Microsoft Kicks Off Windows 8 Era with Live Webcast

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Blues22475

I am curious to see how well Windows 8 will fare on the desktop market. I know it'll do well on tablets and the like since it seems like it's very suitable for that.

Personally, I am still on the negative side of this. I did try Windows 8 on VMWare and it was okay (got over the whole start tiles thing but a couple of other gripes dragged me back down again).

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Cregan89

Right-click in the bottom-left corner of the screen. That solved any issues I had with the desktop in Windows 8 for me.

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Blues22475

Not so much the start menu being absent anymore. It's more about the way things are done (such as two different version of Internet Explorer).

Also the fact that to get the full experience, you must make a Windows Live/Hotmail account.

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abowlofsoda

I can respect that Windows 8 isn't for everyone but I click on a Windows8 article and read the comments to inform myself more about this interest and all I see is people hating on it.

If Windows 7 works great for you and your not upgrading to Windows 8 then I can't imagine why you have to go and post that your not upgrading every single chance you get.

I don't even know you people and could care less if your not upgrading to it.

Do you think someone is holding a gun to you to upgrade? Its just a piece of software. Stop acting like its the 2nd coming up Christ and you don't want to go to heaven.

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pastorbob

I have neither the time nor the inclination to learn a totally different way of working. What I have now works very well. It starts up and shuts down quickly. I have a three monitor setup that works well with the mouse/keyboard interface. Perhaps if I had a touch display I might be more accepting of Windows 8. But I don't and I don't have or use a tablet either. Nor do I have a touch phone. So for me, the changes were too radical for the desktop PC where I do 90% of my work. In the future when I am considering a new laptop or desktop then I will look at touch display capability and WIndows 8.

Before some Win 8 fanboy blasts me - yes, I did try it out for several weeks on a dual boot setup. I couldn't care less about the Start menu. It was all of the other changes too numerous to list here that killed it for me. I am now back to a single boot system running Window 7 and back to being quite productive, thank you very much.

That said, if it works for you then great. Have at it. It just isn't for me at this point in time.

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davelray

Sorry pastorbob, if you had really tried it out for several weeks, I highly doubt you'd be complaining all that much about productivity. There's no change in the software you use. Office 2007 or 2013 is still the same. Adobe CS is still the same. Etc. Etc. Etc. for any imaginable program you could use. You launch your program, you use it, you close it when your done. I don't see how Windows 8 would change that experience for you. But on the flip side, if what you have works for you with Windows 7, and you like it just fine, why worry about upgrading either? Or did you just feel the need complain/whine about it? Changes between Windows 7 and Windows 8 aren't "radical." Maybe from Windows 3.11 to Windows 8 could be called radical.

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pastorbob

davelray,

I don't believe stating my opinion from my experience is whining or complaining. You have absolutely no idea what I do or how I use my systems. So what makes you think you are qualified to tell me what I have or have not done with Windows 8 and what works or doesn't work for me?

When I have to spend a lot of time learning a new user interface that cuts into my productivity. I gain nothing because, as you said, once the programs are opened they work the same anyhow so why do I need to upgrade? The only gain I see is (and as I stated in my post) if I have touch screens and I don't. I am very content with how fast my system starts and shuts down. My apps all run great under Windows 7.

Not complaining mind just stating what to most people would have been obvious. But when you are more focused on making veiled insults than reading what I wrote I guess that's why you missed my point.

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davelray

I did read what you wrote, hence my response. The way you wrote your comment, made it appear that Windows 8 directly interfered with your productivity in using your applications. Now you have clarified your response to state, that no, you don't have a problem with productivity in your apps. Instead, you have a productivity issue with having to learn something new. Called by most, a learning curve. And there is always a learning curve with everything that is new. There was a learning curve going to Vista, and another going to Windows 7. Granted, there's a larger learning curve going to Windows 8. I'm perfectly fine with you voicing your mind in that you don't want to have to deal with such a large, in your opinion, not mine, learning curve. Thank you for clarifying your case. As I've always said, in almost any post I've made, use what works for you. Especially since Windows 7 is obviously not going away anytime soon. Even I have only upgraded one system to Windows 8. And I do not make veiled insults. If I want to insult you, I'll do it directly.

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pastorbob

My mistake. I guess when you stated "Or did you just feel the need complain/whine about it?" I took that as a veiled insult since I was only stating my opinion not whining or complaining. But then I went back and read several of your previous posts and saw that you say that to anybody who disagrees with you. That or you call them trollers if they are newbies.

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davelray

Ayup. I'm definitely an asshole. But I'm an honest asshole.

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pastorbob

No argument from me on that my friend.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

What the hell have you been smoking?

I have at least 20 XP programs that will not run on Windows 8

Productivity?

I can record what I hear in XP, but not in Vista, 7 or 8

XP boots in 12 seconds on a 1st gen ATOM computer booting to Compact Flash and that is fast enough

9 second boot on an i3 using a crappy (and now dead) Vertex 2

Full formatting a 16GB thumbdrive to FAT32 at default allocation size is 90 times slower on Windows 8 than it is in XP

Malware?
Spyware?
Don't get me started

If you were really interested in the truth instead of the value of your Microsoft stock, you could read my previous posts and do your own research to either verify or discredit what I have been telling these noobs for the past year

The shills at this site only parrot the same 4 responses to any research that has already been done

1. You wear a tinfoil hat

2. You don't know what your talking about

3. You don't have any evidence
I get this response after providing the evidence)

4. You diddn't take your meds

I have already provided the evidence of Gov't spnsored spyware and malware
in Windows 7 and 8 (I wouldn't touch Vista) which you can verify with your own research yet you won't

YOU are a shill like the rest of these goons

Read my previous posts on the subject if you are really interested in the truth and then do your own research

No?

I diddn't think so

The lamest response I have gotten so far is that I should run XP virtualized under Windows 8 if my XP programs don't work in Windows 8

Why the fuck should I jump through all those hoops to run my programs slower on a Gov't sponsored spyware platform if they run just fine and much faster in XP alone?

Better Security?

IT'S A FUCKING SPYWARE PLATFORM!

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davelray

Don't smoke. But back when I did, plain old Camel filters.
You claim 20 programs that work under Windows XP but do not work in Windows 8, but you failed to name any. All my software works fine.
Not sure what you mean by you can record what you hear in XP but not in 7 or 8.
I haven't seen your evidence of Government sponsored spyware and malware. So you have not provided it to me. Last time I checked it was the burden of the accuser to provide the evidence.
Just like you lack any evidence to back up your claim that I'm a "shill." Do you understand, perhaps, what libel is? Were I to take it personally, you'd find yourself in a very actionable position. But coming from you, considering some of the other garbage I've seen you write, I'll excuse it. Maybe you did forget to take your meds today. If you take any at all. Don't know you, don't care. Tin foil hats don't do anything and never did so don't know why you would wear one. Perhaps invest in a lead lined baseball cap. That might work. Better yet, if you truly dislike people saying these things to you in posts, there is a real good solution. Don't write the posts. Or do write them, and simply ignore the follow up posts. Either way, I'll thank you to leave off the name calling. Some people are easily offended.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Oh yes, please do take it personally shill

What doesn't work in Windows 8 but does in XP?

Many Thinstalled portable applications, like Adobe Audition CS3, Photoshop CS5
and several others listed in previous posts

read them
why should I repost everything, every single time for shills like you?

need evidence of spyware?
Read my previous posts

It would run several pages if posted again here for another shill

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Cregan89

It's not really surprising that those portable applications don't work past Windows XP. They were never designed to function like that. The applications are most likely trying to access secured files from an unsecured location, which is a massive security vulnerability. Hence why MS has blocked such functionality in Windows Vista and up, and every single competing OS does EXACTLY the same thing! (Linux, OS X, etc.)

Both of those applications work perfectly fine in Windows Vista, 7, and 8 if you install them properly.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Good response

The reason they are portable in the 1st place is to eliminate blue screens of death that were so common in XP

By taking their registry settings with them, these and all the other portable apps I have tested eliminate registry conflicts and DLL errors

However, Thinstall itself could not be used in Windows 7 to make applications portable and I would assume the same is true for Windows 8

I believe that Thinstall was aquired by VMWare and now goes by a different name (ThinApp or something)

Other than making a temp directory when run for the 1st time, Audition and the other apps do not access local drive protected files

They are easily blocked from accessing the Internet through a firewall and are not a security risk

30 day trials of Adobe products were used for the tests and there is also a 30 day trial of ThinApp (if I remembered the name correctly) and may rerun the tests using the VMWare version at some point to see if that works with Windows 7 and 8

All of my software was tested for portability and only those that cannot run as portable apps are installed on my machine

I have not had a single XP Blue Screen in years as a result

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davelray

Dude seriously, again with the name calling? What is this? Third grade on the playground with the big slow minded bully picking on the skinny intelligent kid? Let me repeat, I Don't Care. You are complaining about using applications in a method not tested nor supported by the makes of the applications in the first place. Installed correctly, Audition, Photoshop, the entire Creative Suite, works just fine. You seriously need to get over yourself. Reply if you like, you'll get no response from me. I don't have the time or the energy to waste on some closed minded conspiracy theorist nutter with nothing better to do than to complain about something they'll never use in the first place. Maybe you need to get outdoors and get in on some social interaction with real people. I promise you the Government's laser beam satellites won't poke invisible holes through your grey matter. What little there is of it. LOL

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Bullwinkle J Moose

"The skinny intelligent kid"

That was seriously funny

You are now saying that the "Specific" apps I made portable run just fine on 7 and 8 if installed correctly?

Is that true?

When did you test those specific app's may I ask?

Other versions of Adobe products work fine on 7 and 8 because I did test them

For example, Portable Audition 1.5 works fine on Windows 8 if you actually test it

Tell me then,..
WHICH "versions" of these Adobe products work correctly in Windows 8 when installed correctly since you speak with the authority of someone who has tried them all?

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HKUSPC40

Yeah it would be awesome if there were even a shred of information regarding the full version of Windows 8 on Microsoft's website. Don't bother asking the online salesperson either because he apparently doesn't have a clue. What about student pricing too like with Windows 7?

Maybe I'm off my rocker but IMO upgrades are lame. I mean it seriously feels like an electronic band-aid.

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davelray

Not sure what information you are looking for since you didn't bother to ask in your post. The digital download upgrade starts with their system analyzer that will give you a report of what may or may not need to be reinstalled/upgraded after you load Windows 8. It then downloads the image for you. After it finished downloading the image, it will ask if you want to burn to dvd or create a bootable flash drive. During the installation, you have your choice to upgrade in place or wipe and do a clean install, depending on what you had before. All this information is available directly at the Microsoft website. I just went through that process last night myself. Oh, you also have the option to pay an extra fifteen bucks and they will send you a copy on dvd.

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anc51699

"Boo hoo! My start menu is gone. F$%@ Windows 8!" This is all I hear from people about Windows 8.

Honestly, I've been using Windows 8 for a few weeks now (from DreamSpark), and after getting used to the new start screen, I love Windows 8. It is much faster on Shutdown and Startup, and it does have a smaller kernel footprint than Win7. It installed quickly and easily, and it was able to bring over all of my applications without any problems (I like to do clean installs, but I couldn't reinstall some of my software, so I did an upgrade install). I don't have any complaints about it, even with a mouse and keyboard.

Naturally, people don't like change, so I understand the frustration. Heck, I didn't like it at first when I used the beta. Give it a day or so, and I'm sure people will get used to it, and even like it.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Don't Microsoft employees have anything better to do than troll? Or is this what they're paying you for, now?

It takes more than a change to the Start menu to upset computer users this much. Forcing a phone OS on desktop PC users may have sounded like a great idea during one of Ballmer's many coke-fueled rants, but the computer-savvy public doesn't appreciate his particular vision when it cripples the very foundation of how we work and play.

Microsoft is simply trying to spin and insult it's way out of a very bad decision.

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davelray

Hrmm let's see, member for over four years. Didn't say anything that wasn't true, just things you don't like. Doubt they are a Microsoft plant as you say. Just because someone likes something you do not, does not mean they work for the company that made it. I myself have been using it since RTM came out (evaluation of Enterprise.) And I loaded the version of Pro last night. Install from Windows 7 on my production system went smooth as butter. Set the programs up that I want to use as tiles on the new UI so I'm saving myself all those extra steps everyone complained about. One click, I'm in my program. Probably the quickest "upgrade" I've done since Windows 7. Perhaps you are the one who's too "sensitive." In other words, maybe your the troll. It's all I ever see you do.

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Teeebs

Jeez, can the extremely annoying video be paused or better yet turned off....

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

How about:

• A closed market by which Microsoft will extort a percentage from any and all software developers.

So, keep pimping their shit for them. We really are as gullible as you would like to believe....

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Cregan89

davelray is right on.

The Windows store is a service. They are providing the bandwidth for application downloads, application updating services, application quality assurance, application security assurance, advertising and an easily searchable digital storefront, and many of the API's actually rely on Microsoft's servers; Specifically the API's for SkyDrive storage, LiveTile updates, and push notifications. It's their service, they can charge whatever they want for it. And it just so happens that they actually charge less than the competition charges.

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davelray

So I guess all the retail stores like Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Fry's, etc., are in the extortion business too. They all have markups ranging from 15% to 35%. What did you think Microsoft would do? Give the software away for free? Not charge a markup at all? Don't think any store that didn't charge a markup would be in business for very long. As for gullibility, no your not gullible, your something else entirely...

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Mikey109105

One word: NO!

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Bullwinkle J Moose

I refuse to use Silverlight malware...
so

I got the prompt additional plugins required in firefox 16.0.1

When clicking the prompt, I get, "No plugins found"

When I try to open in VLC, nothing happens

Now I cant even open it in KLite codecs media player classic

If I right click to save link location....NOTHING Happens

If I copy the link location and save it as a shortcut, the only option available is OPEN (With Microsofts Media Player)

There is no option to "OPEN WITH"

THIS is exactly why I don't like Microsoft's malware

The Internet is now broken!
Please upgrade to Windows 8 malware to temporarily continue.
Untill Windows 9 that is

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Cregan89

Your invalid complaints about Silverlight only serve to prove that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Silverlight is more than just a plug-in for playing back video files in a browser. It's a web based platform for creating complex applications that can be deployed over the web. It's intent is to serve as a temporary platform until HTML5 matures to the point where Silverlight is no longer necessary.

It also includes a very sophisticated media API which allows a service provider to stream realtime video to millions of viewers at the same time while keeping server usage relatively low. It includes a proprietary video streaming protocol which allows for the video quality to dynamically adjust depending on the clients internet connection speed, and also provides a sort of "DVR" like functionality, all while keeping bandwidth usage as low as possible. It's used by some of the largest video streaming services in the world including Netflix, and the same technology is used in Microsoft's Mediaroom platform, which is the most widely used IPTV platform in the world.

You should just quit now, you're just embarrassing yourself.

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anc51699

So Silverlight is malware because you don't want to use it, and because you can't open Silverlight content with VLC or K-Lite?

The only posts I read from you are about how you believe anything Microsoft makes is some sort of firewall-defying malware. Give it a rest!

Plus, your comment indicates you use Windows, so if you're right about Windows being spyware, they must know everything about you by now, including the diameter of the foil hat you wear. Either that or you don't seem to mind Windows that much, since you haven't switched to something else.

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Nimrod

Silverlight is an industry JOKE among web standards that nobody takes seriously. Im pretty sure that Microsofts website is the last remaining domain that still uses it.

That said, i just clicked on the link that said Watch in Media Player and it worked fine.

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Peanut Fox

Netflix and Hulu still use it. A lot of sports casts that offer interactive features like viewing a game from multiple camera angles will use it too. The last two Olympic games used it as well. In my personal experience it's great. I also find that the video quality of services that use Silverlight look better than the ones that don't.

Why do you say nobody take it seriously?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

If its steaming video, any of my current players should be fine

If its not, then put it on youtube

If Silverlight is not malware, then I don't see the problem using an alternative player

DO YOU?

You never see the problem when you refuse to look

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davelray

Definition of malware: harmful software: software such as viruses or Trojans designed to cause damage or disruption to a computer system.

Silverlight: Microsoft Silverlight is a powerful tool for creating and delivering rich Internet applications and media experiences on the Web.

Companies such as Netflix and Hulu, and a few network television stations use Silverlight to stream their content with DRM to prevent you from copying and/ or pirating the stream.

So to answer your question, no, Silverlight is not malware. Hundreds of thousands of people use it every day. My suggestion, get over yourself Bullwinkle.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Definition of malware: harmful software: software such as viruses or Trojans designed to cause damage or disruption to a computer system.
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yes

That's what I said, it's malware

Microsoft broke the Java and Flash standards instead of buying them and SilverCrap is a big part of that

Just put it on Youtube if you want me to watch it

The less malware on my system, the better

Oh, you don't think it's malware?
Then show us how to play it with VLC, KLite or ANYTHING other than Microsoft Products

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davelray

What does being, or not being able to play a video stream in a software program that was not designed nor is capable, have anything to do with Silverlight being malware or not? If you want Silverlight to play back in VLC or KLite etc., contact their makers and make a request. If you abhor Microsoft products so much, why are you writing in response to an article concerning them. I don't like cars made by Toyota, I don't drive down to the Toyota dealership and tell them I dislike their cars every time a new model comes out. Your posts and responses are drivel. Microsoft didn't break Java and they certainly didn't break Flash. Silverlight is just an alternative to Flash. Microsoft published their event the way they wanted. I'm sure they really care that you want it a different way.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

You poor thing
Where you an abused child?

Or...

Would you like to be?

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davelray

Wow.... just wow. Inappropriate much? Not to mention extremely creepy... Does someone need a visit from Chris Hansen?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Double post

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vistageek

Hasn't surface been around for years? I remember like 3 years ago seeing surface and deciding to make a multitouch table of my own.

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Cregan89

I think that is exactly why Microsoft named their first tablet "Surface". It's a jab at Apple and Apple fanboys who will claim that Microsoft is copying Apple by making their own touch screen devices. The "Surface" name serves as a reminder that Microsoft actually developed touch screen consumer devices first.

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vistageek

Hasn't surface been around for years? I remember like 3 years ago seeing surface and deciding to make a multitouch table of my own.

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