Microsoft at Odds with PC Makers Over Windows 8 Strategy

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Yeah, I figured that :)

But true nonetheless

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DoctorX

you do realize that there is different bootloader since vista right? if you want xp alongside with win8,7,vista you have to install xp first then the newest last. Always been that way.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

I DON'T want to Dualboot!

Can I please do what I WANT on MY COMPUTER?

I was deleting Windows 8 partitions with my XP CD so I could install XP without Windows 8 malware

Diddn't work!

I thought you would understood that point by reading my post

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Servant

Word's out. Windows 8 sucks.

Overcome that. LMAO!

;o)

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Engelsstaub

Silencer...what's poppin', bro?

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Servant

Thought I'd pop-in!

Windows 8's so juicy!

I see it's about the same as always lately.

How about you?

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Engelsstaub

Aw, you know: jus' chillin' ...giving the people what they want.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Hey Redmond

Get the Fuck off our computers

If you want to put your crap on our hardware, make your garbage work with our hardware

Don't tell everyone to support Monopolysoft so you can control everything into perpetual perpetuity and beyond

If you can't play nice, take your fucking toy and go home

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Cleaver

Remember that article a while back where Steve Ballmer in an interview was asked "So what are Microsoft's plans if Windows 8 is not recieved well?" and his response was "Oh, people are going to like Windows 8. You'll see."

I don't know why he thought that no backup plan was necessary, or how that was a confidence-boosting response.

I, for one, like windows 8 for the amount of times I have played around with it, but my desktop still runs 7 proudly. My love affair with 7 is not going to change anytime soon.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

It's called hubris and Steve Ballmer might as well have invented the word.

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Slowmo

Let's see. They'll still force desktop users without a touchscreen to default to Metro. They will keep a naming convention to confuse consumers about what software it can run, rt. The store salespeople can tell them. After 4 months I'm sure the manufactures have forgotten about Microsoft advising them to build lame tablets so they could launch a better one. And lastly rumor has it that they are already on a major rework to be pushed out in October.

Yeah, I'm sure a reboot with surface pro will fix everything.

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Crazyhorse

"the fundamental problem...is that consumers never asked for touch-capable desktops or a bunch of overpriced hybrids to begin with."

The boys in Redmond never seem to learn from their mistakes!! F#*@ 'em, Win8 is a product that serves no purpose.

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strangelove9

So, M$ says the OEMs should have been more interested in making Win8 tablets? While knowing that M$ themselves were going to put out their own hardware with the newfangled OS?

Yeah... good luck!

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xXSINS OF WARXx

And the Microsoft Windows 8 bashing will begin in 3...2...1...

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PDX-1337

I don't get what the big deal is, I'm running Win8 on all my computers and don't have any issues. I've heard all the arguments against it, and the start menu is not gone it's just different, don't like full-screen tablet style apps on your desktop? Don't use them. Other than that, it's a speedier version of Windows 7. I know I won't win an argument with all the Win8 haters, which is fine, I'm just surprised at the level of negativity over what really are small changes to an OS that gained speed along the way.

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Paper Jam

Let's look at it from the other direction. They pushed out an incremental update with a drastically different UI shortly after the release of their first good offering in over a decade, and now they are panicking because it isn't flying off the shelf. Metro is, for the most part, love it or hate it. Windows 7 is mostly just loved, and what a lot of average people were waiting for to upgrade their old XP machines. And the ones wanting a tablet have already bought an iPad or cheap Android. Windows 8 is just too early on the desktop front and late to the mobile scene.

And the negativity is because those of us that don't love Metro really really hate it. Sorry.

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PDX-1337

That's the thing, I don't see it as a drastically different UI. They changed how you fetch your programs, and how you search for items, but that's pretty much it. Other than that you can go on your merry way using the desktop like you always have.

I will totally agree with you though, people either love or hate the Metro/Start Page or whatever it's called, I wonder if there would have been an option (besides having to get an app for it) to use a Win7 style Start menu (which I think there should be, even though I like it, but I understand not everyone does), if all of this negative madness would have been bypassed...

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Paper Jam

If MS had included a native option to boot to the desktop and return the traditional Start Menu, it would have at least eliminated a major gripe hear on MaxPC. But MS, in their infinite wisdom, decided that pushing their unified UI was more important. For me, I just find it unappealing on the PC, but on the Xbox it is terrible. Counter intuitive, loaded with ads (even though I pay for a Gold account), and generally just childish. If the original dashboard hadn't been so bad, I would miss it. In trying to force feed me Metro, they are driving me away.

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danwat1234

Yeah it really is Windows 7 with efficiency enhancements and a new version of Windows Explorer and Task Manager, IE10(which windows 7 is getting) and Metro and the Refresh / Reset functions.

Start8 pushes Metro aside so it's no longer annoying. Windows 8 is polished I like it

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Peanut Fox

If you want something done right...

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wintercoder

I agree. That is why they came out with the Surface. We've had two since its release.. it blows away android based and iPad tablets in virtually every way, except one... The Microsoft store does not have nearly as many completely useless, foolish apps as do the others.

The OEMs were getting lazy... expecting Microsoft to provide the innovation. Innovation can be hard to profit from... just ask HP about WebOS.

Not only did Microsoft provide the innovation, but according to this article, also gave the OEMs the roadmap to success.

I think it is the OEMs fault for being so stubborn. But I also think that the retailers, specifically BB, are hugely at fault for their extremely poor retail placement of Windows 8 tablets. With the 'Apple Island' located in each store, the blue shirts aggressively dissuade customers from PC purchases.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I think we all know by know that you have a raging hard on for Best Buy employees and you think them responsible for all the ills of the PC world. I'm sure they probably think the world of you as well.

Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves and now they're doing their absolute best to copy the Apple model to the letter. Unfortunately for them, they'll never be able to acquire that last piece of the puzzle which is controlling all of the hardware that their softwares resides on.

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wintercoder

Last thing first... It is pretty clear that when a software company shames a hardware company at the hardware company's own game then you should applaud the software company and lecture the hardware company about its lackluster efforts. Microsoft is merely attempting to lead by example. If the hardware company doesn't want to follow and benefit from Microsoft's investments, then it's their loss.

First thing last... Oh no.. you've got it wrong. I spend a very large sum of money with BB. They serve a purpose and are a needed resource. I simply don't respect their apparent corporate alliance with Apple... which is a company I have no respect for.

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