New Windows 8 Blue Leak Confirms Additional Features

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hrbuchanan

Look, I'm an enthusiast, but I'm also a desktop/network technician in a diverse University setting. I get why people don't like Windows 8, and there's nothing I can say that will make you think you're wrong for dismissing it. And you're not, necessarily. However, you can't tell me that I'm wrong for loving it, either.

Any common tasks I need in Windows can be handled via keystrokes and run commands. If I need to get to an application in Windows 8, I can just use Win+W, start typing what I want, and press enter. When I log into my work computer, the start screen comes up, I click on my email client, and it takes me right to the desktop with my email right where I want it. Windows 8 is faster, more secure, more stable, and has a much faster boot time than 7 did. Deploying Windows 8 across a network is WAY faster than in previous OS versions, as the entire installation process takes less than 10 minutes, even on a slow-as-hell HDD. As far as I'm concerned, it's awesome.

However, I'm recommending that our users use their downgrade rights to install Windows 7 after purchasing new OS licenses, because they prefer to use what they already understand. Maybe I'll change that recommendation if enough users like the Boot-to-Desktop and Start Button features in Blue.

But the point is: YOU'RE NOT OBJECTIVELY RIGHT. You're just subjectively opinionated. This is NOT another Vista, because it's just DIFFERENT. It's not slow, not unstable, not incompatible. In fact, on all 3 of those fronts, it's the best OS Microsoft has released so far.

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maxeeemum

So you just signed up with MaxPC to tell us W8 is the best M$ OS ever.

LOL!

Shouldn't your comment start with "Look, I'm a Microsoft employee".

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Ghost XFX

A Start button without the Start Menu.... BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

Isn't that like buying a '13 Vette without an engine?

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Mikey109105

Is one of the features removing Windows 8 from existance? No? Well then, in that case, I'm not interested!

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Engelsstaub

When I build a new gaming PC this summer I'm going to put Windows 8 on it. I haven't had a problem with it at all when I've messed around with it. It took some getting used to when it was in RC, but if I really miss the Start button I can just get a third-party one.

I'm on OS X most of the time and I'm happily used to using keyboard shortcuts to do everything. Same with the Metro tiles...one shortcut and gone. IDC. It boots fast and does what I would expect it to do. No hate from me. OS X Lion and MtLion added "features" and bloat that I didn't necessarily appreciate. (Seriously: SnoLeo is the shit!) None of the "features" get in my way nor do they disrupt my workflow. There's a stupid iOS-like launch screen that I never see because I don't need or use it. (That's one thing I dislike about Windows: having icons all over half of my desktop.)

Both Windows and OS X are proprietary OSes. While MS and Apple can benefit from customer feedback they can't please everyone. They market a product as-is and owe nobody anything. We have choice: it's the choice to use something else if we're not satisfied. If I got really upset (and this is me...YMMV) I would just try to use Ubuntu, Mint, or a customized Debian-based Linux distro (since FreeBSD has jack for software) as my primary OS. Boot into Windows for what little if any I needed it anymore. ...for now it's not like Win 7 is just going to go away soon anyway.

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PCLinuxguy

sounds like me. my gaming rig will probably be running dual 500GB western digitals, one for Win8 and the other for Linux and game back and forth. either that or a pair of 1TBs. one split for a dual boot from a single drive and the second for internal storage/backups

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Engelsstaub

Yep. The more games we can get on Linux the more we can ween off the Windows partition. Don't get me wrong: I don't hate Windows. I just prefer Unix and rocking three OSes full-time is getting a bit out of hand. (I would always keep Windows around for occasional use and to stay somewhat familiar and competent with it.)

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RtDK

Okay, MS, this is what you do: Your OS contains two completely separate "modes"--a desktop mode, which is basically Win7 in form and function. Has nothing to do with "Metro", has the Start menu, everything a good Windows fan could ever want. Furthermore, if you're running a tablet, and connect a keyboard and/or mouse, it goes from "Metro" to the full-fledged desktop.

On the other side of the coin, for computers that can "transform" into a tablet, back to a laptop, and back again, or just for tablets in general, you have the "Metro" interface. As much as people complain about it, you guys do have a good touchscreen setup on that side of things. The icons are big and easy to manipulate with your fingers, etc.

So, give people the best of both worlds, okay? Use your frickin' thinkers for a change. I don't know what Ballmer's got you all smoking around the corporate fire, but shit-can him already and get back to making something that makes sense, please.

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yakmayar

I simply do not like any icons/files/programs/etc. on my desktop. I enjoy the various wallpapers I have on my monitors and the drop down rocketdock that has all the programs I use frequently. If I don't use them frequently, I type the name in the search bar quickly and I'm good.

I have not used Windows 8 and would probably be fine with most of it. But I do not like the idea of having icons spread throughout the screen. It is something that drives me nuts on my smartphone.

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PCLinuxguy

the hate on Win 8 reminds me of when Win95 or Vista launched.. the drastic shift in how the new version looked compared to what the masses were used to. Complaints about W8 not having aero? Odd since the same people complained that they didn't want aero back when it first came out in vista (cosmetics, not performance) or when Win95 came out with the taskbar and start button compared to a folder on the desktop that had everything inside it (windows 3.1) anytime that there's been a big change, people complain and then once they adapt, scoff at the older versions like "why did I use that old crap?" once the 'new' UI becomes the widely used norm.

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Paper Jam

I think Win8 is a little more drastic change than you are implying. I see it as the beginning of the end of true Windows. Soon the desktop, multiple windows on screen at the same time, and installing programs outside of the Store will all be phased out in favor of the "Modern" UI. It's the only way to have the same interface on a smartphone, tablet, livingroom TV, and desktop. And that is the goal of this. To get customers to buy into the mobile platform by starting them off on the TV and the desktop.

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Granite

Again, I think you are being short-sighted. The Modern UI can span the whole market, while devices with the horsepower can also run a desktop. We see this now. Some tablets, laptops and desktops have both ui's. Phones and some tablets only have Modern UI. Why would you think this would not work?

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Paper Jam

It's not that I don't think it will work. It's more that I think MS is jealous of Apple's walled garden and want that for Windows. MS has been berated for things like security while Apple has been praised and locking down their platform will bring them closer to an Apple-like state. And then they can reap the benefits of profiting from all software sold, and have much more control in choosing what can and cannot be installed. Just killing the desktop wholesale will make this transition less confusing to customers that may think that because the OS is called Windows, and because Windows has always been backwards compatible, that they can bring their old software with them when migrating to the latest version. MS wants the name recognition of Windows, but need to kill features of Windows.

I think it would work, I just don't think MS will want it to.

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PCLinuxguy

"I think Win8 is a little more drastic change than you are implying" you're right, it is. I was just going by the older changes that made big waves upon release, but Windows 8 is so far the biggest to date. However, I've been using it for a while and not had issues, but everyone's mileage varies. At first I was skeptical too, but found it to be not much different than 7 aside from the tablet start menu and the lack of codecs for DVD playback. (downloading VLC fixed that) so far so good for my end of things. You bring up good points, but I hope that MS does not come to implement what you're describing. On the upside there's always alternatives :-)

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BRKKAB

I've basically had no problem's with Windows 8 Pro on my non-touch desktop p.c. With Stardock's Start8 and Decor8 8 is fine. Yes, there are area's M.S. need's to fix.1.Modern I.E & Desktop I.E. need the same feature's. A.I. Roboform and all password manager's need to work and display themselve's in both version's. Internet Security Suite's toolbar that color code safe/bad/questionable site's need to work in both.2.M.S.'s own desktop and modern program's need to communicate with each other and share setting's.3.Task Manger need's to be able to display history for desktop software, too.4.Work with Stardock and give customer's free key's for their Windows 8 specific tool's.5.Either give Xbox Music/Videos things like W.M.P. (equalizer volume control, etc.) ) or kill them off and update/modernize both W.M.C. and W.M.P.

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Xenite

A start button without a start menu? *sigh*

Seriously can they PLEASE hurry the hell up a fire Balmer's ass already.

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drevas

If the start Button doesn't give you a Start Menu, then what is the point?

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Faixman

They Seem to be working on first mover advantage :) Everything leaked is intentional. So they can ultimately see how people will respond to these leaked features and will decide on the kind of response.

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Nastyman

All Microsoft had to do when you installed the Windows 8 OS is give you the option of using Metro or the old Win7 interface with Aero and this article would have never been written.

Everyone would have been happy with their new OS....but no...they want to OWN you like Mac does. You must buy all software from them and only them...putting a LOT of software writers out of work and costing you a bundle of money. When are you young people going to wake up and actually think a little bit? Personally I love FREEDOM OF CHOICE and I am willing to do anything to keep it. A lot of people have died for that cause and you young folks are willing to just toss it out...what a shame. Wake up before it is to late...

Nasty

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ahamling27

The irony in your statement is that Windows 8 was made by the "older" people, who you seem to think should know better than the "young" people that buy into it. So who's really at fault? The "young" people aren't the ones making the big decisions at Microsoft...

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Granite

I actually use a lot of freeware on Win8 and I haven't bought a thing from MS...except Win8.

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NavarWynn

Aside from the actual security problems MS *software* seems to have, these 'leaks' almost certainly are NOT unintentional, nor unapproved by MS head honchos. This seems pretty coordinated, and allows MS to continue creating buzz about blue.

I have the feeling that they are gauging the response to these 'features', as they add them in. This is a whole lot cheaper (and more effective) than making a whole big hoopla over blue, only to find it DOA (also) because it doesn't actually do snot crap. Better to do some crap, 'leak' it, gauge a reaction, maybe add some more crap, 'leak' it, gauge a reaction... repeat. No, I get the feeling that MS is paying very close attention to the responses to these 'leaked' builds...

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maxeeemum

Sounds like more of the same! Another Microsoft marketing stunt! Basically minor tweaks to fool the naive that Win8 was changed. Looks like Windows 8 is heading for a bigger failure than Vista. In fact I'd rather use Vista SP2!

If you want to fix W8 just install Windows 7. It's the only cure!

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Granite

First, you Win8 haters ask for minor tweaks to "fix" what's wrong with it. Then, you complain that MS is making minor tweaks.

LOL!!! Too funny!

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maxeeemum

@ Granite

First I have to say you M$ sheep who blindly love everything M$ make me laugh. You see us so called "haters" don't want tweaks to Win8 we want a major overhaul. We want a desktop edition and not the tablet/touchscreen/striped down version made to run on a low powered anything that Win8 is. Lets start with the ability to remove "Metro" completely. But the list is just too long to go on!!!!!!!!!!

M$ is trying to follow the Apple playbook but the facts are that Windows 8 sales are worse than Vista . What Microsoft doesn't understand is "PC users are not Apple sheep"!

Now it's time to accept (grow up) that your opinion (love) of Win8 is in the minority.

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FireGarden

I've read most of your comments on this. You're strange. Everybody has to share your opinion? Lot's of people here are of the same opinion with Windows 8. If MS listened, rather than ploughing on regardless, there wouldn't be an issue. We're not hating Windows 8 for the sake of hating something. Innovation is good, and if MS want to load Metro with Windows 8 - then fine. But give us the choice and make it easy. I'm sure there are plenty of novice computer users that will love Metro. So if that's what you love - knock yourself out.

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Granite

You are right. Win8 IS innovation. And you DO have a choice. You don't like what MS is doing? Get something else.

But you should really grow up and quit whining.

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FireGarden

Are you deliberately ignoring what people are saying? You don't seem to be able to grasp the complaints. Yes, you can do some of the stuff you say - but MS has made it harder than it needs to. That's the point. Imagine if Ford started selling cars where you had to sing a Britney Spears song (in full) before you could open the door. That's the issue - admittedly exaggerated.

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Rift2

I hope this happens........the Start button I don't have Windows 8 because of it......I want my Wallpaper and my start button like I like my crack. I also want Camelot Unchained to happen through kickstarter =) It's going to be a good game trust me =)

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Kargg

I've been using Win 8 for about a month now--and really like it. As far as the Start Button goes, if you think about it, the Start screen actually IS the Start button--just blown up to screen size. You can do anything on the Start screen that you could previously on the Start button--and actually more.
Didn't think I'd like it when I first got it, but got to where I like it more than the Start button.

Besides, you're going to be on the desktop more than the Start screen anyway. All you basically do on the Start screen is to go to whatever program or feature that you would have on the Start button anyway.

Plus, you can reorganize the Start screen more than you could the Start button. You can put the icons into categories that you want, instead of sticking to what Microsoft wants. It makes it easier to find things than on the Start button. Now, instead of taking 4-5 clicks to get to where you want to be, you can have it set up so that it only takes you one click--or two at most.

The reason people hate the Start screen is mostly because of the change. No offense meant, but the reason people hate it is because they don't like change.

Also, in order to get to the "all apps" screen, that will also give you more than just a listing of them, right-click on the Start screen anywhere and in the lower left-hand corner will be an icon labeled "All Apps". Click on it, and there you go!

Give it a chance--I think after time, you'll like it!

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drevas

I have a Toshiba Laptop with Win8, and I didn't care for it until I installed Classic Shell. I like the under the hood improvements, but I like wallpaper, I hate a cluttered screen and never have been a fan of Desktop Icons, much less something like Metro. It's just obvious at this point that too many people don't like it, even if some do.
MS needs to rethink what they're doing, or Win8 will be the next Vista, even if it doesn't HAVE to be.

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Formedras

You worded the first sentence really badly. Pretty sure you didn't intend on saying that you're ok with poor security of Windows itself, or of their services like SkyDrive and Azure. But that came to mind even before the likely actual intent, that Microsoft has barely fewer news leaks than your average game company. (Odd, considering they're also a game company.)

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Paper Jam

Bringing back the button and giving us a boot to desktop option, if really coming at all, would just be damage control by MS. Basically them trying to appease those of us vocally opposed to the Metro UI. But multiple windows open on screen at the same time, installing programs outside of the Windows Store, and the desktop are all being phased out. 8 is just the beginning. In order to have one UI on consoles, smartphones/tablets, and desktops/laptops, these features of Windows past must go away. And since Windows has dominated desktops and laptops for at least 20 years, we will be obliged to accept whatever direction they choose to take Windows. At least until a viable alternative becomes available to threaten that dominance. Unfortunately, nothing mainstream has presented itself thus far.

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Granite

So...when MS makes these changes, what will the MS haters have to talk about?

Oh, wait...MS isn't bringing back Aero. That's a deal breaker, for sure.

I can hear it now: "Why don't they give us a choice if we want Aero or not?" "Damned MS...they took away my Aero. Why are they shoving things down my throat?"

LOL!!! MS haters are so funny!!

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vkt62

The problem was not just with the start button. You can't use multiple apps the same way as you would on the desktop. Multitasking in Metro is terrible on a single monitor. Apps and desktop software are not integrated and you have two versions of everything installed (example skype app and desktop version and the desktop skype has much more functionality. Photo viewer, music player, etc). Right now if I want to shut down Win8, I always alt+F4 on the desktop just to avoid going through multiple screens. The start button was just the most obvious thing that ended up taking most of the blame. All these other problem ended up nagging the user enough that he got annoyed with Windows 8. I would love it if these issues were fixed. If in the future MS went the Metro way but with a folder browser, excellent multitasking and interface and an option to install any software or files you want without having to go through the store for everything, I am sure not many people will have a problem with it.

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Granite

Multiple apps.
Who cares? You want to multitask, go to desktop mode and multitask to your heart's content.
Modern UI and desktop apps not integrated.
Again...who cares? Pick the one that works best for you and run with it.
Shut down.
I suspect you used the same alt+F4 in Win7...rather than having to click the start button and click another button. Also, it is really easy to set a tile or set a desktop icon to shut down with one click.
Is all that too complicated for you?

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Paper Jam

Who cares? Apparently he cares.

I see you didn't bother to address my post to you. Are you employed by MS?

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Granite

If he has a problem with not being able to multitask in Modern UI, then he doesn't know what Modern UI is for.

He's caring about the wrong thing.

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Paper Jam

And when Windows 9 or 10 comes and the desktop is completely gone in favor of the "Modern" UI, how will MS fans justify the loss of features like having multiple windows open on screen at the same time, drag and drop, installing programs outside of the Windows Store, etc.? This is the direction MS is heading. In order to achieve the goal of a unified UI across all platforms, it can be no other way.

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Granite

I seriously don't think the desktop will be gone by Win9 or 10. And by the time it IS gone...you won't need it anymore.

Let not your heart be troubled.

btw, I think a person who says, "It can be no other way", is being shortsighted.

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Paper Jam

Maybe I am being a little short sighted, but you have to admit what MS has done to Windows has to be for the benefit of their mobile strategy. When you start Windows you are greeted with what is by its nature a touch friendly interface. Then, if you so choose, you can go to the desktop for the more familiar experience. But you can also choose to live in the touch optimized environment. But if you use your desktop for more than just consumption, and by that I mean that you use your desktop for work and not just social media, multimedia, email, etc..., then the Modern UI is not as functional and is more akin to a tablet or smartphone experience. What worries me is that this environment is suited to the Xbox, tablets, and smartphones, and it looks like, to me at least, that MS is more worried about catering to this emerging market than they are to enterprise, business, and the home enthusiast. I just feel like the desktop is gone in near future releases of Windows because Google and Apple are making a lot of money without it. And of course because analyst are constantly calling the desktop dead and declaring tablets the future.

When MS brings true multitasking and multiple windows on the same screen to the Metro UI, then I will be able to look forward to a time when the desktop is gone. Aero and the Start button can go, and I won't miss them. But the desktop and windows (plural) is Windows. Metro/Modern is something else. MS might have gotten less kickback if they had just named it Surface OS and made the transition a little more gradual. But that's just my two cents.

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Vano

Windows 8 should have been named "Tiles 1.0".

Modern UI is an insult to the name "Windows".

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Baer

Win 8 works for me and it has some nice features but I have no plans to put it on my non touch desktop or on any of the computers in my office (touch makes no sense for multi monitor set ups that are a few feet away) however, with the start button returned and being able to set it to boot to desktop I will reconsider.
I can use Win 8 fine but I am so tired of hearing employees and clients complain.
I think those few concessions would help settle the hate down some. Those that love it the way it is can still boot to the start screen if they wish.
I hoe that they do that and realize that most of us are not iKiddies and that to keep our loyalty they have to listen to us.

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TheMissingPiece

Booting to the desktop should be a no-brainer. Start Menu return? I want to believe....

If both booting to menu and start menu are re-implemented into Windows, won't that kill "Modern UI," and therefore break the ugly bridge between MS's mobile and desktop ecosystems? I can't see it. If MS finds a way to bring back these old Windows features while still bridging the gap between the two ecosystems, then MS has a chance.

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PDX-1337

It's not a Start Menu, it seems like it will just be a Start Button, that will bring up the Start Screen, just like hitting the Windows button on the keyboard.

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Jetflint86

Can someone explain to me what the big deal is? I upgraded my laptop to Windows 8 a couple months back because it was just plain affordable. $15 since I was a late adopter in fact. Making sure to clone my hard-drive in case I wanted to revert back first. I have not regretted upgrading it one bit.

I personally love how the Start button isn't cramming up my "start bar" along with my other quick launch icons. One (mouse) swipe to the bottom left corner brings the start hover window. Then click that and it brings up apps on the start window. Right-click the bottom corner of that screen and click All Apps. Bingo- bango.

The start-up thing... I prefer it going to that screen. It shows my weather, news ticker, and shortcuts to all my most used apps. Since I set them to be there. The desktop is just one click off of that screen.

The ONLY thing I haven't liked about Windows 8 is how pictures pop up in a full screen mode instead of a windowed picture gallery. I normally just open them up in Paint if I want to look quickly at them. Which in itself is a very minor inconvenience.

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Cregan89

I can understand the complaints about the lack of a Start Menu in Windows 8 (although I would argue that the Start Screen includes all of the same capabilities as the Start Menu but implemented better), but I don't understand the complaints about the lack of the Start Button itself?

Besides the fact that it isn't very obvious to a first time user, once you find the hidden Start Corner, it's exactly the same as the Start Button but significantly easier and quicker to click. Instead of having to perform a finesse mouse pointer placement on a button, you just slam your mouse pointer into the bottom left corner. It's actually one of my favourite features of Windows 8. It's just that little bit quicker to traverse through the UI, and opens up an extra spot to pin an app to the task bar.

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PCWolf

I Don't think that Having it fill my entire screen every time I boot up is being "Implemented Better" as you say. Windows 8 has proven to be unpopular. It's poor reception & the fact that it's not a Success for MS is more than enough proof that Windows 8 lovers like you are a Minority. But if you enjoy Windows 8 & it works for you, then by all means, Enjoy it. Why do you care if those like me hate it? And why continue trying to convince us of how great the UI is? Windows 8 does not offer me anything I need. I like CHOICE. Windows 8 gives me NONE. If I did not want Choice, I would have purchased a Mac.

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AFDozerman

Most people aren't upgrading because there isn't a huge push to upgrade. Seven, unlike Vista, actually WORKS. So far as implemented better, it is much easier to click on a live tile than a list like on windows and easier to remember where I "left" something. I agree though, a choice to disable metro if you don't like it would have probably been nice.

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cc3d

I think the only people crying about the windows 8 UI are the enthusiasts. I know many people (casual users) that have Windows 8 and when I have asked about their experience, they say good things and never cry about the start menu being gone. There are many more casual users than enthusiasts, so who made the mistake?

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