Modern Warfare 2 PC Multiplayer Capped at 9v9, Says Infinity Ward
Posted 11/05/09 at 01:33:22 AM by Nathan Grayson
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When it rains, it pours. And for a game that was – a mere few weeks ago – a sure bet for nearly ever gamer on the face of the planet, the storm’s only getting bigger. See, if you’re used to the deafening chaos of Modern Warfare 1’s 32-man skirmishes, Modern Warfare 2 might strike you as a tad barren. Why? Infinity Ward’s Mackey McCandlish explained in a chat with the Best Buy community:
“The max number of players on all platforms are 1v1 through 9v9. This is the number of players we focused on when we were balancing map size, perks, classes, challenges, etc.”
Unfortunately, it would appear that nothing short of a Jedi Mind Trick will sway Infinity Ward from its current course of action. Not even a 178,000-signature petition. Infinity Ward’s Vince Zampella joined McCandlish in shooting down PC gamers’ final push.
“All I can say is that we changed it to make it a better and easier experience. Also, not all of the names on that list are legit,” said Zampella.
“402 signed it 4 times I heard,” McCandlish chimed in.
Hey readers, you guys wouldn't happen to know any Jedi, would you?
wow - they lost my money
Submitted by sunnyflorida on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 1:39pm
no dedicated servers. 9v9 cap? forget that. IW lost my money. On top of that, I will refuse to buy it for the xbox as well...
Submitted by razr90 on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 9:50pm
razr90-IT Student
The post about PC gamers getting stuck playing nothing but world of warcraft like games has a good point. Those games are heaviliy dependent on bandwith.
Now you need a good gaming rig, and at least a 10 meg internet speed.
You PC gamers need relax just a little. They are not going to stop making PC games. Borderlands is a good example. If you do some research, you will realize that Borderlands was created to be played on the PC. It was designed to give the best gameplay on the PC. Then the console.
I'm serious, do the research, read the interview with the developer.
Gaming on the PC is still better than consoles, and always will be. Just look at the hardware on a good rig. Especially when you built it.
Consoles are pretty inpressive too. We're all gamers here. I would be willing to bet that if a console gamer had the opportunity play on a high end gaming rig, they would never go back to a console. I bet some of these console gamers had a hard enough time convincing their parents to buy them a console. They would never buy them a 1000.00+ gaming rig.
We're all gamers!!
Submitted by vigilante on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 5:09pm
To be honest, until this furore about MW2 erupted, I had no idea how much difference there was between PC gaming and consoles. I'd always thought the actual playing experience was very similar albeit through different hardware. I now realise how restricted the gaming is on a console, and to be honest, I'm shocked. I've always been a pc gamer, and always will. Not that I'm belittling the console fraternity....far from it, whatever floats your boat. I also, like some others here, am not keen on a large number of players in a game, but I'll fight to protect the rights of those that do! So to say that I felt dismayed and somewhat betrayed would be a gross understatement, on learning of the full impact IW's cut-down, dumbed down and generally cynical hatchet job has had on PC gamers. I agree with a previous post, that said that if PC verson sales drop because of this, then they (IW) will feel justified in reducing support for PC games in the future......but....if sales AREN'T significally affected, they will feel that their policy of making PC games more like the console variety is paying off, and will continue along those lines........seems to be a no win situation for the PC gamer eh? However, all is not lost, because as long as other software developers continue to produce PC games then IW will see those companies begin to profit as the PC customers migrate, along with the contents of their wallets, to those that will look after their interests. I think that EA's 'Battlefield Bad Company 2' will do very well out of this debacle........time will tell, I'm certainly looking forward to buy it ASAP. In the meantime.....I hope that the dickheads at IW will live to rue the day they decided to screw PC gamers....... :-)
Submitted by Trooper_One on Tue, 11/10/2009 - 12:26pm
I lament the days from Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. Lots of players (up to 64) and defending the invading the beach. That was cool.
Oh my god no kidding!
Submitted by DBsantos77 on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 11:13am
Oh my god no kidding!
-Santos
Submitted by IFLATLINEI on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 3:13pm
This is why i stopped preordering after the release of GRiD. Then came Nascar 09, and Socom. All Jokes. Thats $180 down the drain. Well not exactly. With the $60 purchase of Socom I also recieved the best bluetooth gaming headset available. But the point is ill be hard pressed to buy any games at this point untill I know exactly what they offer and then Ill buy used. Burn me once, shame on me. Burn me twice, screw you!
Submitted by Primus2112 on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 4:42pm
I was able to cancel my pre-order! YAY!!!
After hearing of so many changes and the fact that the ability to LEAN was not included, plus the HUGE price had me thinking twice. What audacity to charge 60 dollars just because the COD franchise is so popular. Especially in these economic times...
And where is the DEMO??? Bastards.
Submitted by r3dd4wg on Fri, 11/06/2009 - 1:51pm
Looks like Blizzard is over at Infinity Ward infesting their development team. I was looking forward to Starcraft II until they removed the LAN party option. IW has done something similar by removing the dedicated servers but to cap the maps at 9x9 is BS on BS. Pat yourselves on the back, IW, because this customer is gone too. (and to raise the price to $60.00? F and U. IW actually thinks they are a brand! MORONS)
Glad I didnt order this
Submitted by Terdog on Fri, 11/06/2009 - 7:22am
Man, i am SO glad i didnt pre-order this. No proper servers. And 9 vs 9 on multi? Like, WTF?! EA has said that Bad Company 2 will have dedicated servers. So I will give that a shot. And as of now, I will not buy a Activision / Bilzzard game any longer.
Submitted by Kashamodo on Fri, 11/06/2009 - 12:36am
So is this how it ends? It seems that every single game that I buy for the PC lately is just a neutered copy of a console version. They must be making a boatload more money off the console versions to start abandoning PC gamers like they have been lately. And, if that is the case, then the trend is just going to continue. Gaming PC's do cost a boatload more than the average console, and the economy has been in the dumpster for a while now. Maybe they are just catering to what is giving them the highest profit returns(consoles), and skimping on modding the PC versions to what we have come to expect of them. If that is the case, it is truly a sad day. Just yesterday I bought Borderlands to realize that the UI is straight from the console version and they pretty much just added mouse and keyboard support(still a fun game IMHO). However, it would be nice to still play PC games that are PC games; Otherwise, they might as well just abandon the PC format and start shipping consoles with keyboards, mice, and a sticker that says, "YOU LOST, DEAL WITH IT!"
Well...
Submitted by K0BALT on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 6:08pm
After thinking long and hard, I think I'm NOT gonna cancel my preorder.... call it curiosity maybe. I'm a big fan of single player, so I think I'll get my money's worth out of that. As for the multi??? One can only hope for some miracle to happen. I've heard rumors of people creating cracks to play on dedicated servers. Not sure if that's possible or not, but I'm hoping there are some people out there that have the ability to save the PC version of this game for what it was meant to be. I'm gonna get the game and hope for the best..............Plus, when I preordered my game a long time ago, I put in a vacation day at work for the release date so I can game all day.... hehehe..... too late to back out now. Let's all keep our fingers crossed.
I canceled my pre-order
Submitted by mkarias1 on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 4:51pm
I was holding off to see if anything would change but the news just keeps getting worst. I decided to finally cancel my order. If anyone was on the Best Buy call with IW or read the transcript, that convinced me NOT to get the game. The IW guys are idiots and did not really answer the good tough questions. Plus they confirmed that the game isnt even ready. So 1 week before the release, the game is not ready. Windows 7 which is a hell of a lot more complicated was ready much longer before the release.
I am buying BF: BC2.
Submitted by gothliciouz on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 3:38pm
60.00 dollars game
no dedicated server
9v9 players..WTF
it's sad that infinity ward does no longer care about the pc gamers.
I'M CANCELING MY PREORDER!... SCREW YOU INFINITY WARD!
BYE BYE MW2
Submitted by Trever on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 3:00pm
What is up with all the Devs going to P2P and capping the MP all of them are going to fail Big time, MW 1 was a huge it guess they do not want the same results Dumb Azz
Submitted by Zachary K. on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 2:47pm
WTH! i LOVE big battles, the Xbox can do 9v9, hell i think the PSone can do 9V9!!!! is their goal to screw us as much as possable? because it would be hard to screw us more unless they send someone to our house.
Submitted by crazitrain02 on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 12:56pm
I can tell you that the majority of the EviL clan has already canceled their pre-order, and the remainder of those who were planning to buy it just decided not to.
How are 30 people supposed to play each other when you cap it at 18?!? WTF IW! Looks like you just killed the best thing that you've ever worked on.
What a rip
Submitted by aCi11i3s on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 12:45pm
I wont be buying this game now. 9v9!?!?! Lol. UT2004 was better than that, and that was ages ago. And no I'm not buying console...I've grown up now and can afford a man's toy. This is unfortunate too. I was so pumped on buying this game. Oh well, I guess I'll just roll another worthless alt in Azeroth.
Submitted by smokingranger on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 12:05pm
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mso-bidi-language:#0400;}IW ward is getting F**K*D up, what the hell, they are taking
the most anticipated game and taking out all the things that allow PC games be
better than consoles, I spent ages making a PC so I can play games on high
graphics I don’t want a consol like a 360 which occasionally Sh**s its self and
dies, along with the small games and the cost of the DL content.
I bet the reasons why we are getting low PvP games are because
IW.net isn’t going to handle it, with everyone trying to play I wouldn’t be surprised
if that goes down in the first day.
Its getting to a point where on the night before it comes
out IW is going to say you start off with a gun and you have to buy the rest,
this will help make the game more enjoyable because to have pay for guns like
in real life.
PS i dono where that stuff at the top has come from its not in the preview
Submitted by harbingercmt on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 11:31am
Infinty Ward just lost this customer. I was really looking forward to this game, but capping the PvP at 9v9 is just too much.
To tell you the truth - I'm not too bothered by this turn of events and even expected it. Ever Since the PC lost Halo - it seems publishers and developers have been chasing after the console crowd and nearly ignoring the PC as a platform. But thanks to the modding community and games with super replay value - this latest news stings much less.
OK Infinity, Activision, EA, etc. You all can go worship at the alter of consoles. As for me; I will spend my hard earned money on the developers and modding community that still care about making a good product for the PC.
Time to fire up some Theatre of War II, or maybe Counter Strike, or maybe Forgotten Hope (Battlefield II Mod)...really, there are so many :D
Submitted by Biceps on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 11:21am
Love MWF 1, but #2 is starting to look like a giant steaming pile of... #2. No touchy. I can spend $60 on something better.
Submitted by knexkid on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 10:04am
Holy shit this is a long list:
1. $60 launch price on PC
2. No dedicated servers
3. That whole You-play-as-a-terrorist-and-kill-civilians mess
4. 9v9 only??? WTF???
Pretty soon they are going to cut support for mouse and keyboard and make you use a gamepad.
Nope, keyboard only.
Submitted by jcollins on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 10:22am
Nope, keyboard only.
Modern Failfare
Submitted by nekollx on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 9:22am
Modern Failfare 2
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Submitted by binkievanes on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 9:13am
Binkie van Es , netherlands antilles
It is with sadness that I have to say that I regret now preordering the game, I will no doubt enjoy the solo game for two day's if i stretch it out, but then?? Even the roman empire came to an end, so I suppose this is curtain for COD on pc , it will be a happy memory though, like HalfLife. What will be in store for us next, If it is half as good I cannot wait to see something new, I am afraid though that us pc gamers are dinosaurs, and in 2050 we will still play counterstike for lack of anything else. I think what developers not undestand is that it is not just the game, but also the possibility to create your own hardware setup and tinker with that, we boast with game level but also with 3d score, but since a xbox 360 costs less than a top GPU who listens to us nerds. Enough said , I'm going to play another round of world at war against 20 or so maniacs
Submitted by samduhman on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 8:15am
You've lost 25 sales from our LAN group Infinity. Nice job asses.
Submitted by savior on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 8:03am
If I wanted to play a console like game, I would buy a console!
Add another knot in the rope to hang this game up with. They keep on digging there own grave deeper and deeper for PC gamers.
If you read the chat, they basiclly said "screw you pc gamers, you are going to be like console now weather you like it or not"
Ive been playing this game
Submitted by Xylogeist on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 7:27am
Ive been playing this game for a week now and I can tell you, you wont care about the 9 players deal. It's awesome. Im already lvl 34 (xbox 360) :cool:
Submitted by cyberslappy1 on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 12:45pm
ME and Smokingranger agree that for a 360 gamer who won’t see games over 16 players 9v9 will be fun, but for PC there is some fun in the chaos of 16v16 or more, you get killed a lot but it’s fun as hell. Besides if it’s so good on the Xbox why are you on here posting comments and not playing the game. Enjoy level 0 on Monday when they reset the servers.
Submitted by samduhman on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 8:21am
Leave now, this is MAXIMUMPC not gamespot. I will not support these devs who turn historically PC genres into nuetered console crap.
Submitted by Xylogeist on Fri, 11/06/2009 - 10:17am
Oh shut the hell up. You think I don't play PC games aswell? I played this game torrented ont he PC for 1 week before I got it for console.. this isn't about you PC "supremists" PC = Hacks, mods, glitches, patches and so forth. Console games are just as good as any PC game, so get the hell used to it.
Submitted by snapple00 on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 2:32pm
Too bad you can't easily torrent the console version or you would have stolen that one too you worthless sack of shit.
Hows mommy's basement treating you.
Submitted by Xylogeist on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 7:48am
Hey douche bag, how else do you think I got MW2 2 weeks early? It was a torrent moron. Modded xbox remember?
BTW, it's doing good concidering its on the 2nd floor and I own the tittle to the house, not sure if you would call it Mommy's in that situation eh? Idiot
****You've been warned in the forums to not refer to illegal activity like stealing software. Once more and I'm banning you. Now, who is the idiot? -Quakindude****
Submitted by baGoGoodies111 on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 2:19pm
In many regards, I can agree with you, consoles have proven to be powerful and versatile enough to handle many of the same things computers can (when we're talking about video games). However I will say that during gameplay, I would prefer a mouse and keyboard over a controller anyday. Call it whatever you want, however I just like the more "natural feel" I get when I have to move my whole hand/wrist over just a simple thumb.
And to rebuttal some of your statements about the negatives of PC's:
Consoles also have Hacks, glitches, and patches, but they come in the form of updates and you get fewer of them which ends up being more of a downfall for consoles.
PC = Free Map packs too, which is lovely. (at least for MW1)
I am getting MW2 for my 360, I would also get it for my PC if I had one that handled it, but in my honest opinion, they could have gone a little farther than 9v9
Submitted by Xylogeist on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 7:49am
Actually the Xbox lacks hacks. The only multiplayer hacks were just hex editing and have only been in a couple games (both were fixed within weeks and never hacked again)
I played PC games for years, its about time Xbox came to save the day.
Submitted by worm8199 on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 9:33am
If Xbox "lacks hacks", how were you playing the game weeks before release? If people can figure out how to steal the game and play it before it's released, they'll find a way to hack. Just as on the PC, if the server isn't scripted to catch the hacks then they will work. And from the sounds of it, there won't be servers anymore so good luck stopping hackers when they do take to the game.
Sooo glad I decided to wait on buying this one!! Love Modern Warfare and this article bummed me out about the new one.
Any more talk of hacking
Submitted by Quakindude on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 12:28pm
Any more talk of hacking to allow you to play pirated software and I'll start swinging the banhammer folks. Just stop it right now. The rules we have in our forums apply to this area too.
-QD
MaximumPC Moderator.
Submitted by nekollx on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 1:39pm
I'm confused the articles is about hacks, these 2 are taking about the ability to hack being present on consoles or not, not a guide on how to hack a xbox or PC so how is their discussion any differernt then the OP?
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Submitted by Quakindude on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 9:18am
You can talk about the ability to hack the Xbox. You can talk about the reasons why others hack the Xbox. But straying into talking about how you've hacked your XBox and now you're downloading pirated software is a no-no. It's a fine line and I should have explained it better.
MaximumPC Moderator
***The views I express are my own and do not represent the views of MaximumPC Magazine or Future US.***
Submitted by nekollx on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 9:30am
Thanks,I'm always hated mods who say things "just cause." How can i avoid braking the rules when the only answer is "you should have know better"
"Known what?"
"Things"
*rolls eyes* "Very Helpful"
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Five teenagers, one alien ghost, a robot, and the fate of the world.
Submitted by Wolfgang on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 7:24am
COD4: Modern Warfare; Undoubtedly one of the best cross-platform shooters of all times, great on all aspects, great single and multi player. War is about chaos, its typically asymmetrical on a smaller scale, specifically when its urban. When it takes place in an urban setting, its usually a lot of people against a lot of people! We're talking realism here, and that is why I think COD 4 MW was a total sucess. And now its creator is castrating what seems to be a great game by making it a squad vs squad online? First it was the dedicated server business, then this? Names might be repeated on that list, but how many? 150,000? Still, 150,000 X $50 bucks its what, $7,500,000? Ouch! I'd reconsider the veracity of this list and what it means to my company's profits.
As much as I love PC gaming, I guess I'll be playing this one on a console. Well, I don't doubt the game will be a hit, but in the long run, its gonna be a quick hit and nothing else, it will fade away quickly cuz of its small replay value. Let's see if time will dictate and make a difference when their dedicated servers aren't as populated as they expect. Mind tricks won't do the job but a lot of gamers united might...
Submitted by samduhman on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 8:23am
If you love PC gaming don't support IW by buying the console version. You send the wrong message.
Submitted by crazitrain02 on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 1:00pm
IW isn't going to look at which platform brought in the most money, they are just looking for the $$$ that they will be getting in total. If you buy MW2 for any platform you're helping them say f*k PC gamers.
Submitted by worm8199 on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 9:38am
I disagree that they aren't looking at which platform makes the most money. If PS3 sells 5mil copies while PC sells 1mil, they are definitely going to associate it to be that they need to focus on the PS3 and port it to PC. Yes, they are all sales and they will accept every dollar given to them but it WILL cause them to take note of which platform they should be gunning for and then the others will be afterthoughts.
Submitted by nekollx on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 10:21am
it's a viscious cycle, so as they see PC sales decline they will undersupport the PC, pc sales will decline again and....
BUT if you buy pc and sales go up they think "so they really liked our changes, lets keep it like that!"
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Coming soon to Lulu.com --Tokusatsu Heroes--
Five teenagers, one alien ghost, a robot, and the fate of the world.
Submitted by Danthrax66 on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 7:16am
I never found it hard to double click on a name on the server list. This in no way makes it easier this just makes it suck. No hardcore pc gamer will buy a game with no dedicated servers this is stupid and a waste of money on Infinity Ward's part to make IWnet. Everyone needs to get battlefield bad company 2, do not buy mw2 wait for someone to crack it for dedicated servers. IW just past the RIAA on organizations I hate. I actually wouldn't mind if they would stop making pc games if they are going to do this stuff from now on.
I think I know of a good
Submitted by vistageek on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 6:49am
I think I know of a good place to get a game if i just want to play the single player.
Submitted by K0BALT on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 6:01am
I enjoy small matches like anyone else, but I also enjoy a 20v20 TDM..... capping the player count is ridiculous. If they kept it the same with large matches, people that like 9v9, still have the option to do so while keeping the rest of us happy. I'm on the fence about this whole thing now....... I was gonna wait till Xmas for Borderlands, but now it's looking like a better game overall.... gotta sleep on it.
"See, if you’re used to
Submitted by Netram on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 5:12am
"See, if you’re used to the deafening chaos of Modern Warfare 1’s 32-man skirmishes"
Stop the QQ, CoD1 had 64 player matches.
Playing more than 8v8 becomes a spam war and isn't even remotely fun when you die to nade spam.
I'm not saying I'm not pissed about the lack of dedicated servers or mods, but come on. 9v9 isn't that bad. The jump from 64-32 is worse.
BTW, CoD1 > No skill console shit that is CoD2 onwards.
If you want something to whine about, how about the fact that you can't lean anymore.
Submitted by Who on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 5:47am
My dad still plays that cuz he likes the 32v32 spam wars :)
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