => dgrmouse

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WarpathPS

We already have secret courts, secret prisons, secret laws coming from bureaus who are unelected leaders, and the liberal media who waits for permission to report stories hence Snowden leaked his info to the GuardianUK and not a U.S. outlet. You want secret assassinations now too?

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pastorbob

Hmmmm, do you honestly believe it doesn't already happen? And hasn't for many years?

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John Pombrio

"Legally secure transport" with an invalid passport from CHINA? I don't think so.

Wikileaks also has an alternative motive. Snowden admitted to handing over thousands of documents. The Washington Post and The UK guardian decided only to publish 5 of the 41 slides from that one presentation alone out of all that treasure trove (Snowden wanted all 41 slides to be published by the newspapers). If anyone would release the other information, it will be Wikileaks.
If just 5 slides caused all this furor and the newspapers found the other information too hot to publish, this story is not over by a long shot.

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AFDozerman

Unfortunately, I believe a more probable scenario is that the other slides are filled with mundane peripheral information that was deemed too boring to publish.

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John Pombrio

Donno. The last slide that was reluctantly published was the most interesting and had several parts that were redacted to prevent knowing where else in the world NSA have their data gathering stations. If they were innocuous slides, there would have been no reason NOT to publish them and let the news reports pick up what they found was the whiz bangers among them. No, those slides were withheld because they could have led to some serious shit going down on the publishers.

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Neufeldt2002

I would imagine that every government in the world with the exception of the US is looking to migrate any Windows systems to Linux.

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tony2tonez

It doesn't matter what os you use. It's one you connect to the www that tracking and following begins

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AFDozerman

Pfft. FreeBSD is where it's at if you want security.

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