Microsoft Gives a First Look at Windows 8.1

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andrerocha

what is going on inside the head of people at Microsoft? no one likes windows 8 and the modern ui. but why do they continue to impose on us their metro interface? do they think we are going to forget and start liking it more with time? what's up with ms?

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machew100

All this windows 8 bitching is so annoying. It has a learning curve. You have four corners and a right click. That is all. Can't believe fat slobby nerds can't program their asses into a slight learning curve. All the cool kids are 2cool4windows8. Windows 8 isn't perfect. Great. For desktop it works just fine. The kernel is faster, the search is incredibly optimized, there's an actually interesting pop of color and art to the operating system, which you won't find anywhere ever. People have been using the same desktop interface for basically the entire life of all computers ever. A switch and change will be unwelcome, but I had no idea people would whine *this* much.

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Fray

"All this windows 8 bitching is so annoying."

Good. It's supposed to be annoying.

"It has a learning curve."

I don't want it, because it is awful. I could learn it, but I won't.

"I had no idea people would whine *this* much."

Get used to it, Ballmer.

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wk

my new laptop came with preinstalled windows 8.
what a disappointment. I worked on windows 98, ME, XP, Vista, 7, and this is the most annoying OS to this date. I had to install third party start menu and I can't even play solitare while doing other work on my desktop.
Although win 8 has some advantages, i.e., faster, lower system resources requirement, and speedy boot.
But why on earth Microsoft want to force all pc users to an OS meant for touch experience. I know that Microsoft is after all a business cooperation seeking more profit from current hype, but WHY ON EARTH CAN THEY MAKE TWO VERSIONS; ONE FOR DESKTOP AND ONE FOR TOUCH PC.
Microsoft keep making more stupid decisions each day starting with ribbon menu to windows 8.

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maxeeemum

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If I was looking for a new laptop I be looking for one with Win7. There are people who say M$ is not forcing Win8 on anybody but your situation is what many are talking about. If you want a new PC it has Win8 on it. Windows 8 isn't about ease of use it is a sales tool for M$ because it wants you buy to WP8 and tablets. Everything M$!!! But now when I see M$ tiles I what to puke!

But it's not working out to good! LOL!

Might be worth buying a copy of Windows 7.

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Sirius

Actually, according to the licensing terms, if the laptop came with Windows 8 Pro, it can be downgraded to Windows 7, no charge.

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maxeeemum

Yep! But go to Best Buy or Staples and see how many PCs or Laptops have Pro on them. I'll bet the only one is the Surface Pro. And how many people are aware of this?

The real reason the downgrade option exists is a numbers game. If a company is upgrading now from XP to Win7 M$ sells them a Win8 license and claims they took the downgrade option. So now they can claim they sold a Win8 license. LOL!

Microsoft! Such a honest company!!!

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jonnyohio

Those are a great set of features if I had a touch screen....I'm serious. They look great and make windows 8 better, but I still don't think I'd care much for this on my main desktop.

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hypersonic

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'start screen' is the new metro screen ? M$ has turned win8 into an all in one app display & a photo album, how retarded if your a desktop user ! The YouTube video didn't show the desktop nor the start button ! I still don't know what the hell their trying to do. We complained to M$ about what's missing in win8, then they turn around and make it worse in win8.1 ????? Oh well, I guess its a wait and see, in the mean time more power to win7 users !

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warptek2010

One feature that is no doubt missing, is the ability to configure the interface FOR MOUSE USE. Don't have much faith in MS addressing that since they're fully on board with this touch stuff. I never really had a problem with the so called missing Start button, my Windows 8 issue is with how it's more optimized for touch and not the mouse.

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Cregan89

What do you mean? I don't understand this argument. What can't you do in Windows 8 with a mouse?

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Paper Jam

Didn't like Metro on my desktop, don't like it on my Xbox, and I won't have it on my phone or tablet. MS may keep their stranglehold on the PC and enterprise markets, but when the time comes to upgrade from 7 (and I am anticipating this coming around the next major release of Windows), I will be moving away from Windows. I say this because I fully expect the next iteration to be even more Metro and less Windows. They shouldn't even be allowed to call Metro "Windows", since it only allows one app to be open on screen at a time. They should have called it Window One kinda like they are doing with the next Xbox.

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Cregan89

Good to see you've actually watched the video! Oh wait...

In Windows 8 you can run two apps at a time (one in "snap" mode). According to this video, in Windows 8.1, you can run 4 apps at the same time with completely manual resizing. And there's rumor that full multi-monitor support is coming in Windows 8.1 as well, which means up to 4 applications per monitor.

You seem to have your mind made up though so I'm probably better off talking to a wall...

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Paper Jam

You're right. I didn't watch the video. But I am glad you did so you could point out that with an update Metro will still be less capable of multitasking than XP. 4 screens open at once, you say? My wall is better at multitasking. But keep talking and maybe someone will listen....

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rjohnsonca

This looks terrible to be honest, unless you are using a touchscreen. Which nobody is. When this update comes out I will still keep my Windows 8 in desktop mode 100% of the time and pretend the start screen doesn't exist. I would like an option to remove the Metro UI entirely from the OS but Microsoft will never do that.

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leetNightshade

If you have the Classic Start Menu installed, you can Skip the Metro screen upon start, disable active corners, and override the Windows key to just open the start menu. So, you can effectively almost completely disable the Metro UI, save for a few special circumstances (opening a file type with a metro app, which you'll want to change to be opened by a desktop app).

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blackcat77

A step in the right direction for sure. I'll probably put W8 back on my laptop now.

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bjoswald

Just stick with Windows 7, and tell your friends to tell their friends not to be afraid to say how much they hate Windows 8. Eventually, when the word reaches Microsoft's ivory tower, they'll have to react.

Maybe the trendy hipster douches like the Metro-sexual look, but most people do not. The best way to kill this goofy, tablet-to-desktop trend is to vote with your wallet.

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leetNightshade

Windows 8 is more efficient, and you can effectively disable metro, making Windows 8 just like Windows 7, but faster and with a cooler UI. Granted, I didn't have to pay for my edition of Windows 8, otherwise I'd be singing a different tune. But Windows 8 desktop edition can be a mostly better experience.

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jonnyohio

So what you are saying is its not worth paying the money for.....I don't see the sense in paying for it, and then making it work like windows 7 when I already have windows 7...can you tell me any good reason to pay for an upgrade? Sure, if you get it free and don't have windows 7 lying around to install I suppose you can make it work like 7, but is there any reason I should upgrade to 8 if I have to buy a copy?

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warptek2010

Efficient for touch perhaps, NOT efficient for mouse use.

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Fray

It's a worse experience.

In Windows 7 Microsoft gave me widgets that showed times, the weather and currencies.

In Windows 8 they took them away.

I've always been excited to try the new stuff in a new OS. Microsoft has sure cured me of that notion.

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Cregan89

@Fray

That's funny cause I have time, weather, and currency all showing on my Windows 8 Start Screen! Weird...

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maxeeemum

"That's funny cause I have time, weather, and currency all showing on my Windows 8 Start Screen! Weird..."

More condescending comments I see! Most Win8 users install a 3rd party app to kill the Metro Start Screen and boot straight to the desktop.

@Fray you can Google "Gadgets for Windows 7/8" and find many still available for the desktop. I only use All CPU Meter.

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maxeeemum

@Fray

Exactly! M$ stripped out many things in Windows 7 to make Win8 slightly faster at some things. The main purpose is to get W8 to work on a low powered tablet. The blind fanboys think this is great but if you have a high power PC Windows 8 is like the free version of Win7 and if you want the extra stuff you have to pay. But of course good luck convincing them. They bought the hype and won't admit they've been had once again by M$.

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hypersonic

I'd love Win8 working on old hardware it does on my brothers 2006 HP laptop. Why not work on even older systems around 2000 ! what the hell ! BTW they have jacked up support for mouse.

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InfiniteImp

Microsoft is doing everything right.... for tablet users. Maybe even for touchscreen notebook users.

They are doing everything wrong for desktop users. Microsoft, LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS. Some like the direction Windows 8 went in, most do not. Restore the fully functional start menu and give me back a complete desktop experience. I will not use your new tablet-centric OS on my desktop.

Windows 8 will not have any significant acceptance in the business marketplace until things change radically with windows 8. I don't want or need a cute weather app, or the ability to touch up photos or see my facebook updates. I work on this thing.

Tiles are cute and a great media consumption tool but for a business user they have no purpose. They keep you from doing your work efficiently.

One day, when Microsoft's place in the desktop OS market is where IBM is now (Remember OS/2, anyone?), they'll realize they should have changed directions. Too late.

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Granite

shrug...

Everyone's still bent out of shape over the start button. Why, I don't know. The start button is gone...but everything the start button did is still there...and more.

I don't care about this start button bone MS is throwing you guys, but there are some other useful features in the update. It's free, so it's a good deal to me.

I'm looking forward to it.

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PCWolf

I'm not bent out of shape about the Start Button, I'm bent out of shape because MS is trying to force a lame tablet UI in my face all the time when I don't even have a Touch Screen Monitor. & I don't want to see this lame UI every time I boot my Computer & I don't want it popping up all the time. besides, Windows 7 works great. I Don't need Windows 8 since it offers no real reason to upgrade,

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Ashton2091

I can't seem to figure out why the 8.1 update being "free", keeps getting mentioned. It's a service pack, which has been and should always be "free". I've been seeing these comments about it being free on other sites as well. Don't know what that's about. Not bashing you. I just wanted to point that out.

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SPreston2001

Exactly Microsoft has ALWAYS had free updates so saying the update is free means nothing lol. Option to disable Metro and bring back the real start button and im happy. Sure theres still useful settings that are still buried deep into menus but I could probably get used to that.

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BikerDon

Paul, would you explain one thing to me? Why do you guys keep saying " upcoming update to Windows 8 that will bring back the Start button (yay!)"? They aren't bringing back the start button. We never had a start button. We had a functional and useful start MENU. Hope you enjoy your start button. As for myself, that old copy of Win 7 is looking more and more likely to get dusted off and reused here real soon!

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John Pombrio

What good is the "Start" button if it only leads to the Start Screen? You can do that by hitting the right Windows key from the desktop...
Speaking of desktops, the video never ONCE showed the desktop. Nothing at all in 8.1 for us (besides the bogus Start button)?
Jezz, I keep thinking of other bogus stuff. Multitasking? phifft. I have seen my son with over 20 windows open. Can you change the Start multitasking windows in height as well and width? How about those apps that EXPECT the full sized screen, they are out of luck- sorry developers.
Can the wallpapers change over time, like the desktop?
The search for Marilyn Monroe was all flash, no bang. Sure, if you wanted MS choices of what THEY think is important, than you are golden. Me, I would rather choose for myself in a Google search, thank you.
Speaking of search, can you limit the search for just your programs(86) folder on your c: drive? Didn't think so.
There is so much more but I am getting pissed again over the whole Start screen... (start mantra) Start8...Start8...Start8...

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Sirius

I don't use Start 8 or any other "start menu" program. The Start Screen works just fine as a replacement for the menu. Fine if you don't like it, but you really don't need a start menu addon program to function. You can still have 20 windows open if you want. The programs you would be likely to use that you would want that many open at a time will still function that way. And they'll continue to function that way until and unless Microsoft deems it's time to drop the desktop GUI altogether. And by that time, you'll more than likely be able to do the same with the metro apps. Only the metro apps are currently limited to two, being bumped up to four in the 8.1 update. And your traditional browser and Office applications are not metro apps yet and thus do not suffer the current limitations. So I can multitask the same as I did in 7. I can have my wallpaper change over time as well if I like, that option is still there. The only thing that is really missing is the Start Button itself that's been so familiar since Windows 95, and the crappy ass resource hog known as Aero. I don't miss either, but I can understand them bringing the button back. Good riddance to Aero. The search will show you in groups currently. Whatever you search for, you can then choose to go to what it found in files, what it found in applications, what it found in the windows application store etc. Every time I read one of your posts, I keep coming to the same question.... "Have you even bothered to actually try and use Windows 8?" Because if you had, you'd know the answers to all your questions and/or problems. And by the way, what's the difference between the algorithms used to determine importance in Google versus Bing? If you've searched for the same terms on both engines, they actually come up with roughly the same links just presented differently. They are both adequate search engines and I really don't favor one or the other when it comes to their results. I really would expect better from someone like you given your age and supposed background and experience. But more and more you sound like an old man going to buy a car but doesn't buy one because it has a fancy Bluetooth streaming audio radio instead of a tape player radio.

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SPreston2001

If your system was being bogged down because of Aero then you dont need a new OS, you need a new computer lol. Aero may slow down some older desktops/laptops but my i7 rig and my Q9550 rig have never had any issues with Aero...

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John Pombrio

Heh, I am an old man and grouchy too! A technophobe I am not. I just do not like to spend time in reinventing the wheel when all I want is a result with as little overhead as possible. Simplifying (or dumbing down, your choice) the Windows experience is great for using a tablet but not for me.
I take it to mean that I have not used the Win8 START screen, I have been running Win8 exclusively since the release day of the first Beta (345 posts in eightforums). I should not really comment on the start screen as I have never really used it for long. When I do use it tho, I compare the results with the desktop and always find it wanting. It is also jarring to arbitrarily jump from one to another by the app itself. These are the major complaints that I read in most reviews of Win8 so I am not alone.

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methuselah

Dude, have you even used win 8?
Just install Classic Shell and you're all set.

All that jibe in the video is really catering to tablet users.
Us PC folk just hang around in the desktop.

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John Pombrio

meth, I have used Win8 since its earliest Beta. Start8 is a more refined version of Classic Shell. 100% desktop user so WHY am I complaining about the Start screen! As a eightforums poster wrote "if TIFKAM uses no resources and is easily bypassed, why is everyone complaining about it?". Good question.

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Jaeger_CDN

Why should you even have to resort to a 3rd party program to make your OS work?

Yes, Win8 under the hood has some improvements over Win7 but are they enough to deal with a radical change in GUI? At least in the years since windows was first introduced to Win7 there was a semi constant progression in the GUI, Win8 threw that out the proverbial window with a heavy hand.

Microsoft is even finding that enterprise companies are not even wanting to touch win8 and that is where the real money is not with home users.

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Sirius

Enterprise companies aren't going to 8 for the same reason that a lot of them didn't go to Vista. And it has little or nothing to do with how "bad" it's being perceived and everything to do with development cycles. It takes a long time for any enterprise to have their IT engineering team evaluate and test and bring an OS update rollout to the company. One of the largest businesses in the southeast didn't finish their XP rollout to the entire company until as late as 2006. And from what I hear, they are just now starting a rollout of Windows 7. Companies don't change operating systems every year or two like home users can and do. Too much time and investment goes into making sure that every scrap of software and equipment they use is compatible and won't cause a company wide breakdown. So don't blame the Win 8 hate hype as the reason enterprise isn't moving to 8, because some enterprises are, and others will skip this os version, and possibly the next as well, in favor of rolling out with a new OS on their schedule instead of Microsoft's.

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leetNightshade

It's not an issue of installing a 3rd party program to make the OS "work". It's simply installing a 3rd party program to make the OS do what you want it to do. This is true of any other OS, a Linux variant, Windows 7, Android, etc. An OS can't possible satisfy EVERYONE, so you need 3rd party apps to fill in something for those users who feel left out.

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PCWolf

Sadly, The Windows Blue (8.1) update will not fix the problems that are causing the majority of hate directed at Windows 8. Rumors & reports seem to suggest that the "Start Button" being introduced in 8.1 is nothing more than a FAKE start button, & has no Start Menu attached to it. It also does not have a "Boot to Desktop" feature. So you will all have to keep relying on 3rd party Software if you want those options. Microsoft seems intent on forcing this "OS Lemon" down our throats at any cost.

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FrostyWinnipeg

@PCWolf http://www.neowin.net/news/spotted-boot-to-desktop-for-windows-81-settings-pane

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Sirius

The thing is, they aren't forcing anyone. There are other, fully viable, os options out there. If you don't like it, stay with 7 and rock on. Or do what some are doing and explore the vastly open source world that is Linux.

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