Microsoft Responds to Windows 8 Backlash From Game Developers

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bensen408

I'm sticking with Windows7. FU Microsoft. No way I'm dumping Win7 for the albatross you call Windows8.

Windows Vista = WinME
Windows 7 = Windows XP
Windows 8 = Vista

Call me when you want Windows 9 beta tested.

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dethdeks

" Users will also be able to buy games for their Xbox on the PC, and queue them for downloading on the console."

so in other words they are going to take xbox.com and intergrate it into win 8... ooh look a new feature...oh wait its just a bait and switch, looks like they are pulling an apple on that one.

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praack

wow nice response from Microsoft,

what they actually say is that all games will need to be Games for Windows brand or Xbox branded,

all will be installed off the app store for - what is it 30%?

so no more steam, origin, GOG or other library - as the individual game needs to be in the app store for download with Games for Windows DRM

so yup just lake Newell said - Catastrophe!

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xmichaelx

"what they actually say is that all games will need to be Games for Windows brand or Xbox branded"

No, they didn't say that at all. You'll still be able to install and run whatever software you want, just as you've always been able to.

But if you want to be part of the MS Games Store, that's a different story.

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someuid

Their major concern is that this is a complete replay of the Netscape vs Internet Explorer fiasco.

MS will make sure Xbox Live is front and center and will always run without any issues.

Patches on Win8 will 'accidentally' break Steam, Origin, Battle.net, etc.

Xbox Live will be able to read info from Steam and Origin and Battle.net like friends lists and game scores and achievements, but they'll block Steam, et al out of doing the same. This will leave lots of people thinking Xbox Live is better than Steam, et al. and they'll just us it.

This is bad for us all. MS has, is and will continue to use their OS to force their way into other markets and take a marjority of sales, then let the market segment stagnate (for example, IE6) and attempt to hijack open standards (HTML, Java).

MS is a horrible company run by ruthless business managers who don't give two hoots about technology and the customer.

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ApathyCurve

About 14 months ago, I stopped purchasing games which require GFWL. It's a disaster for the consumer. I have received more headaches and frustration from it than from any other DRM scheme. And make no mistake here: GFWL is DRM, regardless of how Microsoft tries to spin it. Any benefit it may convey (I've found none) is purely secondary in nature as far as Microsoft is concerned.

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steve771

'Modern UI'? Are you kidding? It looks like something a first grader produced. Sit back and watch Microsucks screw over Joe Consumer (again).

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vrmlbasic

If this could let me play any PC game with a Xbox counter part in cross-platform multiplayer so I could game with my "unwashed heathen" friends who still persist in using consoles despite the clear PC advantages, then I could be mildly interested.

If I get to game in full 1080+ glory with minimal load times from SSDs, mouse aiming, and greatly reduced lag, my interest is piqued. Of course, I realize this isn't likely, and if it were to be, how would it work with games that I didn't buy from their "app store" ?

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h e x e n

To put it as bluntly as possible:

I don't want XBOX garbage on my PC, period. I don't like its interface, I don't like the Live marketplace, I don't like the crappy box it comes in, and I don't appreciate the 100% failure rate of the hardware. The 360 is quite possibly the biggest commercial scam Microsoft has ever perpetrated on the populace of the world. I don't want any aspect of this piece of shit on my PC.

Windows 8: A needless and unnecessary downgrade to Windows 7! Order now and get your extra special draconian software, absolutely free of charge!!!

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Rift2

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maxeeemum

Lets see! I don't need a tablet, won't ever buy a M$ phone or Surface and I certainly don't own a red ring of death console (Xbox). I know a guy at work who is on his third 360. I have a Playstation. Microsoft's idea that people want everything M$ is just crazy. It ain't gonna happen!

They tried this with Windows Media Center. M$ thought everybody would use it to control their living room entertainment. That didn't happen! I guess they'll never learn. Windows 8 what a joke!

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maxeeemum

Out of curiosity and no disrespect can I ask why you still use Xbox 360. Are they replaced under warranty?

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maxeeemum

Thanks!

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John Pombrio

"Lock down Windows 8". Ahh, I finally see what the developers are so upset about. They don't care about how Windows 8 RUNS as long as they are not cut out of the market. Let's say MS only allows certain games to be downloadable on their app store, cutting into Steam's revenue stream. Or Bliz has to pay MS for WoW to be started in Metro. THAT'S why they are bitchin'
As far as Win8 is concerned, it plays all my games just fine so that cannot be the reason.

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jaygregz

So windows 8 has a built in web store which people can buy from and therefor Microsoft gets a premium on everything that is sold there. I can see why some game developers wouldn't like this. People who are computer illiterate will probably use the store a lot because of it's ease of access. I would imagine though that the mass of computer gamers these days no matter if we like to admit it or not will always go to whatever online store has our desired game. Titles sell themselves. A huge example of this is every single game that is on the Origin store. Everyone knows that the origin store is a peace of garbage. Yet people line up credit cards in hand to purchase titles like Mass Effect. The easy solution for game developers then is just not to list your game on the Microsoft Store. Your game will sell no matter what online outlet you use. Even if your only selling from your website. If none of the best titles are on the Microsoft store or people can find a cheaper deal elsewhere then the Microsoft store will be irrelevant.

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loozer

If only steam would come preinstalled on new computers....

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Cregan89

What the hell is the difference between Steam and the Windows Store? They're literally the exact same thing. They're app stores. Steam is even adding nongaming software to Steam as well! (http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/08/valve-expands-with-nongaming-software/)

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Carlidan

OMFG Totally freaking agree. Steam is just like freaking Microsoft. They are both a digital store front. You can only use their software on their software. So what the difference. It's now that Microsoft into this market segment. Google, EA, Apple have already doing it. Why wouldn't they. :(

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spokenwordd

I for one want nothing to do with console gaming and despise Games for Windows Live with a passion. Integration between PC and console gaming will result in nothing good for PC gamers. Console hardware will never keep pace with PC gaming hardware and therefore any attempt to play cross community is a waste of time.

Hey MS how about you just stick to making the desktop OS be desktop OS centered and anyone that wants to buy one of your consoles can do that as well.

I'm getting so sick of devs doing console ports to PC with garbage reults too. I'm looking right at you Activision/Radical for that horrible port Prototype 2 with the mouse bindings locked down. Some of us down wanna game with a damn controller.

Alright I've vented for the day. Just hope venturing into Win 8 doesn't become a headache. I'm building a new gaming rig and am torn as to whether I should go Win 8 or stay with trusty Win 7. Somehow I just don't trust MS to do right with this overly ambitious vision they have to unify these platforms.

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psycoking

Oof, you're in a hard place to be right now, buying new hardware and not knowing which version of Windows to get with it. Most of us are probably use to upgrading to the latest version of Windows as soon as it comes out, so it feels kind of strange to buy a new license for Win 7 when Win 8 is right around the corner.

Opinions about Windows 8 seem to be split about 50/50 between those who love it and those who hate it, so before you make either purchase I would recommend that you try out Windows 8 on your new PC, to see which camp you lie in. You can get the release preview for free from Microsoft's website:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/release-preview

I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview for a few months now, and I can tell you that I really, really dislike it. I personally can't wait to reinstall Windows 7, but who knows if you'll feel the same way ^_^

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spokenwordd

Actually I'm running a dual boot Win 7 Ult and Win 8 Con Prev on my gaming laptop right now. Thing is after getting over the start button and Metro issues I love the speed and stability improvements. At this point I guess I can't really lose going Win 8 on the new build as retail Win 8 is $69.

Thing is if they do anything creepy I can always grab a Win x64 ProOEM license I guess. The good thing is that Win 8 runs all my games etc at this point so I guess it's win/win so far. The Xbox integration and potential for lock down has me worried a bit.

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brettskiness

So if xbox live will be on windows 8. Then say if I had mw2 on my pc and my friend has the same game on xbox, could we play each other?

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Khoiboi

I highly, highly doubt that. A while back, I think it was Microsoft that tried it, but they tried to integrate PC FPS games with their Console versions. It became so imbalanced that Console gamers created private rooms and kicked out all PC gamers because the mouse + keyboard was just such a better interface for FPS that console gamers weren't even a challenge. It's like racing cars between a Zonda and a Honda. Even players with skill were being pissed on by PC gamers because the controller was just too restrictive.

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spokenwordd

Exactly, I still don't get how people play FPS with a game control when they could be dominating with a mouse + keyb. The cross play would NEVER work.

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Carlidan

FPS games are meant to be played with keyboard and mouse. I thought you can get a mouse and keyboard for the xbox though.

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brettskiness

Zonda vs Honda. I like the ring of that lol.

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Wingzero_x

I'm not so sure, since us PC users tend to do like so many Honda drivers and install all those performance mods to get the extra 4hp/100mHz. And I really wouldn't compare a console to a Zonda. Maybe a PT Cruiser.

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Chronologist

But in pve games it'd be great. Actually, it IS great. Portal 2 allowed pc players to game with ps3 players, and I loved it. And the psn/steam account linkage was very smooth. Could start campaign on either device and finish it on the other.

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brettskiness

Yeah I wish we could at least have the option to play our friends on xbox you know? At least have that option open or divide up the multiplayer network between xbox-only, pc-only, and mixed.

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illusionslayer

I don't understand why everyone's freaking out about gaming on w8.

The only restriction that it will impose is that people who want to develop for ARM tablets will have to sign up to publish in windows store.

This is not a change from existing tablet options.

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jonnyohio

I think some devs who put out DLC and other content for their games are worried that Microsoft is pushing Xbox platform over others by forcing pc users into an Xbox live envirinment, which probably means Microsoft will want some sort of fee for digital distribution on the windows platform, which means game devs will not be free to distribute their games digitally how they want to (I.e. via steam) if Microsoft decides to lock it down more, which they could easily do. They may even be faced with being forced to use Xbox live servers for online multiplayer games, which means you as the consumer might end up paying a monthly fee for Xbox live gold in order to play online. Given the fact that MS pulled some rather underhanded tactics in the past by using there OS to stifle competition in other areas, it is a concern.

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jonnyohio

Double post

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Chronologist

+1

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majorsuave

If I can run my old apps, it means I can run Steam.... and continue to buy on it? Or can't I?

I would have absolutely no second though on switching to Linux if Windows becomes as "closed" as iOS is when it comes to 3rd party apps.

I love Steam and I also love to download apps from any source (no pun intended but there ya go) I like.

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jonnyohio

You can for now I guess, but down the road enjoy paying for Xbox live and having to buy your games from xbox live on pc once microsoft clamps down and says "steam is a violation of our license agreement, you must use Xbox live to distribute your digital content on windows 8". MS is not beyond pulling such fast ones, but I don't see how it would help them any...they'd probably get sued again.

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Chronologist

I think everyone's freaking out about nothing. PC Gaming is such a big thing going for microsoft, any attempt to actually try to lock it down would be met with strong opposition. It's kind of like how Intel wanted to get rid of PCI-e slots; such a radical change will never happen.

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Philippe Lemay

"With Xbox on Windows 8..."

Woah woah, wait. Will this mean I can finally play the Halo games on my computer? Or do I still have to buy a whole damn console just to finish the damn franchise?

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psycoking

You'll still have to buy the console. "Xbox" is just a brand name now. Anything Microsoft related to gaming (PC or otherwise) will now carry the Xbox brand.

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Sir Hobbes3

console meets pc: BOOM! Bad idea Microsoft, the article is right that Consoles and PCs are very distinct communities.

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Hilarity

Microshit should allow 360 and Xbox games to be played on the PC. They should build an official emulator. For that I would buy Win 8.

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Chronologist

Do you even know what an emulator does?

Emulation is essentially what Java does; it creates a virtual computer, if you will, inside your own computer. That's why java is so popular; using it allows you to play games across multiple platforms; ex Minecraft + runescape, without developing a port.

Downside, is that it's very inefficient, and power-consuming.

Now creating a virtual xbox 360 inside our own computers, to play hd titles, is very much beyond what we have right now. We barely have working ps2/xbox emulators right now.

So basically, you're asking microsoft to build you a supercomputer so you will consider buying windows 8.

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Hilarity

PS2/Xbox are barely working because the developers do not get paid. If I paid you by the hour and gave you access to the guts of Windows you'd shit out an emulator within a year. A company like Microshit has the financial support to create an emulator. They design the OS and they can design an efficient emulator.

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aarcane

you are correct in that emulating a distinct processor does have significant overhead. However, xbox and xbox 360 games are in fact binary compatible with standard x86 PCs. The kernel on the devices is even very similar to the desktop windows kernels. The major differences are at the API level. Windows could easily support xbox and 360 games at native (or better) speeds on any desktop only slightly more performant than the console in question. Anyone with a modern processor and a competent GPU would have no issues. All microsoft would need provide is a launcher/wrapper interface that provides the following:

1) core & essential xbox(360) APIs -- anything that's not a part of standard windows directx, including loading and filesystem access
2) Hardware interface configuration -- Which sound card, monitor, controllers, etc.
3) a pretty X button to close it when you're done

Once loaded into an environment with access to the proper APIs and hardware, the code can execute at native speed on the x86 processor.

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Andacious

+1 for using Computer Science

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Chronologist

Isn't that basically console-porting, not emulation?

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jaygregz

Microsoft COULD make it easier for game developers to port console games to PC by providing a shell/wrapper to do so. I actually see this as a disservice to Microsoft though because that means that less people would buy into their Consoles. Also they would not be receiving the added revenue from Xbox Live. Of course they could integrate an xbox live type service into the PC but people are a lot less likely to pay for it on a computer than on a console.

So.. basically.. it's not going to happen.

Them talking about integrating Xbox and the PC is just their way of saying they will allow you to do lame things people don't even care about (IE- Check your gamerscore, play with your avatar, and view your friends list).

I do want to add a prediction though. I predict that Microsoft will integrate a type of technology into their next game console that allows you to use your PC as a secondary monitor of sorts for your Xbox Games. It won't allow you to play your game on your computer monitor but it will be something similar to the screen on nintendos new console. It will allow you to view your mini maps, your inventory.. stuff like that. That is my prediction.

I also predict that the next Xbox console will cost $600. They will also allow you to make payments.

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John Pombrio

Wouldn't it just be easier to make the Next XBox a PC in lock down mode? Strip it down, use an Intel or AMD processor, ram, hard drive, and a GPU. Make the BIOS inaccessible and POOF! You have a new XBox that is completely PC compatible. Cross compatibility and can play a game on either one...

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aarcane

+John Pombrio: That's what the xbox already is. it just has different software that's not directly compatible.

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Chronologist

Do you even know what an emulator does?

Emulation is essentially what Java does; it creates a virtual computer, if you will, inside your own computer. That's why java is so popular; using it allows you to play games across multiple platforms; ex Minecraft + runescape, without developing a port.

Downside, is that it's very inefficient, and power-consuming.

Now creating a virtual xbox 360 inside our own computers, to play hd titles, is very much beyond what we have right now. We barely have working ps2/xbox emulators right now.

So basically, you're asking microsoft to build you a supercomputer so you will consider buying windows 8.

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Edwincnelson

I like to game on my Xbox and my PC although I would say I play 70% or more on the PC. I can't see how a tighter integration between the two would be a bad thing. I have a Windows Phone, a Xbox, and a Windows PC and after I get a Windows 8 tablet I should have pretty good cross platform integration on the OS level rather than through 3rd party applications. That's pretty convenient and I already have some games crossing over from my phone to the other platforms. Looking forward to the future.

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