Microsoft's Mattrick Advises Gamers with Shaky Internet to Stick with Xbox 360

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TechGoudy

So sad to see people actually buying the Xbox One. You pay $500 for a console you won't even own. You have to be an idiot at this point to think that Anonymous or some other rouge internet group won't target Microsoft and bring Xbox Live down to the ground. If they did it to Sony, they can do it to Microsoft.

As a side note, if they got rid of the 24hr check in, I would buy it seeing as I really do like the console, just not the policies being pushed with the console.

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Duck Dodgers

Am I the only service member that missed gaming being added to the consitution? It's still a hobby and a privilege not a right, if I'm not mistaken. And when did we become so whiney? If you can't make gaming work for you (as I have when I built my own gaming rig out of a pelican case for rough deployments) then you just simply can't game. Quite frankly, I'm more ashamed at the my fellow service member's remark than the smug reply he recieved from Microsoft. We are some of the most proud, enduring and creative professionals in any field. I say suck it up and make something happen on your terms instead of crying about what someone else won't do for you.

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wumpus

You might try reading Adam Smith (the original). Once you get to a handful of vendors controlling the entire market, they simply decide what you are going to have to put up with. Right now, we have the choice between the good console (PS4), the bad console (Xbone) and the forgotten console (WiiU).

Since Sony more or less got away with removing Linux (more or less because of the 10 people or so who cared, enough of them knew a few things about encryption and finally rooted the PS3) they know they can legally add in all the checks they said they weren't going to have after they have taken your money. I haven't personally dealt with the contempt of customer that Sony dishes out, but I've seen it enough to beware (I've been on the end of MS's shenanigans to avoid it the rare occasions that it's possible).

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John Pombrio

I wonder what the reaction would have been if Microsoft eliminated the optical drive completely? I bet they thought about it. XBox One would be all digital all the time which is where they are going with the console.

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steve771

All about greed and giving the consumer the finger, as usual for M$. MicroSucks could care less, but it will change when the Xbone tanks.

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John Pombrio

Too late. Amazon reports that both consoles are selling in tremendous volumes. I just bought the XBox One preorder on Amazon.

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QuadraQ

Are you a Microsoft employee? BTW the PS4 is now dominating the Amazon Video Game top 20. Yes the Xbox One is number 2, but the PS4 is number 1, number 4, 5, 6, and 8. The Xbox One is already loosing.

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froggz

Microsoft it's out of touch with their customers. Period.
The number one focus for a gaming console should be games, everything else is icing on the cake. Games are what sell consoles, since after all that's why people buy the damn things to begin with. Convenience, price and simplicity. All of it out the window with the XBOX ONE.

Too expensive: In four years of ownership you are looking at a minimum of at least $2k in the total cost of owning an X-one. That's live memberships, 4 games a year, an extra controller, an external hard drive that will need to be purchased and the sales tax that goes along with all of that.

Convenience and Simplicity: The days of sitting down, popping a cartridge or disk, wait a few seconds and play are long gone. Now it will be no different than a PC game installation. Pop in a disk, wait 25 minutes for the game to load, contact servers, get patch, sign in, register, etc. A few days later another patch is released, wait 5 minutes, log on to social network and so on.

You might as well get a PC and hook it up the the TV. In reality Steam is no better than what Microsoft is trying to do, but at least with the PC, 20 years from now, the games you own now will still be compatible with all future PC. That is if Microsoft is still around after Windows 8 and the stupid decisions they are making with the XBOX ONE.

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Bizarre

The interviewer should have asked "So what you're saying is, if you have an unstable internet connection and want to play new games, buy a PS4?"

I wonder if they'll turn around and make offline play available. The Used games DRM is probably here to stay, since there are a lot more stakeholders already involved in the scheme.

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TechGoudy

+1 my friend. He really should have asked that question.

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Glycerin

There's no reason why they can't enable offline play. No reason!!

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Glycerin

This guy rants exactly how I feel about the Xbox One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4kKvrA3S-Y

Go suck one, Don.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

"This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

In other words, "You're too stupid to even understand what you want. We're here to tell you what you want. Aren't you lucky you have Microsoft looking out for you?"

The whole company is a reflection of its CEO.

The day I have to pay Microsoft a monthy fee to play video games is the day I stop playing fucking video games.

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ApathyCurve

If you slide it in slow and whisper in her ear, "you like this, baby," she'll eventually start to believe it.

Sorry, M$. I'm hip to your scam.

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T0mmy1977

Roger that.

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PCWolf

Ask those people who purchase Music for their ZUNE's about what happened to their DRM infected Music when Microsoft shut down the Zune's DRM servers. They lost everything they purchased. This is whats going going to happen to all Xbox One games when MS shuts down the Xbox One's DRM Servers at the end of the systems life. Enjoy your Leased Xbox One Games.

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Sirius

Gee Golly oh My Gosh!!!

Not.. Anyone that had music purchased for their Zune had the capability to burn that music out to audio cd's just like I did. So if they didn't, it's their own fault, not Microsoft's. Too bad my Zune stopped working. I loved the HD radio feature.

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steve771

It's the consumers fault that M$ bailed on them? Yeah, what a M$ shill you are.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Ass much?

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Glycerin

He has a point. People got screwed because M$ dropped support.

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bhelms85

Well I have served my time on a nuclear submarine and we have talked about how hard it is to game on a 6 month deployment. To put it in better terms that you can understand, take your wireless route and put it five feet underwater in a box, now try to connect to it from your computer that is out of the water.... guess what doesnt work out so well. Now scale that to a submarine size, besides we cant get a 4g connection in the middle of the Pacific. But its cool, military service members dont make up enough of the percentage to care about (we understand), we will find a way to spoof the connection. I am sure we can throw up a dns server that points the comms to our fake microsoft server. Will just need to create a server app that can handle the comms (much easier said than done).

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Hey.That_Dude

M$ looks like they're in trouble this round.
So many in so much uproar about the once a day call home feature.

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high_council

Microsoft is missing the point. A lot of people are concerned about a nosey system. I bought a 60" non-smart tv because I like my privacy. In addition, with what has been coming out in the press with big brother snooping into every aspect of our lives, there is little (if any) reason to trust that there would be no intrusion into my life. So the issue comes up that what?!? I can't play the newest console games without being spied on? PC games have started down this path too i.e. silent hunter 4 and whatever else. I don't play games online so leave me the hell alone with my awesome graphics already!
Long story short, it's not about fast or slow internet, it's about privacy!

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dgrmouse

The phoning home bit isn't just to spy on you, silly...

It's also designed to get you to watch a whole bunch of advertisements!

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reutnes

I work in a repair shop that serves a rural area and I would say around 20% of my customers farmers that are still on dialup. When NXE was released I had a bunch of people come from the countryside to use my network just to update.

Redmond is a rich, urban/suburban city that doesn't have to worry about trite things like "last mile" while they wear their expensive clothes and drive their expensive cars and buy expensive plane tickets over top of flyover country.

20% of americans are ruralites. The new services are US-only, ecxluding canadians and europeans. That's a pretty big chunk of your userbase and the only thing he has to say about it is "why are these people on submarines lol."

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wk

Well, well MS keep making stupid decisions, first Windows 8 with annoying touch centered Metro interface for desktop user, while they can simply made 2 versions; for touch and desktop.

Now they came with this brilliant idea, keep it coming MS, they are becoming such huge cooperation that they can't hear but their own voice.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I think you're saying that their own voice is the only one they can hear. I agree. Every time one of their execs speaks in public, the entire company digs itself deeper into a hole.

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germanogre

Thank you very f__king much, Microsoft, for jumping on the "screw the consumer, they'll just pirate the games" bandwagon. What, the 360 wasn't financially successful enough without restrictive DRM? Did game publishers kidnap your CEO and Xbox developers and threaten them with electroshock torture to the genitals if they didn't implement a system like this?

The only reason I bought a 360 was because most of my friends won't buy gaming PCs. Less than half of those seem interested in the Bone.

For all those considering the PS4, remember the rootkit scandal? The removal of features from the PS3 that costumers paid for? Their stupid proprietary memory cards? We'll see if they stick with that no-online-requirement system after they've sold a couple million.

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Bucket_Monster

Yeah they do have a product for people with unreliable or no internet. It's called PS4. Unfortunately for MS they didn't make it.

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HKUSPC40

I have an XBox 360 but probably gonna switch to the PS4 this year after all of Microsofts comments. The commentary from Sony regarding it's used games policy yesterday was enough to persuade me to switch despite their security problems a while back.

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wolfing

The issue is not really the internet connection, at least not to me at all. My PS3 is always online. My problem is with pre-owned game. I don't care about playing games when they're fresh out of the oven, and pay $60+ for them. I wait a few months and places like Gamefly, Gamestop and others will sell them pre-owned for like $20, that's when I buy them. With Xbox One restrictions, stores will have to pay publishers to 'reactivate' the game, so very probably, pre-owned games will sell for a lot more than they do now. That's my issue with the Xbox one.

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John Pombrio

Digital game rentals instead of having to buy and sell used games on a physical disk. Costs less and you could buy the game later when the price goes down.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The idea you have to pay nearly full retail price for an old, scratched-up game disc is obscene.

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limitbreaker

i think you're confused... thats not what he said.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

"...stores will have to pay publishers to 'reactivate' the game, so very probably, pre-owned games will sell for a lot more than they do now. That's my issue with the Xbox one."

That's exactly what he said. Consumers will be paying nearly full retail price for old, scratched up discs with worn or even missing manuals. Most people don't take proper care of their games. I've seen some of the road worn trash those shops will sell.

I've already read company statements regarding reactivation fees. This guy isn't drawing conclusions from thin air.

Go back to your M$ cubicle.

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rsaotome

Don't worry M$, our service men/women will be happy to lug around PS4's when on deployment. :)

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kixofmyg0t

Yes we are.

Just pre-ordered mine today. Only 11 left at the local Gamestop.

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prince_david

Also the PS4 is smaller than the Xbone despite having basically all the same hardware.

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itneese

I guess Microsoft doesn't realize that they have just alienated the majority of the Armed Forces (regardless of country) and civilian mariners. Unless they aren't deployed (eg- in homeport or on R&R/leave/liberty), they won't be able to play on XBONE. It doesn't matter if they are on a nuclear sub, a normal ship out to sea or in the middle of Afghanistan/Iraq, our Armed Forces are S.O.L when it comes to the XBONE. I guess Sony's stocks will go up, which kills me because I prefer to buy American products.

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Bucket_Monster

Allegedly they are coming up with a solution for people stationed in the service. Some sort of code or something. I forget exactly, but I'm sure you can find it on google. Whether that will pan out or work well is another story.

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bloodgain

Let me translate that for you:

"Hey 25% or more of our customer base -- buy a PS4 instead!"

I'm sure there are several apropos quotes here about what not to be surprised by treat your customers like criminals.

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timma100

A perfect example of where his logic fails (there are indefinite examples) In a dorm situation, personally I attended Job Core and in the dorms you have absolutely NO internet, or you can find an ethernet jack with all ports blocked except 80... But we had over six hundred students, and nearly all of them owned consoles but all played offline (with some system link between 360s).. Not only that, but I can think of countless situations where people dont have internet for their consoles, (maybe one connection for this computer but no wifi) I was initially excited about the Xbox One, and yes I have a stable and available internet connection. But if they're being such smug, arrogant, idiots about their console I don't want any part of it.

Oh, and no one gives a crap about TV any more

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John Pombrio

Since this is a strictly software decision, why doesn't MS just drop the whole thing or make it every 2 months rather than once a day? They are getting so much grief over this. Reporters are complaining that they are getting different answers from different people at MS over this question every day showing that even in MS, decisions have not been locked down yet.
Off topic: Adam Sessler's reaction to the new Kinect was one of astonishment at its abilities. Time will tell if programmers use it.
Another off topic: Does having an x86 architecture in both boxes mean that it will be a lot easier to port over PC games to the new consoles?

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John Pombrio

Ahh, This makes more sense now. Ars Technica has an article where MS defends it position by saying that it is trying to eliminate the console game disk by going entirely digital. This makes great sense to me as I have not bought a PC game "disk" in years. I would also love to get rid of the drawer full of console games we have (some with scratched, unplayable or lost disks).
As for having console disks, I never bothered to sell them or buy a used game. My sons have only a couple of times brought the disk over to a friend's house to play the game. I cannot really comment on "used" or "borrowed" games then.
How about "all you can play" game plan or digital game rentals? Sound good?
So much like Steam then, where I buy WAY too many games during their amazing sales.

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tnguy

Steam games are all digital media, downloaded to your PC. If you ever upgrade to a different PC, you are welcome to download the games again, you never scratch a disc, and always have your games accessible anywhere in the world. You can also play any downloaded games in offline mode if you don't have an internet connection. No reason MS couldn't do it this way.

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captainjack

I had to discipline myself from buying any Steam games during the winter sale (lack of money). A recent windfall has me on the edge of my seat waiting for the summer sale!

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praetor_alpha

OT: Should be easier in theory, but there's still the diverse GPU/driver landscape, and the fact that consoles and PCs generally don't have the same control schemes.

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burntjuggalas

Breaking news!! PlayStation 4 has the absolutely brand new feature never before seen on consoles called OFFLINE PLAY! # sarcasm

In all seriousness though... PlayStation 4 has won this generation unless Microsoft changes everything.

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John Pombrio

Online play costs money tho, just like MS live gold.

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Bucket_Monster

For $100 cheaper and no restrictions, that's a small sacrifice. Not like MS has an edge over this, still have to pay for Gold.

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