Microsoft Teases Return of Start Button in Windows 8.1

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riopato

What upgrade would you be looking for on the desktop side anyway? Aside from the start button, is there anything that windows 8 can't do better than windows 7?
People tend to forget that windows 7 is just a patched up version of Windows Vista with addition features.
The only thing I can think of is hardware compatibility, but every new iteration of windows always had this problem!

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John Pombrio

Bring back Aero glass, do a lot of tweaks to the task bar, give options to the look of windows, make Start app shortcuts available to the desktop, create a new version of Gadgets, quick launch, and lots more.

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Sirius

Let's bring back white wall tires while we're at it..... Aero sucked and even in Windows 7 it was the first thing I turned off. Why do you need Start app short cuts when they are right there on the Start screen? Gadgets are Live Tiles now, quick launch is now Pin to Task bar. Give it a rest John. You still haven't made one single non-cosmetic point to Windows 8 being bad.

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Biceps

Microsoft has been wasting a lot of opportunities lately...

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whiznot

Brilliant. Create an operating system that annoys everyone and no one will bother to steal it.

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riopato

Steal it? Forget that, think about the potential of actually having a windows pc that's virus free since it's so terrible that no one will bother making viruses for it and focus all their attention to Apple and Google. Sounds like a win to me.

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firefox91

"You don't know what you want. We know what you want." - Microsoft

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riopato

"You are just holding it the wrong way"-Steve Jobs. Note, this is an actual quote directly from Apple's CEO's mouth. May he rest in peace.

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dedgar

That 'start button' that is really just male bovine fecal matter. (BS for those that can't figure out MBFM.)
MS is just trying to deflect the boat load of crap they've been getting when they got rid of it.
"See, we brought it back!! It may not do what you really want but it's there!!!!"
Smoke and mirrors comes to mind.
Also an attitude of 'we know you don't like it but too bad. We know better than you.'

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riopato

It's about time Microsoft stopped catering to all the nitpicking and whining.
It's shit like bitching about the missing start button that cause Microsoft to make windows 98se, Me and Vista. Everyone had to put their opinions to make windows better but no one actually offered a way to actually write that code.
If all you geniuses are so right about the mistakes Microsoft is making, write a dam operating system yourself and see you do.

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Dexter243

never will Microsoft get a dime of my $

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Cregan89

Newsflash... They don't care.

How much money did you give Microsoft prior to Windows 8? If you're on this website, you probably build your own computers, not subsidized OEM PC's (Window's main source of income). You play PC games, not Xbox games. You pirate your software or use only shareware / open source software, you don't buy paid applications through an application store. You pirate, stream, or play physical media, not digital purchases or rentals through Xbox Music/Video. You like to think you know everything about computer hardware and software but really know nothing, so you have no need to buy Microsoft Developer Tools. You run Adblock plus on your browser and rob Microsoft of advertising profits. You bash the company's brand at every chance you get because it's the "cool" thing to do. You don't use a smartphone or tablet and definitely don't use Windows Phone or Windows RT. You use the same Windows license on every computer in your house. You buy new computer parts, not new computers, so you use the same Windows license since Windows 95.

Basically, you buy a Windows upgrade key every 3 years at $40 a pop. Except you skipped Vista and Windows 8, so make that $40 every 6 years.

The sooner people on this website realize that they're not Microsoft's target market, the better. The people who do actually spend money on Microsoft products are the reason for an app store, live tiles, touch-first UI, Skype, SkyDrive, and a software-as-a-service pricing model.

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elzafir

If you ever use or buy Skype credits, XBOX and the games, Hotmail, shop at Barnes & Noble or use the Nook, Facebook, you have contributed to Microsoft's revenue in one way or the other.

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someuid

Phbbt. Microsoft is not caving to user pressure. That Start Button isn't there to make your life easier when using Windows 8. It is there to remind the 50%+ of people who spend all their time on the Windows 8 desktop that they are supposed to be on the Modern UI Start Page.

They aren't doing this to make life easier for you (if they were, that Start Button would bring up a Start Menu). They're doing this to gently nudge you back to the Start Page where all good little boys and girls happily go, and use Modern UI apps, and ensure Steve Ballmer can have gold flakes on his morning ice cream sundae.

Don't fall for it.

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whiskeymcclinton

Sounds like the best move to me. I never liked the Start menu in Vista or Win7. They were too cramped, with too many clicks to get to what I wanted. As well, navigating a folder structure in a small scrolling window that was inside a slideout menu is just stupid. Before Windows 8 was even leaked, I had thought, when you click on the Start button, why not make the Start menu take up the whole screen, with all the programs easy to see?
If you really look at it, there was redundant overlap the way people used the Start menu, the desktop, widget apps, and shortcuts. Combining them all into one is forward progress, not just from an aesthetic standpoint, but from a process efficiency standpoint.
For the mega power users, you still have keyboard shortcuts, and the instant type to load applications and files.

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John Pombrio

I put a real "start button" back into Wi8 with Stardock's Start8. I find that I use it for Log out, Control Panel, Search, and an occasional Programs look just about in that order. Not a lot by any means but enough to have missed it and to purchase a replacement.
Start8 also allows me to go directly to the desktop.
I NEVER, EVER use TIFKAM at all.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I felt Windows 7 half-broke the Start menu, primarily because it became such a damn chore to customize it (contrasted with XP).

Removing the Start menu while not providing an effective alternative was absolutely asinine.

Now they're being even bigger pricks by creating a Start menu that flips over to that bald asshole's ego abortion: Metro UI.

Fuck 'em. I'll stay with 7. And from there I'll go over to Linux.

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Renegade Knight

Now that I think about it I agree. With 7 I quite trying to make the start menu actually work the way I liked. I gave up. The start screen is easier to customize though I need smaller icons for static tiles.

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someuid

It seems rather silly to me to have a graphical UI, for which the mouse is rather powerful in combination with, and tell power users to use keyboard shortcuts.

If they keyboard was all powerful, then what the heck do we need a GUI for?

And a full page start menu? Wouldn't that just be the same as putting all your icons on the desktop and minimizing the one program you are using to get to them? That's pretty much what happens when you're using Modern UI.

Microsoft has no freakin' clue what they are doing and they're destroying their brand.

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dgrmouse

whiskeymcclinton said, "If you really look at it, there was redundant overlap... Combining them all into one is forward progress"

This is an unreasonable argument. Redundancy is acceptable, at worst, while removing familiar options is frustrating, at best.

In every Microsoft OS, it has been possible to set your system date and time from a command prompt. Does that mean that adding the option to click the clock in the system tray to change it is a bad thing? Would the system truly be improved by eliminating the redundancy?

You like live tiles, and that's great. But, explain why having a conventional start menu for everyone else isn't feasible.

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Cregan89

Redundancy isn't "acceptable" at worst. It's confusing. Apple made a 500 billion dollar company out of Window's "redundancy".

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FireGarden

I've been thinking. Would M$ just be being considerate to all the companies that are producing and profiting from software that adds a start-button? Would M$ really just not want to stand on their toes? It's a different angle, maybe they fear legal action from these companies, or some anti-competitive lawsuit (I can't see how though!). I'm just grasping at straws - but if this was the case, surely they would just say that.

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FireGarden

Grrrrrrrrr!! They really haven't listened. Most of us don't care for the new UI on a standard desktop or laptop. It's great for touch screen devices - but MS please let us choose! How complicated can that be??!

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Ashton2091

Even though it will drop you back into Metro, there will be a "all programs" feature that will simply list the installed programs instead of live tiles, although it will still cover the entire screen in a Metro fashion. Personally, I'm still using Windows 7. I test ran 8, but I'm not ready and not sure if I ever will make the jump to 8. I still think Metro should have been optional. Think "Touch Pack" for Windows 7. Even with the introduction of touch & gesture mice (which will make using Metro easier to use)...still, there should be a option to disable Metro. It's a tablet interface, that works well for tablets...not so much the desktop. I'm sure there are others who don't mind it at all.

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John Pombrio

Win8 has enough going for it that I would really hate to go back to Win7 as long as they do not force me to use TIFKAM.

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