Nearly Three Dozen Anonymous Members Arrested in Spain and Turkey

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Ghok

I don't support the activities of Anonymous, but these arrests will start becoming news when they actually catch someone who has stolen something or harmed someone. No matter what vague group they may or may not claim to be part of.

Not simply knocking down websites. When they do that, it's an annoyance, done on purpose to protest something, like a modern day "sit-in". It's still illegal, and if you want to make these people do some community service, fine. But the uninformed just see it as hacking, so while kids knocking down sites get arrested, the professionals doing the real hacking just keep on doing it. The public is happy watching these people get arrested for different crimes which they consider to be the same thing.

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Happy

Well put.

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MattyMattMatt

Can we honestly trust third world countries like Spain and Turkey to catch the real people. They probably just arrested people that had bots on their machines.

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Danthrax66

Can we trust ANYONE to catch the real people. No because they can't, and they shouldn't. They are exposing corruption and flaws in security at institutions that shouldn't have them. The sony hack shows just how lax Sony was about our private info, all of that info was available to people registered as "developers" for years. And all of those countries deserved to be attacked if anything they are freedom fighters fighting unjust censorship.

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Recidivist

They are stealing, using and selling peoples information. Yes, they should be arrested. I don't know what you mean by corruption, but yes, they are exposing security flaws - but you can expose security flaws without jeopardizing millions of peoples personal information.

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Happy

There is zero evidence, as far as I've heard, that LuzSec is using or selling the information they have managed to steal. Their name says it all, they're doing it for the lulz. If they wanted to do it for the money and were actually primarily thieves then they would have never called attention to themselves the way they have.

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sean.h.freeman

So, I'm kind of wondering how exactly an "organization" that supposedly has no central leadership has a PR department.  If nobody is running the show, who's authorizing the press releases eh?

And by the way, "not based on personal distinction" is total bullshit.  Seems to me like you dumbasses go after anything you don't like.  Seems pretty personal.

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Recidivist

Personal distinction means that they do not promote individuals within Anonymous as 'super' members or have a member hierarchy, and that they do not take individual credit for something. I find it amusing that you so easily jumped to calling them 'dumbasses' when you just completely failed at reading. Good job.

Secondly, there is no 'PR department'. A documented is started and anyone is allowed to make changes to it, and when everyone agrees that it is ready, it is published. Everything is done as a collective.

 

If you want to start making accusations, I would suggest you do some research and learn what the hell you are talking about first. Also, you may want to invest in some out-of-school reading tuition.

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Neufeldt2002

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that you may be an anon member?

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Recidivist

I have no affiliation with Anonymous. I agree with what they stand for but I do not actively participate an any of their ongoings. I do not go on their IRC, visit any forum/discussion boards, or partake in DDoS attacks or protests. I simply do not like the uninformed making baseless accusations towards a group that has done nothing to negatively affect them.

 

Do you not think it unfair that Anonymous is blamed for stealing your credit card info, when it was actually LulzSec? Do you not think it unfair that LulzSec get away with hacking Sony, Nintendo, CodeMasters and EpicGames (among others), while Anonymous are taking the heat for it? I do. I just hope that Bethesda are prepared, as I hear that they are the next target of LulzSec.

 

I can't edit my first reply, but 'documented' should be 'document' >:(

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Neufeldt2002

The only "hacking" I agree with, is security hacking. White hat, being paid to show the company not the world. Anything else in my opinion should be brought up on criminal charges. And no, I do not think it is unfair. As you yourself have stated, there is no head, meaning that one portion does not know what another portion is doing, therefore I completely believe that Anon is capable and probably has stolen Credit Card info. There have been reports that LulzSec members are also members of Anon.

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Danthrax66

So you mean like the White hats lulzsec hacked that then asked them to "take out" their competition. They are just another string of corrupt organizations.

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Recidivist

"There have been reports that LulzSec members are also members of Anon." It's quite possible, by why then blame the entire of Anon for what LulzSec have done, regardless of if they are members of Anon or not? That's like blaming the entire human race for the Holocaust, rather than just the Nazis, becuase we are all humans. I very much doubt that Anon, as a collective, has participated in any credit-card theft. It's possible small cells of it have, but that is down to the individuals, as the entire collective did not decide to do it. Anon knows what Anon is doing. Anon does not know what small groups of people who have met through Anon are doing. To call yourself a member of Anon, when you are participating in activies that go against what Anon is about, is like calling yourself a christian when you do not believe in God or adhere to their beliefs. It makes no sense, it is just plain wrong.

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Recidivist

Just as a quick update: My earlier concern has been confirmed. Bethesda have been hacked (by LulzSec).

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Joji

Internet censorship... well, who doesn't like internet censorship? I know friends who visited China and was unablbe to view sites like Youtube!! Damn that Great Firewall of China!! China even went extreme and blocked every single proxy they could block, even ultrasurf. D:

I guess you could say they are protesting for a good cause, but they shouldn't have gone extreme with the hacking of Sony's site and stealing and using other people's credit cards for their own entertainment. That isn't very good...

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Recidivist

"but they shouldn't have gone extreme with the hacking of Sony's site and stealing and using other people's credit cards for their own entertainment. That isn't very good."

They didn't.

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sean.h.freeman

"They didn't."

Aaaand, you know this how exactly?

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Recidivist

Hmmm, maybe because LulzSec claimed responsibility for the Sony hack (stealing user info, #CC's and tkaing it down for a month). Anonymous did the first 'hack' which was actually just a DDoS - They stole no user info or credit card numbers. If you want to cry and spread blame, atleast direct it at the right people. LulzSec are malicous asshat hackers, whereas the collective known as Anonymous only attack places for a reason, and only seem to DDoS things anyway. Stealing user info would be completely against what Anonymous stands for - DDoSing a site that is restricting freedom or being a bitch to it's customers can help 'the people', stealing their info & credit will only hinder this.

 

Try doing some research.

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Neufeldt2002

Uhm, they did admit to hacking the employees accounts and using their Credit Cards and making phone calls to them claiming they are positive for aids.

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Recidivist

“Anonymous has never been known to engage in credit-card theft,” ... “Whoever did perform the credit-card hack did so contrary to the modus operandi and intentions of Anonymous. Public support is not gained by stealing credit-card info.”

 

A statement from Anonymous regarding the accusation that they stole any credit card infomarion.

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Neufeldt2002

I can make and publish a statement that I am the King of England. Doesn't make it true.

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Recidivist

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that you are not the King of England. Especially considering that we have a queen. You cannot, however, prove that Anon have participated in credit-card theft, and there is no evidence in the first place to suggest that they have.

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Neufeldt2002

Once again, there are reports that have said they did. You cannot prove that they haven't.

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Danthrax66

Who gives a shit if they did or did not do it. The point is Sony who is trusted to keep our data safe had it stored on an open network with minimal security. And someone got paid to set that up and call it secure. That is like blaming the dog food when the dog shits on the floor.

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dalant

I lol'd at this

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Recidivist

If I set your house on fire, who's fault is it? Mine, yours, or the people that built your house out of flammable material? In my opinion, it's both mine and the people that made the house. They should have used non-flammable material, but I was the one that threw the molotov through your window. Sony's job was to provide you with a service - You expected them to store your data securely. They could have done a better job of securing it, but if the hackers are determined enough, they can always get in. You could make your windows out of steel, but I'd just get a blow torch and come back the next day.

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