Microsoft Gets "Creative" with Anti-linux Training Materials

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daswebmastri

This is total B.S.!

I reviewed some of the questions myself and its totally crap. E.g.

Linux is much safer and secure.

Linux is easy to update.

Linux is user friendly!

grrrr

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ToeShot

Always lots of debate on this Windows Vs. Linux and it almost always biased  by people who have their favorite and defend it venomously.

It is true there are driver issues and Linux may not have the latest driver for your graphics card when it is released but eventualy one will be produced.

It is true Linux can't play the most popular games out there; even when Epic Games ported over their Unreal Tournament 2004 so it could run on linux you had to tweak out your system to get it to run smoothly, even then you may have to get a better supported graphics card to play it.

Wait, why are we talking about gaming on a PC.? If you want to game buy a PS3, if you are a microsoft fan, or don't want to buy into Sony's "we will own the market with this" get an XBox 360.(Sony. lol whole different story) anyways I digress.

My personal opinion here but I believe computers are meant to do work no entertain. This is where Microsoft excelled though. By designing their OS to provide entertainment to the average computer consumer so they would have a reason to put a computer into their home.

However what makes one system better than the other is not entirely the OS itself but the user.  How is the user going to be using thecomputer? What is the users confort zone with computers? Is that OS/Computer right for that user?

If the consumer only wants to play games, thenyes get a windows machine, make sure that you get the latest and greatest graphic's card from nVidia or ATI (another $400-$500 up to $2000, exspense). Make sure you have at least 4gb of Ram (relatively cheap if you use DDR2 more expensive if you require DDR3) Need a good processor too, but most people would buy what ever the sales person tells them so the would probably get an i7 or a Phenom II quad core, not needed since there is very little software and hardware that takes advantage of all four cores. Make sure you have adequate power supply and cooling. Everything else is relatively cheap.

The above maybe more towards the extreme gamer but the point I am trying to make is that it is a money maker for all the companies involed. This is how Microsoft sells, I am not saying it is bad but it is Microsofts niche.

Where as if you don't want to play games and want to save money Linux is a very good alternative. you get the most commonly software packages with Linux, such as OpenOffice, Gimp, and some ditros you get XBMC, included at no extra cost.

As the for the linux myths, can Linux be used as an everyday at home computer? Yes. Linux distributions such as Ubuntu and Sabayon are plug and play right out of the box. I recently installed Sabayon 4.2 on my system at home and it found all my hardware and correctly identified it and installe dthe proper drivers. Just so you know I have a Quadro FX1700 graphics card and a D-Link Wireless Card, both worked flawless without any addtional work required from me. Compiz even worked. However this was not the case with Fedora 11. So the right Distribution makes all the difference

Is linux secure and stable? Yes and Yes. But like any OS it will only be as secure as the user makes it, which has been a big flaw with windows up to Vista. The average consumer doesn't know that windows came with no administartor password (still this way in Vista and Windows 7) but the unsavory people knew this and if they found a way into your network the could get into your machine with administrator rights. Vista and Windows 7 has remote login by administartor Disabled out of the box. The stability comes from the fact that the OS is just that an OS and it uses a windows manager to perform windows task. this is entirely different than windows OS's. in windows 95 they integrated the GUI (Graphic User Interfacewith the underlying DOS (Diskless Operating System)) thus making one entity. This lead to the BSOD(Blue Screen Of Death), if something happen with the GUI it broke the whole system. Windows has greatly improved this over the year and will most likely never see a BSOD in Vista or in Windows 7 unless there is a hardware issue.

Is Linux virus free? No. Linux is not subject to your typical viruses that windows is subject too. This is because of the OS architecture, with windows integration with the GUI and IE Explorer a hole in your windows explorer is going to lead staright to your OS. Linux on the other hand does not have that it has root kits, which leaves you unkowling not in control of your system. This is not to say that linux can't get a virus, it is just that it is just harder for it to stay alive in linux.

Is linux hack proof? No, again this depends on the knowledge of the person using it. This applies to ALL OS's

There is a benifit to all OS's and a disadvantage to them all, the best way to know which one is right for you is to know what you want to do. Is there another way to do it? which OS would be the better fit?

 

Just FYI:

I am running 2 Desktops with Linux, a laptop with Linux, and a MAC at home, this is because it is the best fit for me. I provide web services out of my home along with shell accounts, my linux provides me with the best uptime, reliability, and security, because I have the knowledge to set this up. I could also set it up in Windows and have it save and secure but the reliability in my opinion is not there. However the average consumer could not do this with either OS.

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fullur

What did MS say that was untrue? Windows does have better driver support, better software compatibility, far more games that work on it (without having to install an OS "non-emulator" inside ala WINE), and pro support for user distributions. Sure, MS failed to mention any of the advantages Linux has like the fact that it is free (unless you pay for one of the ridiculous retail distributions), but that is common marketing practice.

Incidentally, MPC who is Pulkit Chandna and why are you having him write for you? This article would be fine as a serious "check out MS's new sales technique" article, but it was written as a "demon microsoft liars strike again!" piece of trash. How about some "journalistic integrity." Eww, oxymorons leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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GetOverIt

The version of Windows offered by Microsoft is Windows 7 Ultimate NFR.What does NFR mean? NOT FOR RETAIL. This is a personal copy designed for the employees so that they can sell with personal experience behind it. Nothing more nothing less.

RANT

Who would you rather trust when buying something from someone, someone who has read a bunch of stats or someone who actually uses the thing you are looking at purchasing. Well if that person hasnt done their research before receiving whatever then they get what they deserve. I am looking at getting/building a new computer, I was thinking about it last year. I heard about Win7 and Snow Leopard and the latest version of Ubuntu. Guess what. I dont have a new computer yet. Why because I am doing research first. That is why I have the Win7 RC. That is why I frequent shops that sell Apple products. This is why I have downloaded Ubuntu LiveCD. I am still looking/researching. I am making up my own mind. If I were to have someone else make up my mind for me they better have at least done a little research on all products otherwise I have let myself down and made an uninformed choice. People who make an uninformed choice deserve what they get. It is their own fault. Would you go to a car dealer and just say pick something out for me and charge me? No do some homework. I am not saying become an expert but at least get some general knowledge before you buy something. Otherwise you get what you deserve.

 

/RANT

 

This is just the retailers way of getting more informed employees without spending any of their own money on training. If any of the employees were so interested they could take the Apple Based trainings. Microsoft has just given more incentive to the employees to take their training.

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Xylogeist

Indeed, I allways encourage others to get Linux and see for your selves how more superior windows is. I don't encourage them to try Mac OS because it's too expensive for a load of crap.

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zbeckerd

Reading the comments is like watching Fox News (misinformation news).  Funny that Microsoft seems more like Fox than MSNBC.

I have put linux on know nothing computer owners pc's when they cannot produce a license and they need a OS.  With very little work on my part to set them up they have no idea that they are not running windows except that I tell them so.  They do not use their computers in such a way that requires them to know what is underneath the hood.   Driver problems are universal, but even a lite distribution like puppy does a remarkable job of hardware recognition.  So stop with the old issues.  

Windows 7 is a good OS, but it has a different look and feel than XP
(95).  Many of my customers are going to struggle with the new look.  Now is really the best time to switch since they and I are going to re-learn the UI.  So I would have no problem telling people to run whatever OS
they want.

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Wingzero_x

"Reading the comments is like watching Fox News (misinformation news).  Funny that Microsoft seems more like Fox than MSNBC."

---> And MSNBC isn't biased, are you not watching Keith Oberman?

"I have put linux on know nothing computer owners pc's when they
cannot produce a license and they need a OS. "

 ---> So am I to believe that they can use Linux with no problems, but have problems with Windows 7

"With very little work on
my part to set them up they have no idea that they are not running
windows except that I tell them so."

--->Yeah, that and when they go out and buy the latest must have game, printer, etc, download iTunes and it doesn't work!

"They do not use their computers in
such a way that requires them to know what is underneath the hood."

---> Is your customer base based on people that just like watching the screensaver, and drool? 

"Driver problems are universal, but even a lite distribution like puppy
does a remarkable job of hardware recognition.  So stop with the old
issues."

---> It's not an old issue, if it keeps popping up. sure Linux has come a long way, but they always seem to be a bit behind. After all is it really a break through when Linux recognizes your 5 year old NIC? But what about the new laptop, video card, etc?

"Windows 7 is a good OS, but it has a different look and feel than XP
(95).  Many of my customers are going to struggle with the new look."

---> They're struggle with a "look", but have no problem with a whole new way to do a basic task like installing new software?

"Now is really the best time to switch since they and I are going to
re-learn the UI."

--->  Only the UI? Running Linux is a bit more in depth than that...I mean where in Linux do I click to get Flash videos to work, how about DVD/Blu-ray movies? How do I get my GPU fully functional? GIMP won't work for me, how do I install Photoshop? 

 "So I would have no problem telling people to run
whatever OS
they want."

---> While you're at it why don't you give them all your card with your home number, and tell them to call you 24 hours a day, if they have any proplems with Linux. Within a month if you haven't went nuts, changed your number, then Linux might be ready.

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Xylogeist

... Dont start politics here... comparing MS to Fox and Linux to MSNBC is great and everything (Fox being much superior to the liberal biased MSNBC) but it will just start up even MORE ranting. Like right now I can sense that someone will reply to my quote with a "FOX IS FUCKING BIASED AND YOU KNOW IT! Reily sucks! Obama the statist FTW!" event hough that is all rubbish :P

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NPCMook

Soo... they want Best Buy to tell people to use Linux?  BRILLIANT!

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foamcup

It'd be more of a lie to tell people that Linux desktop distros are good?  They fail at the most basic level:  They can't remember window geometry.  If I put my terminal in the upper right corner, I want it to be there next time I open it.  I hate the desktop distros.  I still love my Linux game server though.  :D

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mikeart03a

And here's another reason why Microsoft is headed in the direction of Apple... run some sort of campaign to mislead consumers and sales people about their next largest competitor...

- mike_art03a
Owner, Network Admin
Michael Artelle Online Solutions
http://www.michaelartelleonline.com
michael.paiement@sympatico.ca

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1337Goose

Why is Best Buy always involved in stuff like this. 

~Goose

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ontrack

 I wouldn't care if Best Buy employees were all given free PC's along with Free OS from all the major hitters, But I sure as hell would enjoy watching one of our local "Best Buy PC Experts" Install just one platform, any platform, any software update, and kudos in the checkout folks could actually explain "what the hell a Best Buy Rewards Card might actually do for the bottom line of points when they fail to actually activate the card they issue you!"

I guess what I'm trying to say is "keep up the good work Best Buy!" Because of you, my Local business remains busy, almost too busy and next to the now defunct Circuit City, and the Hall of Shame Norfolk, Comp USA closings, you guys might actually force me to advertise!" Linux, Unix, that apple stuff.., and wonderful Mr. Gates, who reaches out from the sidelines of fame and still generates marketing that makes each and every one of us believe that the round peg can and will fit in that damn square hole. 

Remember 9/11! God Bless America! and a special note to "my girl.." Fly with the Angles, you will always be in my heart" Till we meet again XOXO

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fry

Anyone with enough computer knowledge to seriously consider Linux would not be asking a BB employee for advice.

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Xylogeist

Your forgetting the fact that Micrososft has allways been there for us geeks, linux is just a boring wannabe that is free because it isn't good enought o sell. Support microsoft! It's better for your health.

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DBsantos77

Oh enough already, it's obvious that you have no facts to back up your critisism, you just make general comments and nothing to show.

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Xylogeist

Oh just shut the hell up, you obviously started linux as soon as you realised you could install your own opperating system instead of using a purchased disk (probably less than 6 months ago) while I have been trialing these OS's for years and have found that Microsoft allways makes them great. Face the facts, support microsoft and the future of High Eng Gaming PC's with massive graphics and compatibility to boot.

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Bender2000

Linux is incompatible with the software Best Buy wants to SELL you. Which is better for Best Buy, selling a PC with windows and then a copy of Office, or a PC with Linux that comes with Open Office. Hmmmm....

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Khaled

MS claims debunked here.

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Wingzero_x

All the author did was spin the data to support his point of view, the same as Microsoft did.

 If you notice on the screen shot from MS, nowhere does it state any limits on hardware. yet, this guy keeps refering to a netbook.

Oh, and about that famous Linux security, do you think it will last if you had half the current Windows users using it? What I'm saying any OS security is only as good as the user.

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DBsantos77

LOL There ya go!!! And I LOVE the DE-Motivational poster hahahaha

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chrisv815

This is common in the retail industry and thats fine.  Great way to get a deal on windows too.  

Unfortunately half of this looks like lies.  Thats probably why so many people (not all) working for BB have no idea what they are talking about.   The companies are filling their heads with half truths and when they repeat it their credibility goes out the window. 

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Xylogeist

Screw linux, windows is much better in all directions. The drivers for my graphics card aren't even supported on linux, not to mention the lack of Linux beta drivers. Windows will allways be better, and that's a fact! Id rather pay for a block of gold, than pick up a pile of dog shit.

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DBsantos77

So just because your Graphics card isn't supported by Linux your bashing it? How is this Linux's problem? Have you ever thought of the ACTUAL MANUFACTURERS OF YOUR CARD NOT WANTING TO CREATE DRIVERS FOR WHAT THEY CALL A LOW AMOUNT OF LINUX USERS?

I understand how a lot of hardware has little or no driver support, the point is that it's not Linux's fault. Most of the time it's the companies that refuse to make the drivers, (ATi/AMD) to name one of them. Support is really not in Linux's favor.

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Wingzero_x

It's true, that the hardware manufacturers don't support Linux, but let's not forget making drivers costs money. Money that too many Linux users think they shouldn't have to pay. I've always said it and I think the biggest hold back for Linux is the FSF, the GNU licensing and the RMS philosiphies.

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DBsantos77

That's true, that would also go against the Open-Source, and free philosophy that linux tries to encourage as you said. If drivers were being developed Linux would also become partly proprietary.

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gendoikari1

My "open source" Creative Linux sound card drivers do jack shit. Although that can be attributed to the driver team at Creative having the collective intelligence of a bowl of fruit. There are alternative Windows drivers, but I can't seem to find any Linux ones (which, if they existed, would affirm the "community" aspect).

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dracx619

im a little dissapointed at this move since im not a fan of this type of advertising. however, it is tru to an extent....best buy being for a general consumer, a general user most likely  wont be able to take advantage of what linux has to offer. our of the box, linux cant play win games and cant handle windows programs natively. so in a way, its true but for those that know whats up, it leaves a sour taste.

its at least not as horrid as apples advertising

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AttilaTheHunk

WOW is rated platinum in WINE.

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foamcup

WOW is shit.

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To0nces

You realize there's a lot more games out there than just WoW?

I always hate when the Linux crowd pipes in and says "You can play any Windows games or Apps with Wine!"

That's simply not true. There are a lot of games and apps that don't work with Wine. If you want to play the latest games, they are not immdediately compatible with Wine. Therefore, as a gamer, Wine just really doesn't cut it. But even aside from games, there are a lot of apps that don't work as well.

Wine is great, but it's far from perfect.

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1337Goose

Agreed 

~Goose

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foamcup

10 bucks for a copy of 7? I use Linux, but I'll talk shit about it for a cheap copy of Windows 7, hell yes.  I got to get my game on, and you can't do that in Linux.

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DBsantos77

All aboard the "Linux can't play games" train! Seriously, quit following the crowd. It's obvious that you CAN play games on Linux, as the other user mentioned you can easily play HL2 with WINE. Granted, I don't think you can play Crysis or any ridiculous game out right now on a Linux box, but that wouldn't make much sense would it? :)

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ETNPNYS

What wouldn't make sense about that? Wanting to play good games on your computer? ...Or maybe wanting to play games that are less than 5 years old on your computer?

I think it makes perfect sense to want to play good, newer games in Linux.  

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DBsantos77

Your right, it does make total sense to play newer games on Linux, but how hard is it to install a modern game and run it without problems? That was my point, if there is such a way to install Crysis and run it in Linux then I'm all for it, but I've never researched it so I wouldn't know :)

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Wingzero_x

Who wants to go though the hassle that is WINE? Why can't games just run on Linux? Why is the GPL so restrictive? Why does it make it mandatory to open your entire code, if you just use a few lines of GPL code? Why can't it be more in line with the MPL, where you software can be open, and closed source?

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BaggerX

Your GPL comments have nothing to do with supporting games on Linux.  The main reason they aren't supported is that's it's a comparatively small market, and therefore not usually worth creating a Linux port.  Some companies do port some games, but most don't.  WINE tries to get around that by implementing DirectX decently.  This is generally lagging well behind the current versions, so newer games often won't run properly if at all.  Since Microsoft won't offer a version of DirectX for Linux, you just have to make due with WINE.  Bitch to Microsoft if you don't like that.

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Wingzero_x

Let's say a developer wants to port one of their games to Linux. If they put one line of GPL code in their cose, they have to open the whole thing. They cannot just state the GPL code they used, and keep their code secret. That is a big reason why many developers don't do Linux, for games or any thing else. hell look at all the crap Tivo stirred up. The MPL allows developers to keep thier code secret, but requires them to state the MPL code they used. I just think this gives more freedom to the developer.

 I'm not saying Linux should just become propietary, but they should allow developers to choose what they want to be open, and what they want to keep to themselves.

 But you know this could be worst. I once heard a Circuit City saleman tell a family that AMD (skt A Athlon XP days) couldn't do games like the Intel chips could! (and I even think he was refering to the Celeron!)

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Jubei

The next training course in that series bashes Macs. Although a $10 copy (price includes shipping) for Windows 7 Ultimate is a sweet deal... and it should ship a bit before the retail release, too.

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DBsantos77

They could've done this, but they already took care of apple with their Laptop Hunter ads.

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Jubei

Not that they could have done it, they already did. I just finished the "training" a few moments ago.

But I'll waste an hour of my time for a copy of win 7 ultimate - I'm running a RC of it now and was planning on purchasing it sooner or later anyways.

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Lord Omega

I have been a long time member on OCN and read that aticle as soon as it came up. God did it piss me off. I am a linux advacist and 90% of what has been said is complete BS. I have never seen linux not be able to take pics off of a camera and out of all the printers I have used, only one has not worked with linux (because it was BS scanner). Everything else works great. Hell I even had WoW running in wine just fine and even HL2 running.

 

 

Next time MS does this crap, I am going to punch every single on of the people that work there in the nuts!

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Wingzero_x

Problem is you are looking at it the way you do it, which will work 99.9% of the time. What you're missing though is seeing it the way the average (dumb) user pulls digital images off of their camera. Otherwise installing that bloated crapware off the CD that came with their camera. Since Linux seems to be unable to run bloatware, that CD won't work...and there is the truth.

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DBsantos77

I agree with you, it is a little over the top, also, what the hell did the penguin ever do to the windows flag? Anyways, I really like Linux, I used ubuntu the most but stopped because of the time it takes to install proprietary software. I will visit it in the future though.

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Jubei

What did Linux ever do to windows? They had the nerve to come installed on netbooks, that's what.

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To0nces

Yeah I'm actually quite surprised MS even bothered to do this. The Linux market is very tiny compared to the Windows install base, so I don't even know why they are paranoid. It's not like you have any good MS alternatives atm for netbooks.

You'd think they would go after Mac since they have a larger install base than Linux. but maybe they can't come up with enough good reasons to avoid a mac :P (I'm not a fan of Apple or Macs, just saying)

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DBsantos77

That's true but it's not like Microsoft had any type of comeback. The closest OS that can get next to a netbook is 7, and it's still in RC. I don't think vista would do so well in a netbook.

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lunchbox73

Exactly. It's not like they are losing any market share worth getting nervous about.

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elgilicious

It's not like the hillbillies who shop at Best Buy even know what Linux is.

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