Microsoft Exec: You Use The Taskbar, So We Killed The Start Button In Windows 8

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John Pombrio

Agree. I have been using Win8 betas since they came out and even on the fanboy Win8 forum site, it's pretty ugly, mostly about Metro. Funny thing is that Metro is NOT an issue to me, as I just skip over it with a keypress and it is easy to disable the associations that kick me into it. It is such an easy thing to ignore but BOY, the hate posts fly.
Too bad. Win8 has some nice improvements under the hood that can make it worth your while to upgrade IF you can get past the negative reviews.

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OS-Wiz

Yup, Win8 is up there right along with Win98SE and Vista!

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Shadow Death

I think what Microsoft is trying to do is beat the touch screens to the market with this software. Though I don't think they thought of this but even windows 7 doesn't have very good touch screen support. That seems to be the main focus of this os.

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Sty

I see absolutely no problem with Windows 8.

So the start button is gone, so what? Is it really THAT hard to get your mouse to where it was, and click the metro popup? Or pressing the damn Windows button on your keyboard? C'mon, seriously.

And stop crying about the metro UI, it's not that bad, it's rather cool actually. You get apps, they automatically get updated (news, mail, etc) looks excellent and is very responsive and easy to use. You're not given a never ending list of programs and sections, it's just what you want to use, which can also be pinned to your taskbar.

Luckily I tried the preview myself.

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Mortal_M

You lost me when you said "apps"

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Sty

What in the world are you on about? Does it matter if I use the word applications instead of programs?

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OS-Wiz

So, how is Pollyanna today?

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Mortal_M

replied to the wrong person

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Sty

What? Am I meant to find some stupid silly things to complain about, just so I can whine and join in with the rest?

Also comparing Win8 to 98 and Vista is bullshit.

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OS-Wiz

We shall see Pollyanna, won't we!

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ness64

This is ridiculous. I use the start button every-time!

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USraging

I have tried out the release preview and it doesn't feel like a new operating system, it just feels like win7 with a few changes smashed together with touch screen functions. as far as the pin to taskbar, i have 5 things pinned, and most applications i access from shortcuts on my desktop.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

They're making excuses, inventing behaviors, and citing trends that likely do not exist, to whitewash the single worst design decision in their history.

Windows 8 will be a debacle.

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Meat_Juice

Most plausible explanation I've read yet.

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fry

I pin everything I need on a daily basis, but so what? Does that mean I don't like options? MS has decided to launch a holy war against the start menu, and apparently the only thing I can do about it is not buy Windows 8.

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allc0re

Um... no, Microsoft.
I use my Start Menu every time I use my computer. I don't much like having to try to put the mouse over the 2 "special" pixels in the bottom left corner to get there (especially on a dual-monitor config with the Taskbar on the righ-hand screen). I will be using an add-on to add the Start Button back... if I even go to 8.

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pastorbob

Ditto!

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OS-Wiz

Total BS -- they could give a sh1t about desktop users now-a-days. They are hunting the tablet and phone market.

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rsaotome

Why is MS so dedicated in making sure I don't buy their next OS?

I'm really trying very hard to understand these decisions in removing options many of us have to come to love & depend on. Would it really be so bad to give end users the option to remove or keep the Start Button, as well as Aero?

Can't wait to see what MS does next to piss us off.

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bautrey

I don't pin every single program I use on my taskbar because when I have too many, I'm very likely to accidently launch the wrong program. Usually that program is a game or just massive program and takes forever to launch, which wastes time out of my day.

Since I have to many miscellaneous programs that I occasionally use, I like to open up the start menu and type the name of the program in order to launch it.

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alabasterdragon

I think Microsoft should try polling outside of their own offices. I admit that I use pinned icons, but I heavily used the quick launch for my common task. Everything else I've always used the start button since Win95.

What I don't see if how "most people" are doing this. I'd say 90% of my customers don't use either. They have 10,000 icons on their desktop, even folders full of icons. I still readily get the: "My program isn't installed anymore....well the icon isn't on the desktop so it's not installed"

So I say, Microsoft might want to try polling these things outside of IT departments.

Hell the only reason 9 out of 10 homes don't have a movie player (VCR or DVD) with a flashing "12:00" is because most companies figured out the average person was too dumb to program them and the clock circuit was a was of money. Microsoft expects these people to figure out something other than a start menu that has take them 10+ years to figure out!

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Zoandar

Considering I quickly adapted Win7 to the WinXP style of Start Menu using Classic Shell, I can say I didn't like where they were heading with the revamped Win7 Start Menu anyway. Perhaps what they don't realize, in their confused state, is not that Win7 users used the Start "button" less, but that they completely avoided the whole Win7 Start MENU because it is so whacked. In fact all of the Windows Explorer format in Win7 is dominated by putting all the crap you won't use at your fingertips, and forcing you to dig several levels deep to get to the files and folders you really want to access. I only started liking Win7 after I found ways around all the new BS they sprayed all over the GUI. Thank goodness for aftermarket developer utilities to make Win7 actually useful. I presume those same folks will release total GUI overhauls for Win8 once they find ways around its stock layout.

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alwrmcusn

I VERY RARELY use the task bar, but I use the start button dozens of times a day. What's the problem with leaving it there! Is it taking up too much desktop space? Geez MS, Stop changing things just for the heck of changing them!!
I'm old, set in my ways, ain't gonna change my habits, cause I like my habits!

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wolfing

I used XP for like 8 years. Looks like I'll use W7 for 8 years too

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alabasterdragon

I stuck with Win 3.11 with the win32s addon until Win95C came out, then moved to win98, ignored WinME and 2000, then moved to WinXP. I flushed Vista like the turd it was, and moved from XP to Win7. Maybe they will get their heads out of to hole Vista went down and figure out what they did wrong AGAIN.

Microsoft seems to be developing the same pattern Corel did with CorelDraw 1.0 thru 7.0. Every other version after the first sucks like a black hole. No matter how much work they put in on the off years, they only get it right after fixing the thousands of pages of customer complaints before getting it right again.

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Kinetic

"People used it a lot less in Windows 7 than in previous versions of the operating system."

Wut? I have three things pinned to my taskbar (Coretemp, GPU-Z, and Firefox) and only the recycle bin on my desktop. Everything else I get to via my start button, and it still really isn't some massive, convoluted list of programs.
I can see giving the option to disable it, but to just say "Nah, you don't need this" and remove it all together is very... Apple... of them.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

The irony of that statement is that Apple gives you far more control than Windows 8 will. Ta da!

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wolfing

well, they did something similar with Office's ribbon (which I still hate and haven't got used to it)

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gmvolk

I don't really use the start button much, except to type in the run bar(or whatever it's called in Win7). I also don't pin to the taskbar, I use Rainmeter and several launch bars to get to my most important programs, and for everything else start/run/type what I want. Yeah I guess that is using the start menu, but only a small part of it. Probably won't miss it if I went to Win8 which won't happen anyway.

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hammeredtoast

I really don't use my Start button very much, come to think of it...

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supakeepa

Doesn't microsoft know that most of the people who allow them to collect usage data are compu noobs. Right now I have 5 icons on my taskbar. Why give people another reason to change OS's? Now I'm going to have to spend the next year trying to teach my relatives how to use Windows all over again.... sigh.

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mainlander

OK, I'll admit that I don't use the start button all the time, BUT I STILL USE IT.

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paschal

And just how many people here were polled by MS as to what we do or not do..... now or previously? If they do know they are snooping without permission, and if they really do not know, they are lying!

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DoctorX

it is that big brotherware that they have i think is called ms experience... I always say no to improving the windows experience

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RaptorJohnson

If they polled us we would just say that we are happy with win7.

They can't re-sell us win7.

You still have a valid point, though.

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Dartht33bagger

I've been running Windows 7 since the day it came out and I have never pinned anything. It clutters up the taskbar in my opinion, and I still exclusively use the start menu to open programs. It's fine though, I won't be getting Windows 8 anyways.

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t.y.wan

What a bunch of idiots...
If you want to argue less people are using the "start button" then what about other applications like sound recorder, media player, tablet services, snipping tool, word pad, connect to projector, remote desktop, sticky notes, sync center, most games, back up and restore, create repair disc... etc?
Most people don't even use these functions. They are needed when there are problems to solve and there isn't a easier tool to use.
They still come pre-installed without much of a reason and most of them cannot even be removed.
What a bunch of genius working there...

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Scatter

I'd like to know how Microsoft knows if we're using the Start button or not. Does Microsoft have a key logger built into windows 7?

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Richard Howington

If you have the Send usage information anonymously box checked they can gather whatever info they want. I pin a few things but not MS Office or utilities and I don't want them cluttering up my screen. Let's see if the start button returns in the first Service Pack. If not, hopefully in Win 9. I plan on sticking with 7 anyway. I have played with Win 8 RC enough that I don't see the advantage of upgrading.

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Supall

Many users choose not to opt-out of Microsoft's feedback option.

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DoctorX

bullshit... just about all the power users I know and businesses, this the first thing disabled.

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Supall

" all the power users ***I*** know and businesses"

The world is larger than you think, Asshat. Businesses who are Microsoft partners are much more likely to want to participate in improving MS products. PCs bought with Windows pre-installed may also end up having that option already enabled.

Point is, Microsoft's OS is worldwide. Your 1000 users pale in comparison to the hundreds of millions of users of Windows.

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Blues22475

That's also what I am asking. I'd also like to know where they get their information from.

Personally, I very rarely pin things to my desktop. I still use the Start Menu, but I use RocketDock, as well.

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majorsuave

Can't wait to see all the IT service tickets come in when users cannot find their stuff after Win 8 rollout.

I predict more tickets than there are Galaxy pre-orders.

Windows 8 will be know as IT nightmare... when their non-tech-friendly hordes of users get dead scared and lost

* Note: Dear Maximum PC, I would appreciate if your server could recognize my login address as one from a subscriber to the paper version and, as such, stop asking me to fill a captcha to verify I am not a spam bot.

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DoctorX

^ This ^

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rorrr

Microsoft mentioned their telemetry data on the Start Menu and Taskbar in their earlier posts explaining the new Start screen

b8 blog: 'Reflecting on your comments on the Start screen'

"As Alice mentioned in a previous blog post ('Designing the Start screen'), the current Start menu is primarily used for launching infrequently used apps, while users continue to launch more frequently used apps from the taskbar and Explorer. In fact, 88% of app launches are from outside the Start menu today."

the new Start screen, or Start + search, could be used the same way as the Start menu--with the added benefit of glanceable information

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Rcapps

launchy ftw!!

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Trooper_One

I rarely pin anything to the task bar, it just gets too messy like Apple's O/S.

I only pin the most important ones down on the bottom left (e.g. FF, Calculator, Windows Explorer).

I still like the shut down button from the Start menu - I really miss it under Win8.

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eastbayrae

How is it that when Apple does something you're all wet with anticipation and when MS does something you think they are the anti-Christ? There is no pleasing you ladies. I welcome the change. The only thing I am mad about is having to wait for the devices to catch up with the new OS.

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SilverSurferNHS

im right there with you, i don't get all the bitching and complaining - after i gave it a chance, it wasn't so much of a 90degree change as it was an evolution of the start menu and i grew to like it - i could use either. Windows is still there... its not like it was crippled cuz of the new interface - once the apps i use stop wrecking W8 i'll be all over it again because of the new usability changes... i don't pin much to my taskbar anyway because i like having the names of the open programs/ folders so i don't have to wait a sec each time i hover over a square to find out which folder i need to highlight...

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