Microsoft Responds To Windows 8/Linux Secure Boot Concerns, Fails To Alleviate Said Concerns

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dstevens

I was under the impression that monopolies were illegal in the USA... didn't Microsoft face that once before when they weren't half the giant they are now? What happened... oh ya bill gates signed on to the bilderberg group and all that went away I think

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h e x e n

Meh.

Used Ubuntu for a few months once. Went straight back to windows. I'm a huge gamer and sometimes do video creation/editing, word processing and other "work" type activities. For me, Windows has the best of both worlds, despite it being windows.

I appreciate that Linux is part of the mix though, if for nothing more than to compete with the big corporate OS's.

Still, like CaptainSteve said, it doesn't make an impact on me one way or the other. I couldn't care less if it came right down to it.

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einstein1971

Seriously, MPC quoted someone from a forum?  Are you kidding me?  Does Gordon know about this?  Okay, just an FYI, this is an Intel technology not something from Microsoft.  It also happens to be the same technology used by Apple and most modern Linux distros support this standard as well.  I mean the pretend tech journalists (like Brad) should actually do some journalism rather than reposting other peoples work or quoting unknown sources from random forums.  Seriously the quality of this site and others like it has gone really down hill.

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livebriand

As long as I know I can disable this if I need to, that's ok. Not a bad idea for the average noob - preventing malware. Again, if I can disable this if I need to I'm set.

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DarkMatter

Why cock-block a whole system? as double-edged this sword is I would be rather ticked off if I wanted to run ( God forbid ) Windows XP due to the fact there are no new drivers. (In this day and age if it works you keep using it till it falls apart!) Gonna be a S***Y day when you can't... my 2 cents plus blood money.

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DasHellMutt

Ok, I've had my daily dose of FUD. Moving on to topics that matter.

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Modred189

This is a HUGE non issue for may reasons:

1) Linux can go get some secure boot keys and utilize the same technology.

2) This is a hardware technology that Microsoft is leveraging, not the other way around. Think TPMs.

3) No one uses linux on the desktop anyway, so really who cares?

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NineRaven

I'm writing this from my Ubuntu desktop. I never use my windows partition unless I'm playing StarCraft or any other game. If your serious about doing anything else you should be using something else besides Windows.

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Captain_Steve

Posted from my desktop running Fedora 15. It was either this or one of the laptops running Fedora 15. My Windows computer is nothing more than a glorified gaming console; the only purpose Windows serves.

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Modred189

"The plural of anecdote is not data"

I'm happy that you work in an industry that allows you to use linux, or at least that your personal uses don't require it. But you have to realize you are the minority by a gaping margin. And i seriously hope you are being facetious with that last statement. Windows can do everything you linux box can, period, and more.

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Architek9

Windows is the best platform for gaming period.

However when you need to sit down and do some technical work or just want a powerful free,secure and open OS that isnt bloated linux is the best for that.

Posted from my ubuntu 10.04 machine running gnome2

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Captain_Steve

I run Linux because I got tired of much of the hassle of Windows on a day to day basis. When all I want to do is use the internet and perform standard office work, I want my OS to stay out of the way as much as possible. I don't need flashy desktops (I use Gnome) and I don't want to worry about re-starts and updates (If I want to re-start 3 months after an update, I will consider it; but don't ask me every four hours at most).

And of course, when Linux does everything Windows does (save for gaming and stuff programmed specifically to not run on Linux like Netflix) I don't have to spend $100 for an operating system when I build a computer.

When it comes down to the majority of computing tasks, Windows wins because it's familiar and it's what people know. This is why Microsoft can get away with so much, because the majority of people don't even recognize what is happening, and even if they knew they wouldn't care.

TL;DR: XKCD Said it best

http://xkcd.com/934/

You can add Linux in there too

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chronium

I'm confused can you still install windows 8 on a computer that doesn't have UEFI?

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big_montana

Yes you can. UEFI equpped machines advantage is faster boot times for one.

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livebriand

Windows 7 actually didn't work properly if you enabled UEFI (for booting). I tried that - I got an error halfway through setup every time. Once I set it to 'Legacy BIOS only', it worked on the first try. Supposedly Windows 8 is flawless though with it, according to others.

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iNNeR_KaoS

I love how people are basically stating "M$ is trying to hold back Linux!"

It's a security feature. If you can't unlock the it in the UEFI, don't buy it. People keep forgetting that voting with your wallet is the best way to be heard.

Not everything is made for everyone. If the UEFI didn't have this feature, people would say "Windows 8 is just another unsecure piece of crap". You can't please them all.

Besides, how many elite Linux users will buy hardware required for Windows 8? Developers, maybe.

Also, the Linux community is smart. They'll figure a way around it, or even integrate it into their own security features.

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Nimrod

Yeah because no has to use computer for their work or anything and its total fucking legit to just not buy one if they need windows right?

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iNNeR_KaoS

I think you missed the last part. The Linux community is smart. If they can't join it, they'll beat it.

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someuid

The unmentioned concern is that Microsoft, like all other large entities, try their best to remove your 'vote with your wallet' option.  They are constantly looking for ways to subvert that option.  Everything from restrictive license agreements, tying product lines together (think the deep integration between Windows and IE), price fixing, restrictive agreements with other businesses (if you bundle a competing OS, we won't give you favorable pricing on ours) and a whole other raft of tricky processes that we rarely hear of.

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Eoraptor

What Someuid says rings dreadfully true. Think about how many ISPs have clauses that say they can pretty much do whatever they damned well please with your terms of serive without notice, and try voting with your wallet in that case. the only vote you have left is no service whatseoever, or theft.

Already Apple cripples your hardware if your running iOS, and that's just a smartphone or a maxipad. Imagine when they, like Microsoft, decide that you're not allowed to use your much more powerful laptop or desktop as you see fit?

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don2041

Of coarse Microsoft would prefer that all computers be Microsoft only and will only run Microsoft software. Want to play monopoly anyone.

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LatiosXT

Wait... So where do these so called UEFI secure boot keys come from?

Also this seems to only effect machines if you buy them from an OEM, like Dell. There's no word if you build the machine yourself that you'll be locked out. Because I'm pretty sure if you locked out all hardware, there would be a riot.

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Modred189

The UEFI Forum, see the article.

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Neufeldt2002

I have no doubt in my mind that OEM's and MS will lock down the UEFI. It will probably come in the form of an EULA update from MS that states in order to use MS Windows the Secure Boot must be enabled and the option to disable removed from the UEFI screen. Thankfully, I build my own systems which makes this point moot, but I worry about those that can't (or don't want to) build their own systems that want to run Linux. I can see this being especially troubling on laptops.

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Modred189

Few people that run linux on the desktop (are there any left? If there are, does it matter?) buy systems from OEMs (like yourself), so I don't think it will be much of an issue at all. 

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DarkMatter

Yes it does matter.

There are some of us that preffer to run linux on the desktop. All my multimedia is created using linux a couple main linux distros. For Microsoft or ANY os manufacture to find a way to cock-block a user for legitimately installing a OS of his or her choice should be boiled in oil.

Can Linux distro makers get keys to allow for installation ? Sure I think that is totally fair since it is a form of protection to the end user. But to be daft enough to even glibly think that a matter like this is a non issue is like telling a die-hard windows user to use a Mac Based PC because of all the security issues we read about daily.

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Modred189

See, that's the thing, all the linux distro has to do is go out and get a key from the UEFI forum.

And by matter, I wasn't necessarily referring tothose that do use it. I was referring to the industry as a whole (desktop PCs). 

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