Microsoft Gives XP Owners First Look at Mojave

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MisterK

I installed Vista on my main PC the second day of release so that I would be able to provide support to customers who had Vista machines (I have a small side business providing PC support, upgrades, etc).  The only installed program I had a problem with was Microsoft Outlook (!?), and putting it into XP compatibility mode solved the problem.
I am a power user and a gamer, and I realize early benchmarks showed a lot of games ran slower (marginally) in Vista as opposed to XP, but truth is, to the normal human eye, there was no real noticable difference.
I agree with a lot of posters that the real problem was that a lot of companies were slow in providing drivers for Vista.
I also realize that a lot of originally promised Vista features were never delivered in the final shipped version (revolutionary new file system to name one), but Vista certainly is not a crap OS. 
I loved XP.  It was (is) a stable, ground-breaking OS, far superior to the crapware called Windows ME, but Vista is even more stable, more secure, and has far more features than XP.
It's amazing how unfounded rumors and publicity can spread... 
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David R. Thurber

Based upon that article, I would say that it's best not to knock it until you've tried it, and then don't upgrade to it or use it on a machine that's older than the OS.

I've had two laptops that came with Vista Home Premium installed and have had very few problems. (Mostly apps shutting off aero, big deal). The games that I have run thus far, on either machine, have run just fine. (Keeping in mind that neither laptop was really set up for heavy gaming).

Will I upgrade my desktop to Vista? Not until I rebuild it with hardware that I know it will support it, which will cost nearly a thousand ($1000.00), by my reconing (and that's not going dual video cards or anything fancy). In the meantime, XP Pro with SP3 will do just fine.

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Keith E. Whisman

Whatever happened to the complainers that cried that MS had'nt released a new Home OS in years since XP and those same complainers stated that XP was broken and that it was so open that hackers could exploit every inch of XP. THEY said it was BROKEN and where is VISTA!

These same cry babies now complain about Vista and talk about how great XP is. All because Vista is slow on their WalMart Emachines and HP's powered by Celleron and AMD processors.

Grow up. Windows Vista is a great os. Most if not all of it's problems that Vista had at launch have been fixed. Vista is a real kickass OS. I really like it. I wish it had multiple 3d desktops like what you get with Linux. But it's still great. I can still easily install all my games and run them from the games directory all my pirate software works too. Everything I did in XP I can do in Vista and Vista is far more reliable and stable.

With Vista we are one step closer to LCARS, the graphical user interface preferred by StarFleet for use on it's starships such as the Enterprise.

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GreenTurtle

I fully agree with Keith; I have had no issues with Vista since changing from XP and havn't looked back.

 Walmart Emachines LOL!!!!! Your right, New or not, some hardware can't handle the full Vista experience, so those users would unfortunately have to turn off some settings.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

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TheDuck

Did those people even see a screenshot of Vista??!! And MS will not show people a new OS until release!

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PCatombomb

 iv found that xp is fine ive ben runig it fo 5 years on sp2 iv found no problomes

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SpazzAttack

I've been runnung Vista x64 SP1 for about six weeks now.  I'm happy with it and *gasp* I don't miss XP one bit.  I ran XP x64 for three years and Vista's latest incarnation is a lot less glitchy than XP.  All my apps and games work just fine, thank you.  Sorry to break the bad news.

Let the FUD machine grind on...

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bcweir

... and counting!!

 

Viva Windows XP!

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Keith E. Whisman

Sounds like you tried to run Vista on the same hardware that you first installed XP on when it first came out in 2001.

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gritz

What will Vista do that XP won't do better with with more ease and fewer resources???  Well, let's see. Vista can run slower, require hardware upgrades, require software upgrades, break programs that used to run fine before, etc. Sure, Vista has eye candy but show me a real program (not MS) that actually runs better with Vista. That's right ... mayber a screensaver or two,  or something promised in the future! But as far as running your favorite programs better, Vista won't do it. I have a dual boot .... Vista/XP that I play FSX on and I never select Vista .... because it breaks consistently.  But this is analogus to asking the guy who just bought a new car about his gas mileage. You know he is going to tell you that's he's getting 40 mpg and should you ask him if he's actually checked it, his reply is "No, I can tell by the gas guage". 

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Quertior

My laptop came with one of those "free vista upgrade" promos, so I installed Vista on it, and I have regretted it ever since. All this crap Microsoft is pulling may just be enough to get me to switch to Mac.

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chrisj979

My views on vista are like this, i agree with the first sentence of mjjordan001 post.  From my experience and observations, correct most people don't like it cause a friend of a freind said it sucks.  But the biggest problem is Vista causes people to THINK.  Yes the changes in Vista make people have to think about task they used to not have to think about.  For instance right click onthe desktop and choose properties, that menu with all those choices scares people cause now they have to read, click START and RUN is not there by default, people have not had to install a printer since XP was installed in 2003 and they hated it then, what is this UAC thing that keep poping up asking me to choose YES or NO, and oh i can't find drivers.  Allof these scare users.  Now you cannot blame Vista or Microsoft because some manufacture decided they were not going to create drivers for Vista.  I waited almost 8 months for HP to make a Vista driver for my scanner and I completely blame HP. The other problem with Vista I find from most users is they upgrade which sounds like a good idea, but nothing beats a clean install.  Secondly you don't need 4 different toolbars with IE, which leads me to spyware, yeah alot of people have it and don'e know it so after you upgrade from XP to Vista, you now do a clean install back to XP and everything works great even better than before, after 2 hours of patches :).  Are there problems with Vista? Yes, just like any other OS. The biggest problem with Vista is the network speed, not being able to find drivers is a MANUFACTURE problem.  As for our responsibiliy as techs, the most IMPORTANT thing is we EDUCATE OUR USERS, REGUARDLESS OF PERSONAL OPINION.  Remember Technology moves FORWARDS not BACKWARDS (8-tracks are not coming back), so I agree with preparing our users for the future.

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mjjordan001

So far from what i have seen in real world situations with Vista is the hardware that its running on and the end user not wanting to learn the new system durring business hours. not to meantion the unavailablity of particular drivers and legacy 3rd party programs that companies depend on. What microsoft should have done is not assume and stuck with what works. just like windows 98SE, they decided the world needed a cheezy upgrade and pushed out windows ME. Sooo, they cycle starts again, we are pushed vista and then Windows 7 or whatever they finally call it will be the best thing ever after the 2 service pack. then the game will start again 10 years later. thats my take on it..

 

 

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sdcat

I wonder how the test was done. Depands on that, it may be under controlled environment.

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zapthepunctual

The real joke is that these people found it believable that Vista Service pack 1 was some kind of beta release for Windows 7, that doesn't say much for Vista. So does that mean the supposed '180 million copies of Vista' sold is in fact just a huge beta test or what

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ATI4EVER!

no, they didn't think they were tesing windows 7.

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sanravel

I've not had any problems with my Vista laptop and haven't had any of my friends complain about it either.

I still run XP on my desktop because I'm too lazy to upgrade it.

The only people I see complaining about Vista are the magazine writers. Maximum PC, PC World, CPU, et al.

As for Linus I tried Madriva and Ubuntu and found the lacking. They worked with my hardware but I can't play mainstream games on them and I don't have the time or desire to learn to use the command line. 

 And one of the previous commenters was right, for the most part freeware is crap. CCleaner being an exception.

 Microsoft may have its faults but it opened up the use of computers for everyone. 

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chaosdsm

I've downgraded 2 PC's from Vista to XP Pro in the past 3 months for clients, in both cases Vista was causing issues that XP fixed on "built for Vista" desktops & notebooks. I have 2 more clients looking to go back to XP on several machines due to various networking issues, i.e. network printers appearing & dissapearing, loosing wireless signal using a Wireless N Router & Wireless N Adapter, from 10 feet away... computers appearing & dissapearing from the network... notebook not finding the network at all... all of which is only happening on Vista machines, some with & some without SP1.

 

For one of the clients I was able to demonstrate that it was indeed Vista & not hardware by temporarily installing XP on a spare hard drive on each of 3 seperate machines. Once all the drivers were installed, everything worked as expected. Went back to Vista, checked to make sure all the drivers were current & updated those that weren't & the problems returned. Microsoft should have just named Vista "Millenium Edition: Redux" ;)

 

On personal machines, I've had less trouble from XP 64bit than I've had with Vista 32bit Ultimate, though to be fair, I haven't tried Vista at home since SP1.

 

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BeVar

It's obvious you're a professional and your clients probably appreciate you.

If "endo time" is in the computer business, he will fail soon enough with those glib remarks.

Any real professional out there would never recommend Vista to a networked business, unless one craves failure.

Yes, Microsoft brought the desktop to the masses but as in most things in life, the glow fades and it's time for a new OS. It's not UNIX, Linux or MAC. I wish I knew; I can make educated guesses. I don't know if the technology is ready yet and at what $$$$ cost.

Microsoft has become too powerful; they bully their customers now. I could write pages on what Microsoft Vista promised their customers; I could write pages on what Microsoft lied about with Vista. It's a year and a half later and Vista still doesn't work properly. It's all about money with Microsoft and it just keeps getting greedier and more ruthless.

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Endo Time

Considering you continually use the term 'client' I assume you are at some level a professional.  It is quite disheartening to know that you would knowingly cause your clients (probably under your own recommendation) to downgrade to an OS that is losing it's support structure.  That is, XP will be losing it's update proficiency to combat issues and security leaks, as well as multiple hardware vendors announcing that they plan to eliminate support for the os in the future.

 While I am no fan of Vista, I recognize that we are in a situation where we must be realistic and make decisions based on the best posssible outcome for our clients.  This leaves us with a few observations:

1) Most people who say they don't like Vista seem to mostly complain about the interface.  When they have had time and trining to adjust, they almost overwhelimingly support the change.

2) As a tech professional you should be able to resolve driver issues within vista, if not it is probably best to find a new career.

3) Vista is a dog, comes with fleas, get over it or go to Linux or OSX.  (By the way, they both have fleas, and if your not familiar with Linux that dog has rabies)

Remember, above all else, it is our obligation to ensure that our clients are set up for future functionality.  The only legitimate reason I can conceive for downgrading to xp on new hardware is to ensure they will need me again when they run into the end of the yellow brick road.

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rgraf

While you say you are no fan of Vista, your post is much closer to fanboy than fan, let alone independent thinker, which is what clients really need. They don't need 'experts' telling them what to think. That's what the media does. Whose side do you think they are on?

As for your comment about finding a new career if you can't resolve driver issues, you're completely out of touch. There just aren'y any drivers for some things, period.

It's the customer who is always right. Forget that and the customers won't bother to remind you. They'll just go away. It's not 'our obligation' in any sense, let alone 'above all else' to ensure anything other than that they know what they are getting and that it is as close to what we think they are asking for. I've got a multi boot system that I keep returning to XP on because Vista is just not ready for prime time. I've been working with computers and control systems (BSEET 1980) for a long time. I built my latest system with the intention of running Vista exclusively. It wasn't a nightmare. I can deal with just about anything computer related. It just fails miserably. And worst of all, my brand new hardware that was designed with Vista in mind (purchased specifically for Vista use) installed flawlessly in XP. Fails completely so far in Vista.

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PhynaeusClaw

It's interesting how it turned from being cool to bash Vista to being cool to tout its virtues. The truth definitely lies somewhere in between. Ever since SP1 I have had fewer problems, but my laptop still doesn't wake up from sleep/hibernate properly. I have yet to see why DX10 had to be implemented in Vista. I have yet to be wowed by any functionality in Vista that wasn't in XP.

Vista is just OK.

Now this Mojave OS... that sounds nice! (<--It's a joke people)

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GreenTurtle

One problem I find with people; is that they "hear" something bad about Vista, from a friend of a friend ect... Even if it is a real issue; they don't realize that there is a fix for it quite quickly. Alot of the time; problems people ask Me about are from at least a year ago! I am glad Microsoft is doing these sorts of things.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

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Digital-Storm

Slap in the face to the idiots that listen to everyone about something they don't even know about.

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horzo

Hilarious - and obvious to those of us who started using Vista after most of the initial driver problems were cleared up, and have always wondered what all the fuss is about.

 

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sdcat

oh this news sounded like MS just cheated people's pure innocent heart.

If Microsfot started off with a good non-beta1,2,3... OS, craps like this would never happen + waste of loads of money, market for pretty much nothing.

Yes Linux would also be one of my OS to seriously playing on in the near future, if open api and open document standard could really kicks off then things would be more fun to enjoy.

 

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Asevening

I'm glad Microsoft is doing this,  I have had no problems with Vista on any of my computers, or computers used by friends family or customers except errors caused by the end-user.  I agree with the issue being the perception of Vista, hopefully this will clear some things up.

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dwr50

Most of the complaints about Vista are really about Microsoft. My Vista laptop has given me no problems so far. Linux will be my next OS though because I'm tired of Microsofts hand in my pocket and the same goes for Apple. The more I use Linux the better I like it.

 

Acer Aspire 5610z,Vista HP, No problems with Vista... so far, but I'm learning Linux, just in case.

Acer Aspire 5315-2153, $348 Walmart Special,Mandriva Linux 2008.1 Spring Edition

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PhynaeusClaw

My next PC will run Linux. At least then I'm not paying for bugs, and I can actually get some friendly tech support in user forums.

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ETNPNYS

What a joke... Do either of you have any idea how much "learning" there is to be done? Sure, Linux is the best of the free, but using Linux every now and then just makes me appreciate what Microsoft has actually accomplished. 

"Friendly tech support"?? Friendly, sure. Helpful, not a chance. If you don't already speak Linux, good luck understanding half of the crap you find. The problems with Linux are that it is a) supported by developers that can't understand other peoples' misunderstandings, and b) created by developers that have a "should work" attitude.

Regarding b) above: with Vista's shortcomings at launch time, I wonder if Microsoft has employed a few people that they found on SourceForge...

Lesson: freeware almost always sux. There are exceptions to the rule, but Linux still has a ways to go before it hits that milestone. 

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Quertior

C'mon! I use freeware for almost everything. I use OpenOffice, AVG, and many others. The only reason I use PhotoShop is because someone gave it to me as a gift.

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ETNPNYS

Thanx for providing examples of a few of the 'exceptions to the rule.'

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ubuwalker31

Linux isn't perfect.  XP and Vista aren't perfect either.  I run XP on my desktop primarily, since I want to run Windows specific programs like IE and MSN and Yahoo Messenger for work and play.  My AsusEee runs linux, and does 99% of what I want my laptop to do.  I dual boot into Ubuntu on my desktop when I quickly need to check things on the 'net.  Not every tool does exactly what you want it to do, how well, and how fast I want to do it.

That being said, its stupid for an ordinary home user to flush $300 down the toilet to buy Microsoft Office or Photoshop.  OpenOffice and Gimp do fine for the majority of home users.  If you're a professional or pro-am, pony up for the software, but otherwise why waste money.

Also, certain categories of software, like anti-virus, have free versions which are superior to pay versions.

Lesson:  Nuanced opinions are always better than black and white ones.  Sometimes.

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PhynaeusClaw

I merely meant that I am tired of paying for bugs. At least with Linux I (could) get them for free.

As for freeware, I live on it. I barely have enough money to keep my hardware current. I find and use A LOT of freeware that is VERY good. It isn't necessarily as polished as it could be, but it will be. I must be weird though cuz I think CCleaner is actually crap. I haven't found a good reasoin to use it yet.

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ETNPNYS

I agree - bugs should be free! 

...And I live on freeware also; I'm well-versed in freeware that doesn't suck: AVG, SyncBack, Ubuntu, OpenOffice, PrimoPDF, etc. But when you look at those that suck, they generally share the same shortcomings (lack of process/QA). 

I write this from my office PC running Ubuntu 9.04 as the primary OS, through Firefox while countless other free apps are running as well. I'm not opposed to free software; I'm opposed to free software that sucks. Hats off to MaximumPC for making it easy to find the ones that don't. 

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