New Hard Drives May Force XP Users to Upgrade to 7

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Mach9

Western Digital is having all kinds of problems with these drives using the Advanced Format system, and they are not limited to users of XP.

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/popup_adp.php?p_faqid=1529&p_created=1174506202

Microsoft is working on SP1 for Vista users, and reminding XP users that their operating system will no longer be supported soon.

The drives work quite well, I was able to clone a system drive partition in about three minutes.  Once you use them for normal use however, all your energy saving garbage (whoops, I mean "features") kicks in, which adds multi-layers of opportunities for failures -- usually because the operating system thinks the hard drive just died because something stopped spinning.

I'm not advocating wasting energy use, but there are some things worth making sure they work right before they go out the lab door.  I bought one of the Western Digital drives that was on sale yesterday, and I didn't notice any warnings for XP users, or Vista users.  

I'm not convinced their explanation of why these drives are giving XP users a hard time are really that simple.  I'm playing with setting up a linux first partition, and if I was any good at math, I could probably set up the i-nodes and cluster size so that any partitions that follow that first partition, would be "aligned" if that is really the problem.

Not sure how XP handles booting from a second partition made active, I made partion number 1 a linux ext3 partition and a size of 10 mb.  Maybe someone else who has more experience can offer the right combination of cluster size and i-node space for a first partition that would "align" the drive for XP.

I'm not making money hand over fist, so to buy Windows 7 just so I can use a hard drive doesn't make sense to me, unless I could update all the other software I use. Eventually I will upgrade, but I want to do it on my time, or when the old stuff stops working.  Yeah, I could buy Ultimate 7 and run my XP programs - for $300.  Ouch.  That's a nice lawn mower. Flush  my car transmission fluid, or buy software?  Enie, Minie, Miny, Moe?  What ever happened to mass production lines making things cheaper, and $40 software?  No reply necessary or expected.

I installed the WD drive as instructed, with the jumper pin in place, and started copying some files from another hard drive to test it, copying one partion to a folder on the drive.  The first partition, no problem.  The second partition to another folder - the files copied, but then were invisible.  Right clicking the drive properties showed that I had used the drive space, but the files were no where to be found.  Not even going to figure that one out, erased the drive (5.5 hours) and started over.

I'll do a few more tests, and might just use it for backup.   I could install a Linux file server, but what's the point with living with ethernet file transfer speeds?  It's easier to hot swap smaller drives than put up with all these time wasting efforts.

I'm not going to download software to format my drives, since there is too much risk of formatting your hard drive with a root kit or some other malware in place.

I bought one of the first Raptor drives when they came out, it lasted weeks, not years.  I also bought one of those hybrid power connection featured WD SATA drives, and while it works well today, I never could keep an operating system on it because of anomalies and system crashes that only occur when I use that drive, so I suspect it was some hidden feature of WD, and not my software.

If it stops working, I'll throw it in the trash rather than RMA it.  I'm not going to put my personal information on a hard drive and then send it for repairs, that only encourages them to make things that fail.  Hmmm, hard disk utility test, been working for the last 30 minutes, was supposed to only last 15 minutes, and it's on stage one of four.

Maybe someone can explain how booting from a second partition made active, with a linux partition in front of it, can line everything up right (I'm using the partition with 4K clusters in XP).  Disappointing, you get excited by the price, and the new technology, and then you get to be the first one to deal with the bugs.....

Other than that, its a great drive, double the speeds I am used to in Linux, just don't know how dependable this drive is yet.  I think  I just have to configure it to work right or really limit its use.  I suspect a lot of people might not want to fool with it, and then RMA them with complaints on the bulletin boards, which could explain the cheap prices.  People buying these for external storage are not going to be happy, and frankly, the "alignment" problem sounds like fish that has been out of the water too long, and not some technical problem, in my humble opinion. They could preformat the drive with a first partition that is only a few megabytes in size that could act as a space holder to line everything up?

Microsoft should be releasing updates to the operating systems soon.

 

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Lhot

 ....from Max PC themselves.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0%2C3

It looks to me like Win XP  opened a can of whoop *ss on Win 7.   From these benchmarks it would seem that other than move all the settings around and steal apples task bar....the ONLY thing Win 7 has improved is the network stack.

To me...that just ain't worth the time or upgrades.

Btw...everyone said how great Vista was too, when it came out.  This is just more MS cr*ap to force ppl to buy Win 7....in 2-3 years the articles on Max PC will be about class action lawsuits....again....against MS for the very same business practices.

Even some of the benefits that Win 7 brings to the table seems like moving backwards to me...I LIKE having my Firewall and AV hook the kernel...especially with always on connections these days.  The user Account documents folder is about a stupid place to move these things to.   Duh, lets make it easier to hack  :/

Gee that new round start button is so much better than the nice unobstrusive one in XP :/  Win 7 is like a comic book version of XP..you can keep it   lol

 

 

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nekollx

did yu not read the article

it's a few frames, which they said "will make no real difference"

But go on keep living in your archaic home with the bad plumbing 

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Tekzel

I agree, if you just look at his signature line, you can tell the guy is completely off his rocker and nothing he says is of any value. I am not a huge fan of "the cloud", but damn, that statement is just assinine.

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Caboose

 Careful, don't feed the trolls. Especially this one...

 

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GREGORY90

GregoryDuenes      They should just make a special hdd for xp and seven and vista

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Caboose

 Oh ya, because you knoiw companies are going to just jump ALL over that! What an awesome cash cow! </sarcasm>

 

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nekollx

 I demand Win 98, 95, 3.1 and DOS Specific HDDs, i refuse to pay for all these new win xp 'features' i'll never use.

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Caboose

 I'll see your DOS specific HDD and raise you 1 12" disk

 

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gshawn60

  Hey I have a computer running 98 an other linux and a few XPs That cant be upgraded to win 7 I would like a win7 computer but I can not afford it right now so I hope them hard drive companies well keep a small selection for them dino-computers out there. Just because some thing is old does not mean its not useable.

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QuakindudeMod

Your older computers will still work with the new hard drives. They will just be slower while using them.

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Windows30

I don't know if they will keep a small selection of hard drives for the old computers. But I do know that there are ways you can get hard drives for your old computers. One thing is that you can purchase it in Ebay or get a solid-state-drive.  

There are cheap Windows 7 computers. The desktops cost as low as $329.99. I bet that your Windows 98 computer would have cost more then the $329.99. I had a Compaq desktop computer Windows 98. It cost over a $1,000. Nowdays, a Windows 7 Compaq computer with Windows 7 cost as low as $339.99. Wow! That's a big difference. The Windows 7 Compaq computer has more RAM and hard drive then the Windows 98 Compaq computer. If you buy laptops, now that is different but there are some cheap laptops. Of course, it is that there are some computers that cost over $1,000. The Windows PC that cost that much are the high performance PC. As well that the cost of $1,000 or more are the Apple Mac computers.

There are is a new kind of hard drive called Solid-State-Drives. These drives works with Windows XP and unsure about the Linux. But, it might not work with Windows 98. However, the cost of sold-state-drives are very expensive. A lot of these drives cost as much as a computer. Maybe in the next 5 or 10 years, the price may drop.

The new generation of hard drives that will be release on Jan 2011 will be faster and use less energy. Like I said that Windows Vista and Windows 7 and the next future OS called Windows 8 already supports the new hard drive standards. Most versions of Linux and Apple Snow Leopard also supports it.

You are free to use your computers up to 2012. But make sure that your computer's hard drive can last up to that long.  if you want to purchase a Windows 8 computer. There will be always on-sale or cheap Windows 8 computers, just like Windows 7. Windows 8 will be released either late next year or in around 2012. Most likely 2012.

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mdkplus

A windows 7 Compaq computer comes with Windows 7?  Is mine windows 7 lasting beyond 2012?  There are is Windows 8 will be released in around 2012? You must be tippin to the ol' Irish a wee bit there, Laddy... drop the mouse and have another round!

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Windows30

I was a bit surprised by this article. I love Windows 7! However, I have games that was old as 1998, I was be able to use it in Windows 7. I also have the Microsoft Plus! Superpack for Windows XP also worked in Windows 7. Most of my Windows XP software also does work with Windows 7.

 For those of you guys are who want to continue to use these games. Windows 7 has an XP Mode that will allow you to play those games. Also remember, when the beta version of Windows 8 shows up. Remember to submit a feedback to Microsoft so that they can make sure that those older games will work with Windows 8. Just by doing nothing and sitting there, won't help you.

I really want a powerful hard drive! I'm planning to buy a new Windows PC in around 2012. So that I can get Windows 8 along with new tech such as USB 3.0, new Bluetooth, new hard drive, new CPU, and hopefully the new PCI 3.0. That will be a huge upgrade to my current Windows 7 computer.

 I was wondering that If I have two Windows XP computers but have installed Windows 7 on those computers and install the new hard drive, does it still work?

 oh, well!

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ikleinit

You must have the  Tech Experience of a 5 year old. how can you compare an OS (win95) to the maturity of Windows XP. When XP was released, everyhing Worked. Win 95 Was a fail from day one and unusable for anything but exel and Word

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gshawn60

I do not mess with dos to much any more but even older computers are fun. Yes, it is nice to have the better computer that has the newest soft ware but it is not bad to keep a few old things around. May be we need an antique computer store for them. I am tired of paying high prices for my low pay, so I buy after I save. Yet I still have fun.

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QuakindudeMod

 I will strongly disagree with you. Windows XP had more than it's share of bugginess and compatibility issues. Windows 7 has had the fewest issues of any MS OS I can recall since Windows 3.1. 

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PhoneyVirus

Keeping Windows XP just for the old Games and if that's what its comes down to well lets go for it. We need to push upgrades like this a lot faster instead of waiting 30 years to do so, any one wants more info read the link from here and this part in Upgrading and repairing PCs 14th ED head over the Google.com/books search Upgrading and repairing PCs first book Page 602.

 

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The Relic

Myself, I have XP on a backup computer, dual-booting with my old Vista Business (my main computer happily running 7 Ultimate). And the only reason I have XP on THAT one is because I have a few old games that won't run in Vista/7.

But no biggie. If I can't use XP in the future on one of my computers because of the new HDDs, I won't sweat it. After all, progress progresses, and it will one day join the ranks of DOS and Win 3.1.

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agredon

BS...Actually, its a matter of personal preference. I had two computers with roughly the same specs. The desktop was running Windows XP Pro. SP2 and the laptop came with Windows 7 Home Premium. The Windows XP desktop was significantly faster [without all of Windows 7's bloat]. I like the jump lists, libraries, one-click for a new folder, and Aero snap. I would prefer a true split-panel file browser like KDE's Dolphin though...

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Caboose

 You were pitting a desktop PC and a laptop PC against eachother and the desktop came out on top... Surprise surprise!

You say that the specs are roughly the same. So either your desktop is running mobility parts, or the laptop is running desktop parts (I'd hate to see the heat and power requirements for that kind of laptop).

Did you wipe the laptop, and install a clean OEM/Retail copy of Win7 or just leave it as is pre-installed from when you bought it? Unless you performed a clean install on bith machines and performed the tests, I'd say it'd be biased towards one machine or another.

 

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agredon

In Windows 7, you are forced into using their new start menu (no
more classic). It is very difficult to edit items in the Windows 7
start menu. In XP, you just right-click and select. In 7, you have to
dig under layer-upon-layer of
subdirectories with heavily obsfucated names to find the start menu
folders. I'm stll at a loss as to why programs are listed
before folders in the new Start Menu. There doesn't seem to be any way
to change this.

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Jasker

Why not 8k blocks?  This all sounds gimmicky.

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dankers

the people who still have xp likely arent going to upgrade their pcs anyway. my mom still has 98. 98!

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Lhot

But I DO know that I'm still going to stick with Windows XP.....simply because it is better by a LONG shot.

For example:  I don't NEED to create a god mode folder to find the control panel settings....they are just where they are supposed to be in Windows XP.

Microsoft does NOT care about the personal consumer, and the sooner ppl realize that...the better off we will all be.

Even Service pack 3 for Win XP is a joke....the ONLY improvement after installing SP3  was slight increase in any browser speed... and a 30 second longer boot time.

If WW3 ever happens, I'll be the one going to Redmond for some payback.  We already have the hardware and software to make god-awful fast computers that are simple and intuitive to use.....the only thing holding us up is Microsoft and Intel.

If MS did NOT have the capital they have, I'm quite sure they would be shut down for bad business practices.

 

The "CLOUD" is the biggest mistake this country has made...EVER !

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Xenon752

You have got to be kidding. XP wasn't bad, but it's getting really old now. It's almost a decade old - and windows 7 has everything on it. I haven't run into one game or program that doesn't run on it aswell as XP. It's one thing to say that Macs are better that Windows, but it's another thing altogether to say that an older vesion of windows is better than the latest one.

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QuakindudeMod

 Windows XP is NOT better than Windows 7 at all. Period. First and foremost is because WinXP has been pretty horrible security wise for a long time now. I'd like to see you quantify your statements. With REAL WORLD examples. Not just because you say so. Show me some information from any reputable website.

It's one thing to detest Windows. Hell, if you don't want to learn Linux like me, then Windows really is the best game in town. But saying Windows XP is better than Windows 7 is just showing that you're resistant to change and that you don't care how ignorant you are to remain that way.

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kevaskous

Normally i would make a comment to this, but it's not worth the effort nor do i believe you'd understand any of it. Pun intended.

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Tekzel

I was going to post some rebuttles to your points, but the new spam filter wouldn't let me.

So, I will just say here that this new spam filter thing is absolute shit.

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Peanut Fox

Edit in note pad, save, copy, past.  This spam filter does suck though.

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Caboose

 Waa Waa Waa

 

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Spartacus

I agree that XP is obsolete and people need to stop building new PCs with it... but what happens if your older XP machine's HDD dies in 2012? You'll be locked out of buying a nice, faster, newer drive. And that sucks.

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QuakindudeMod

You will not be locked out of buying a new drive. It says in the article that you will be able to use the newer drives, but due to the software interface to make it appear as 512k blocks, your Windows XP machine will run slower.

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nekollx

 if your still using xp in when it's 12 years old you deserve what happens. 

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logicmaster2003

I guess its time to buy spare "current technology" harddrives for winXP fanatics.

I myself won't let go of winXP, tho I just got win7 installed (quad boot : winXP, win7 RC, win7 pro, linux 8 mint). I won't wipe out my winXP for I know it can become useful in some ways like if my win7 ever go bad or get infected.

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Caboose

 Why do you have 2 versions of Win7 installed?

 

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Cruzg10

I'll give up my XP when you take it from my cold, dead hands!!!

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nekollx

 hope you enjoy using a OS incompatible with new hardware, and that won't get any security updates from microsoft, a OS that won't have nay new games or apps developed for it, go on have fun

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logicmaster2003

it doesn't matter even if there won't be any more winXP security update. Because some percentage of people with winXP will continue to play their 100+ installed games for winXP. But I have the feeling they will eventually get win7 but will leave winXP as spare or for emergency use.

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nekollx

 Compatabiltiy mode

XP Mode

 

there goes the games argument 

 

edit: Also Steam. You can add non steam games to Steam and if they support it, free updates! 

 

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Tekzel

Uh, I am pretty darn sure that adding a non-steam game to Steam only gives you a shortcut. They don't update non-steam games, even if they have a Steam version of the same game.

Also, XP Mode is not for games, and won't likely work with games more complex than Solitare. It is a VM, and a VM that doesn't support 3D APIs.

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nekollx

 and compatability mode?

 

th point is there are /3/ methods 

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Tekzel

Well, I thought it was pretty clear that MY point was there aren't 3 methods.

Adding them to steam is only a method of launching the game, nothing more. No different than starting it through the start menu, or creating an icon on your desktop.

As I indicated, XP Mode isn't a method of running your game as it will work with almost no games.

So, you really only have 2. Run it native, or play with the compatibility mode settings. Unless the game in question is pretty old, it will probably run fine without the latter.

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Xenon752

I'm running the original Half-Life at absolutely perfect on my rig (which is Windows 7). I haven't had a single glitch or bug, and it's 12 years old.

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nekollx

 i could say the same thinkg about Police quest and AvP.

 

shoudl i have never installed XP because they only run in win 98 or Dos? 

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The Relic

System Shock 2. Will not run properly in XP without a patch (and even with that, I haven't been able to get it to run in XP). Freedom Force. I downloaded it with Steam, but it crashes in Win 7.

People will run what is comfortable for them, for whatever reason. Progress may leave them behind a bit, but I will not fault them for their choice.

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Jox

XP was a great OS...  I dual booted XP and Vista for a time, but I didn't trust Vista enough to get rid of my XP drive.  Since upgrading to 7 this past December, my XP drive has been wiped.  7 is everything Vista should have been, and with XP mode (available in the pro version or better), there's really no reason to cling to XP anymore.  The King is dead.  Long live the King.

-Jox

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Tekzel

In my opinion XP is already obsolete, and it happened about... 5 months ago now. It was great in it's time, but unfortunately, that time was extended way past the point it should have ended.

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CleverBullet

this is true.

 xp became obsolete for me once i started using the win 7 beta

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Cy-Kill

Didn't WD already come out with a HDD that supports 4K sectors, I could've sworn I read something about them doing so? 

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