Microsoft Rolls Out Windows 8 Developer Preview for Download

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marco5811

remember this is a pre-beta dev build. It's meant for developers to get there hands dirty with all the new features of Windows 8, that way when it comes up, there will be Apps ready to go, and devs will be comfortable with creating and maintaining those apps.<a href="http://e-stavkovekancelarie.com">stavkove kancelarie</a> . Thanks and wish all the bets to all

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don2041

This metro stuff reminds me of tandy deskmate only scrolling. I hope we can opt out of installing it on desktops to free up resourses for productive apps instead of eye candy.

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win7fanboi

Main reason people jumped on win7 right after vista was because vista was such a clusterfcuk. I think Microsoft is either being too optimistic thinking people would spend $$ for Win 8 or most likely they are just preparing themselves to not miss out completely on the tablet pc market. I think it is the later. Until and unless windows 8 is put through its paces and has enterprise/developer features that are missing from win7, it won't make a big market impact. It remember when people picked the 'downgrade to XP' option instead of vista when configuring a new machine.

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sammyd253

 

I agree with damicatz as well. After using the dev build for a little bit (on a laptop, not a tablet), my thoughts are that if this is the direction Win8 is taking, desktop/laptop users are better off with Win7. Of course, this OS is in it's very early stages and there's much more to come, but it feels very confusing already. Maybe it's just because I have no idea how to use Win8? I don't believe that though, as new OSes constantly aim for simplicity, striving for a more intuitive user experience. This just feels clunky and broken.

When launching a Metro style app, how the hell do I close it without going into Task Manager to kill it? Sure if I switch to the traditional desktop, it suspends the Metro style app (making sure no CPU is used), but it still takes up system memory. If I'm done using a Metro app, why the hell can't I close it? Why should I have to go through Task Manager to kill it. Put the damn "X" back in the top right, or is this a feature coming later that developers don't currently have access to?

I was also led to believe that you could either use the Metro UI in full, or the traditional desktop in full. Right now, this isn't the case. They work together, since the start menu has been replaced by a Windows button that launches the Metro UI. Can this be disabled, or is this just how Win8 works? It frustrates me that in order to launch an app, I have to use the Metro UI. Again, maybe I'm just missing something here?

 

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Zoandar

Thank you, Damicatz, for illustrating all the deets behind what I simply would have stated as 'It's UGLY, awkward, and doesn't belong on a PC'. I too feel that M$ has lost their collective mind, although they seem to have been working on that for decades. But on the flip side I am sort of glad they are shooting themselves in the foot. It will make it easier to see Android as a fully fledged desktop OS someday. :)

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damicatz

I think that Microsoft have completely taken leave of their senses.

The existing customer base of Windows are PC users.  The absolute majority of those use a mouse and keyboard.  Giving the middle finger to 95% of your customer base by saying that Windows 8 is "touch first" (which means they are second fiddle) is not a particularly bright idea.

Touch screens do not work for a desktops or laptops.  They do not work on displays that are oriented vertically.  This was tried before; HP had a touch screen desktop in 1983 and it tanked because trying to use a touchscreen on a monitor while seated at a desk quickly tires out your arms and is bad for posture (see : gorilla arms).

Even worse is that Microsoft is essentially alienating their corporate base.  You know, the companies that often times pay Microsoft hundreds of thousands or millions a year for software assurance?  Alienating your highest paying customers is a good way to go into financial ruin. 

The biggest problem, PR-wise, is that Microsoft is creating uncertainty because they either can't or won't communicate their long term plans. Referring to the desktop as "legacy" and "classic" implies that it is being deprecated.  Microsoft either needs to come out and say this is what they plan or say that the desktop is here to stay but straddling the fence like that is irresponsible.  Either tell us what your long term plans or stay quiet.  But don't give us tidbits of information that leave everything to guesswork as to what your long term plans are.

Other problems I have with Windows 8:

1.Metro is a terrible design for the desktop.  The "tiles" are overly large for a high resolution display.  In addition, the notion of "immersive" apps is regressive; if I wanted to only run full screen apps, one app at a time, I'd go back to using DOS.  In addition, horizontal scrolling with a Latin-based character set (or Hebrew, or Cyrillic, or any other numbers of alphabets) is *ALWAYS* a no-no.  Folks, this is interface design 101.  Horizontal scrolling is disruptive, often times confuses the user, and doesn't work with the scroll wheel (and if it does, then it's unintuitive because the scroll wheel is mounted vertically and down -> left up -> right does not compute).

2.Metro "apps" must be distributed through the app store.  Microsoft is gradually attempting to turn Windows into a closed platform.  This is the first step.  In order to distribute a Metro app, you must do it on Microsoft's terms, have Microsoft approve it and have Microsoft distribute it through the app store.  This is ostensibly being done as a "quality assurance" measure but it's really about giving Microsoft more control over your computer.  What happens when someone tries to release a Metro app that competes with Microsoft?  Or contains content that is not politically correct? 

3.Metro "apps" must have their code signed.  Code signing and PKI in general are a scam and I would hope that the recent incident with diginotar has demonstrated just how much of a joke the entire system is. 

You must buy a code signing certificate through an "approved" certification authority (read : those that have paid Microsoft enough money).  A code signing certificate is about $800 for two years.  Again, this is being done, ostensibly, for "quality assurance" and "security" but it's really just an extortion racket.  Anyone with sufficient money can get a code signing certificate with relative ease, including malware writers (remember that computer crime is a billions-of-dollars a year industry; these people can afford to keep buying new CS certificates and can afford to set up fronts to get them).

You can forget about open-source or hobbyist written metro apps; unless the developers are rich or are friends with someone who has a CS certificate, they won't be able to pay the $800 needed to get one of their own to sign their apps.  It was bad enough that Vista/7 did this with kernel-level drivers but doing it at the app level is inexcusable.

Another fun feature of code signing is that the certificates expire.  So, if you have an old version of a Metro "app" and the certificate expires, it will no longer run.  You better hope the app developer is still around and that, if they are, they provide a free update (rather than making you pay to upgrade to the latest version).

If people cared about security, they would use PGP.

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legacy2013

Obviously you haven't been paying much attention to the BUILD conference, or used the Dev Preview

 

1.) The Metro design is something you don't have to use on a desktop, the normal desktop is still there when you want it. I agree its not easy to close programs yet, but this is a pre-beta build, plenty of time to add stuff.

 

2.) This is just not true, developers have the ability to distribute through the App Store, but they are not required to.

 

3.) You do not need to use a CA to get a certificate for your metro apps. The is a CertSrv App right on teh MetroUI if your a developer where you can obtain certificates for your Metro Apps.

Also, remember this is a pre-beta dev build. It's meant for developers to get there hands dirty with all the new features of Windows 8, that way when it comes up, there will be Apps ready to go, and devs will be comfortable with creating and maintaining those apps. Also, al lot will change before launch

Please do a little more research and looking before ranting about things you, or anyone else, doesn't know much about.

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damicatz

1.When I click the start button, I get Metro.  I want to boot into the desktop and I don't want to see Metro.  Ever.  And when I click the start button, I want a start menu.  Not a full-screen monstrosity that pulls me out of what I am working on and disrupts my entire workflow.

2.Metro apps are exclusive to the app store.  Microsoft has said as much.  http://www.geekwire.com/2011/windows-store-exclusive-channel-metro-apps

3.The app store won't allow self-signed apps.  The CertSrv is for testing programs before you release them.

 

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SrKag

I agree Metro so far to me is useless on a desktop. No editing , rediculous just trying to find the shut down, no menus, just Metro  "USELESS"

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CaptainFabulous

Don't hold back damicatz, tell us how you really feel.

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AETAaAS

Got it hours after it came out and installed on an Acer 1825PTZ. Despite the pretty low spec of the laptop (1.3 GHz dual core without dedicated graphics), it runs smooth as butter. It boots rediclously fast as well (in part thanks to an SSD and few installed programs) but even so it is much faster than a fresh Windows 7 install.

I haven't had a WP7 device but the Metro UI is something I could easily get used to. There is a very good use of gestures in Win8 and the touchscreen is much easier to use than in Windows 7, since it has some form of error correction so you have more lee way when pushing the tiny buttons on non-tablet optimised programs.

One cool feature is the ability to split the screen 25/75 between the standard Windows UI and the Metro UI, which lets you keep an eye on everything you are doing.

Overall; great work so far, Microsoft. Hope to see more soon. :D

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grexxman

It's definitely going to take some getting used to.  Especially with the Metro Style menu replacing the Start Menu.  Who knows what will be added and removed throughout the next year though.  I've got high hopes so hopefully they won't be crushed...

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