Microsoft at Odds with PC Makers Over Windows 8 Strategy

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illusionslayer

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.

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r3dd4wg

Reboot it! I don't care. I hope it blue screens to death. LOL.

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pastorbob

Hate to disappoint you but I've been running it on three systems since its release and haven't seen even one blue screen or lockup.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

"haven't seen even one blue screen or lockup."

Same with XP if you know what you're doing

and you can run more software on XP

and you can record what you hear in XP

and you can make XP much more secure than 7 or 8 if you use driveshield

and you can see what Microsoft components are making backdoors through your firewall in XP but not in 7 or 8 (Hint: > Security Essentials)

and XP doesn't monitor everything you install

and...

oh forget it, you're not listening anyway

just keep drinking the cool-aid

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pastorbob

"Same with XP if you know what you're doing"

True, but I didn't say XP crashed and I didn't move away from XP for that reason.

"and you can run more software on XP"

Moot point for me since Windows 8 runs any software that I want to run. And some apps that I use regularly will not run under XP.

As far as your usual conspiracy theory rants I always find them quite amusing.

I think I'll have another glass of cherry Kool-Aid.

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Scatter

Another CEO who blames everyone else for when his ideas don't catch on or just plain suck. Here's a idea, sell the customer something that they want, not what you say we want.

for the record, I HATED Windows 8 when I first installed it. I HATE the new Start screen. I eventually installed Start Is Back' and have grown to accept it. I just can't understand Microsoft's refusal to not make the old Start button a option that can be turned on and off.

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iheartpcs

Microsoft's fault. 100%

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Pacal

I used Win8 as my main OS for a while and found it more than tolerable after a few days of messing with it. I eventually went back to Win7 after needing to "refresh" Win8 for the 3rd time after it decided my gtx 670 didn't exist anymore.

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somethingelse

"...rebooting the launch of Windows 8 is not going to solve the fundamental problem that exists, which is that consumers never asked for touch-capable desktops or a bunch of overpriced hybrids to begin with."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I think Microsoft needs to wait till PC/Notebook sales start picking up again before expecting anything radical from OEMs. It's not that Windows 8 sucks, it's just the timing of the release couldn't have come at a worse time...but then again, if they wait too long, Google and Apple will run away with bigger market share.

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thematejka

Part of Microsoft's problem is a more diverse market. There are many companies than there used to be to compete with Windows. Some are free, some are simpler, some are more customizable, etc. They all have their own flavors. It is becoming increasingly hard to dazzle anybody with so many companies vying for our attention. The funny thing is, despite all the diversity, this is basically a Windows vs. Linux war. Google, Apple, and other OS producers are capitalizing off of essentially the same open-source system.

With more diversity comes a new virtue in business: Choice. Some companies want to be #1 and the only one. We know who those are. On the other hand, the virtue of 'Choice' allows one to concede that all these competitors are good, that they build on each other, push each other to innovate. Also, the bonus of being able to choose whatever product that tickles your fancy is a nice touch.

With diversity and choice, people realize the possibilities, but manufacturers have to work harder to work together and deliver satisfying products. With a 'one rule' company, it is easy to deliver products. I can understand, apart from the allure of money, why companies would want to control the market outright.

Microsoft used to be a common name, not so much anymore. In the light of 'Choice,' I do enjoy my Windows. Windows 8 was a cheap upgrade and useful for me as an IT Workers. For others...It is really a waste of money. Why buy a new axe when your old one is still sharp?

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Jox

Microsoft tried to come up with a new ploy, but they could not hatchet!

-Jox

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PCWolf

Reboot Windows 8??? Oh Pleaseeeeeee!! What they going to call it? Windows 8.5? Windows 8+? In it's current form, Windows 8 with its lame Metro UI & its color tiles only appeals to PC Noobs, Gays, Social Media Addicts & Children.

If Microsoft wants me to buy Windows 8, it must give me the option to choose what version to boot in when installing. Windows 7 Desktop Mode with Classic menus & Start Button, or Windows 8 with it's tablet UI Mode. I don't need to be forced to use a Touch Interface when I don't even have a Touch Screen Monitor.

Stop Blaming OEM'S for the fail of Windows 8! Rebooting it won't help & neither will that planned $200 price tag. Stupid Microsoft.

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mywonderapple

Although I agree with most of what you say, obviously the metro user interface is aimed at "less advanced" PC users and younger people... but please don't immaturely discriminate against homosexual people, just because someone is gay doesn't mean they want big flashy colored tiles that's called stereotyping... and before you ask no I am not gay I am straight.

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Jacker

If you're so worried about gays being discriminated against, then you should start letting society treat everyone and there stereotypes equally.

Its just that people like you think some groups should be treated better than others. Always drawing lines in the sand wonder why we all cant get along.

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loud681

HATERS REV DEM ENGINES UP

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Bullwinkle J Moose

I think Maximum PC has finally found the magic elixer to get their readers back

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Paper Jam

Windows 8, the gift that keeps on giving.

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vistageek

I don't think these are the same readers they had before.

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Electrik

Rage?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Apparently

Lets ask the machine.....

Hey Ballmer, was that the big plan?

Just get everyone talking about Windows 8?

Well....
Mission Accomplished!

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Gauntylgrym

So MS admits that even their launch of W8 resulted in a BSoD? **snicker**
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I hope the reboot is met with equal disdain. I'll keep my W7, thank you very much. I think it's just about perfect.

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PCWolf

I would not put it past MS to start creating patches to slowly kill windows 7 by making it perform worse & less unstable. Forcing people to upgrade to that POS windows 8.

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Dexter243

There is no need for Microsoft on tablets there not gaming rigs and gaming is the only and i meen only thing keeping windows in my house
and for tuch screen tablets android all ready works and will do every thing any one wanted to do on a tablet
why would i buy a windows tablet when i can buy a ipad or android tablet that has more bells and whistles then i could ever use
Besides windows 8 will not even play a freeking dvd movie what a joke and as of jan 31st you will have to buy windows media player from the app stoor for $20 because microse wants to save $2 on every copy of win 8 that is sold and all i see is linux growing and growing with even gamers now that steam suports lunux
Microsoft time is over and will disipear off in to the sunset

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PCWolf

While I am a Windows 7 User, & I fully support Linux & its open source environment, you Linux Lovers have been preaching the end of Windows for years now. Sorry, It's never going to happen. Linux is for Advanced Users. To use a car Analogy, Stick Shift may be better, but most people still prefer to drive Automatics.

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Jox

"Linux is for Advanced Users. To use a car Analogy, Stick Shift may be better, but most people still prefer to drive Automatics."

This is true, but only to an extent... For the vast majority of Windows users, Windows may as well be Linux, at least when things go wrong. Many people have no idea how to fix a broken Windows box, which is why Staples and Best Buy make so much money from their "experts". If you can operate a mouse, you can USE Linux. You may not be able to get down into the nuts and bolts of it, but the average Windows user suffers from the same limitation. As Dexter243 said, the ONLY leverage Microsoft has is game support. Once they lose that, I suspect that will be the end of Microsoft (as we know it).

-Jox

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Hey.That_Dude

A more attractive Windows 8 would have allowed boot to desktop and made it impossible to run the new OS on any screen resolution smaller than 1080p (and maybe even increased support of resolution up to 4k so that i could plug into next gen TVs and junk).

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danwat1234

Guys, I've been using Windows 8 for a few days now, it is pretty nice. They've done a good job at making the system more efficient, using a bit less RAM than before, hardly any more hard disk space used than Windows 7 and it boots up even quicker. The new task manager is useful and the Refresh and Reset functions make life easy and the "Cancel or Allow" dialog boxes pop up quicker now.

But Metro sucks, especially if you can't keep it out of the way!
Solution; Buy Stardock Start8 for $5 and you can have the Windows 7 start menu back including the jump lists (lists of recently opened files by programs). You can even change the start menu button graphic to the green button just like Windows XP. H0t.

WIndows 8 is nice if you can hide Metro. But if you have Windows 7 I wouldn't pay for Windows 8, the enhancements aren't that necessary.

The sooner Microsoft realizes that they should let Metro be able to be shut off, the more they will sell.

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Mekan

Why should I pay $200 for a product that sucks so hard I have to buy a workaround at the get go?

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angryone

All Microsoft has to do is allow Windows 8 users to bypass the start screen and boot directly to the desktop if they want, and put the start menu back. That is it. The users with a touch screen can use the start screen and desktop users can use the desktop. It would be an easy fix and Windows 8 sales would take off. But Microsoft wants to force people into something they don't like, want or need, and then blame others for its failure to sell.

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livebriand

EXACTLY! Why is this so hard for Microsoft to understand? Shit doesn't sell. Period.

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m35g35

Googled to bypass the metro ui and found an answer in a few minutes. There is more complaining than being technical.

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PCWolf

You sir, are 100% correct! *Thumbs up*

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USraging

If they can only make metro or win8 interface not cover my whole screen when trying to get to some of my applications than i would be in. windows 8 does not seem very effective at multitasking.

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pastorbob

"windows 8 does not seem very effective at multitasking."

Are you for real? I use Windows 8 on a daily basis. At any given moment I might have Powerpoint, Word, IE 10, Thunderbird, and Logos 5 all open at the same time. I open them all from the Start Screen. I cut and paste and switch between them without any problems at all. And running in the background is Crashplan doing my daily backup.

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Servant

"windows 8 does not seem very effective at multitasking"

Excuse me...

ROFLMFAO!

OK, I'm better!

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minnow4

Yes!! He arose.

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jgottberg

Silncer... You are back. What happened? Did your entire existence get deleted from the other site you were on after it happened on this one?

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DoctorX

you need help.... metro sucks and is terrible for multitasking...

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Servant

you need help.... you assume sht, and wrongly, and often too.

otherwise some decent posts.

laughing at metro!

;o)

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captainjack

At least the Doc isn't disliked by the whole MPC community huh Silencer? I'm all for second chances but you obviously have no intention of being less annoying so please leave.

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Servant

So you speak for "the whole MPC community"?

That's funny. Perhaps I should post an excerpt from an email I got from MaximumPC?

ROFLMFAO!

I love you too!

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USraging

oh yeah, and the charms bar is annoying as hell to get to.

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Paper Jam

+1 to the charms bar sucking.

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stige

"windowsbutton + 'c'. most. annoying. thing. ever." - said no power user, ever

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ApathyCurve

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

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Vrmithrax

So, let me get this straight. Microsoft introduces Windows 8 into beta very early, far sooner than they should have based on how well Windows 7 was already doing and their typical OS life cycle. A huge amount of negativity from long-time Windows users pops up during the beta testing, due (primarily) to the very touch-centric direction they took Win8 in... While this is all percolating, they throw out their Surface RT product direct to the public, resulting in some rather muddied waters for consumers (Windows RT is not Windows 8, but the average uninformed Joe probably has no idea about that). Then they drop Windows 8 officially on the market, with the looming Surface Pro hardware set to jump in and directly compete with the very OEMs they are blaming for not being gung-ho on Windows 8 and spending bazillions of dollars developing systems to run it ahead of the launch...

I have to wonder what the marketing and management teams at Microsoft are smoking lately. Windows 8 might be a fine product, but seriously why blame others for the lackluster launch? Microsoft releases a divergent product that only a small margin of their total user base even wanted, directly competes against their own OEM customers that they rely on for sales, and has the gall to say "not our fault" when the sales are disappointing? Pretty pathetic.

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Paper Jam

MS wants to be Apple and Microsoft at the same time. They want to sell their own hardware like Apple, release devices through multiple OEMs powered with their OS like they have always done (except charging the OEMs for the privilege, unlike Google), and they still want to sell the OS retail. You can't have it all.

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wolfing

A reboot won't work. Windows 8 has a corrupt boot sector

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Are you aware how accurate that statement is?

After trying Windows 8 on a computer with a NON-UEFI Bios, Windows XP no longer installs correctly and goes into a perpetual restart untill the Windows 8 partitions are wiped with Killdisk

After using Killdisk, XP installs just fine

Hardware manufacturers can rid themselves of Microshaft malware by doing to Microsoft what Microsoft is doing to everyone else

Prevent new hardware from installing Microshaft products and they may see the light

But I doubt it

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wolfing

well I was speaking more figuratively :)

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