Microsoft Exec: You Use The Taskbar, So We Killed The Start Button In Windows 8

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daemonfox

I could only stand to read about half of the comments... cry babies all of you.

You dont like Win 8? Skip it like you skipped Vista.

You miss Aero? Repeat first instruction.

Miss your special Start button? Cry harder... you apparently lack the ability to evolve digitally.

Who cares if it looks more like OSX? WHO EFFING CARES?!? In case you didn't stop to look at every product coming down the pipe, nothing uses a "Start" button anymore. They all have a main "app" view that lets you choose what you want to do... from opening the settings to launching a browser and back to streaming a video... they all work the same.... you just use them,, so what you are mad because you have to "swap" into tablet mode to see all your precious icons? Get real... the industry moved on long ago... menu is dead... full screen sliding panels full of your apps are the win now.

I read most of these comments and gag a bit... the majority of you clearly show how little you know about user experience in an OS. Removal of Aero... CHECK (win for desktop load times and PC boot), a synchronous scaling of products able to use the SAME operating system, perform the SAME functions, and use the SAME software, from a lowly handheld to a monster home server (my 6 core 16 GB Media Center that streams all my 4 TB of media to my sons XBOX360, my PS3 and streams to the wife's iTouch, while also hosting my personal Apache/PHP/MySQL development server and acting as my current gaming rig... yes I installed all that on my Win 8 Preview... gotta know for sure lol)... CHECK, building in support for Touch Screen AIO PCs RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX without having to fiddle with the settings to make it work... CHECK!

And those are just the tip of the iceberg. The rest of the cry babies will be even more mad that Microsoft DID listen... and has announced upgrades from Win 7 for $40... FORTY BUCKS OMFG... see... cry more... please... maybe Microsoft will release XP to a GPL or something and you can have your start menu and desktop icons for free lol.

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LatiosXT

If Microsoft keeps the toolbars, you guys can have your own Start Button.

But otherwise I'd miss it because I customize my All Programs menu so I can just to Start -> type something in search -> Enter

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Cregan89

You can still do that in the Windows 8 Start screen. It actually works better and faster than it did in the Start menu.

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Keith E. Whisman

I tend to use the Search in that start menu, the list on the right half of the start menu, the top section of icons in the All Programs section of the start menu and the first page of the Start Menu. Sure I rarely use the start menu to launch an individual program from the All Programs files, but that doesn't mean the Start Menu isn't useful. Hell it's such a good idea that Linux has a Star Menu of it's own in most Linux GUI's.

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Nurface

I'd like to know where Microsoft gets this information about how users are using taskbar and short cuts more often then start. I think that statement is for advanced users which aren't the majority. I know most users don't even know to hold windows key and key combinations ex windows +d, +e, +f etc....

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Rift2

I'll buy this if Microshaft charges $29.95 nothing in the $100.00 mark though and I'll only use it on my surfing PC not my gaming PC

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aarcane

Yeah, I pin the stuff I use every day. It'll almost always have an icon open, and reserving a slot for it just makes sense. But there's so much more I use less frequently that I wish was still only 1 click away, in the start menu, where it belongs. As I posted previously, the functionality of the start menu should be expanded, while the prominence should be reduced. the result: a more useful and less obtrusive interface placing all the second-tier functionality a click away.

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pratikrawankar

K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Silly or Stupid

MS trying to make it simple but actually they are making it hard
Aero kill confirm , Metro confirm , Start button kill confirm

for low end touch_tablet & High end PC have same OS

Silly & Stupid

Metro is sucking a lot on desktop & MS support is willing to die
MS already have overworked devs

we want more Windows 8 preview __OS is incomplete

NTFS file system for OS is sucking over need imidiate ReFS in consumer OS

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SPreston2001

Wow.... I do in fact use my start button quite often. When I need to search for something like device manager, access control panel, my notepad, pin my cmd prompt shortcut there etc. I understand I can probably pin a shortcut to everything on the taskbar but thats not what I want to do. I use my taskbar for other applications so I like having the start button there to tuck away the lesser used programs and features. Im pretty much sold on not downgrading to Win8. To me it seems like Microsoft is trying to be more like Apple by stripping down things and trying to make it simpler but in reality making it harder...

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I can say that I've never used the pin feature since I've had Windows 7. I do, however, use the Start button all of the time.

Further, Microsoft is indeed trying to be more Apple-esque but failed to do what Apple does best. If Microsoft has succeeded at anything with this whole endeavor, it's to push more people to Apple products once they can't figure out how to use the new interface.

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barbara009

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bling581

I rarely use the Start Menu because most of my everyday programs are a shortcut on my desktop, or in a shortcut folder. However, when I do need to use a random program I use the Start Menu where it's conveniently listed. Without the Start Menu I'll have to put shortcuts for everything on my desktop, because there's no way I'm going to randomly search through folders in my C: directory. Not all programs are easy to find and some hide themselves within several folders.

I pin programs to my taskbar at work, and you can only put so many before it's a mess.

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SPreston2001

Exactly! I dont want my taskbar and desktop being cluttered with shortcuts to everything imaginable....

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dracx619

all this crazy hate is starting to remind me of windows 7 when it was getting ready to launch. on here and many websites, there were comments after comments about how xp was still better and how they were trying to copy osx, and so on. what i've also noticed is the most hate seems to come from the commenters from this site. its astonishing to me! is it because most of you guys are typical IT guys? really, im just curious because while i do see plenty of negativity from other sites, it really seems that max pc commenters are among the most vocal.

after using the release preview for a good while now, i use it primarily on my macbookpro. i genuinely like it and can't wait for it to be completed. having all my important emails, calendar, news, sports, contacts all there in front of me has kind of made working a little more fun. that may sound stupid but its true. after getting over the learning curve, its not that complicated. start typing on the metro screen, and its basically a way better start menu. i can still go to the desktop, re arrange any open programs on the screen however i want, alt+tab still works the same, its pretty much the same windows 7 experience.

the metro apps ive downloaded serve their purpose well and can't wait for the big boys to start releasing their apps.

to each their own but i feel this is the right path...offer people a large, easy to use and navigate interface but still offer the desktop to work in a more traditional environment. its all learning curve, once you get used to it, eventually you may like it and if not, no one is forcing you to upgrade just yet. look at the xp folks, many of them still rocking their old favorite.

really guys, you just gotta grow up and stop being a bunch of whiners. you want the start button back? great, let microsoft know. if the collective voice is loud enough, who knows they might listen. but all this hate is so childish. i used to be the same with apple, now i just don't care. i still don't like the company and many of their blind followers but i'm done wasting my energy being an apple "hater"

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bootz

The response Windows 8 is going to generate in the marketplace will turn the reception Vista received into a fond memory for Microsoft. I have never seen a corporation marching toward disaster like Microsoft is with Win 8. Remember "New Coke"?

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gothliciouz

was it really necessary to kill it? why not just leave it as an option?...wtf is wrong with this people at microsoft.

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super_duper

Is it really that difficult to give users the option?

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Deviate

Back to Program Manager.

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Teeebs

Maybe with enough pressure from PC users, Micro$oft will give us the start button back...for an extra $20. Don't like Metro, that'll be another $20 to get rid of it permanently....etc, etc....you get the idea. Brilliant new business model....

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ibsteve2u

Because you primarily use the gas pedal, we have removed the brake pedal.

Respectfully,

Your Automobile Vendor

P.S. Take advantage of current deals before air bag prices go up!

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maxeeemum

This is old news and M$ has been saying this for awhile. Most are not buying it. I added a start menu app to my W8 previews.

Still I wouldn't use Windows 8 if it was free. W8 is DOA and will be M$ biggest failure ever.

Bye bye Ballmer, Sareen and the rest.

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cmasupra

Without a Start button, how are we supposed to access applications for which we haven't put a shortcut on the desktop or pinned to the taskbar? Does the Metro interface take over that functionality?

I personally like the Start menu. You can bring it up without minimizing what you're currently looking at. Sometimes I need to look at a window that I have open while I am doing something in the Start menu.

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abowlofsoda

everyone is so focused on that stupid start button that wacky things like the multitasking in Windows 8 are overshadowed. What the hell is with the 2 window multitasking and you cant resize them how you want them.

When I think Microsoft that goofy Balmer's face pops into my head. Thats one kooky company.

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pratikrawankar

we want more windows 8 preview

this product is not finish

aero back and c drive with REFS filesystem

MS kills directX 12 to promote xbox 360
my bad wishes are with u MS windows 8 is already been dead

it takes me 10 mins when 1st time i use win 8 without watching keynote

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PhuxAche

Man, wtf are you on about in relation to DX12 being "killed" off for Xbox360?

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PhuxAche

As I've said countless times... and will say it again.....

Microsoft will never learn. They never listen either.

Until that day happens, we'll never have that OS we all wish for...

Microsoft will always do the complete opposite that the end user wants. I'm sure they enjoy being awkward as feck!

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livebriand

This is just stupid. I showed my mom this (who can use a computer but isn't great it or anything), and she hated it. How is the average user, who's probably like her, supposed to figure this out? Couldn't they have at least made the shutdown button obvious? (maybe put it in the bottom right of the metro screen rather than hiding it where no one will find it?)

Plus, now they're getting rid of aero, making things extra ugly? I'll be sticking with Windows 7 for the next decade at this rate.

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Sty

"How is the average user, who's probably like her, supposed to figure this out?"

By using it and getting used to it. It's not that hard you know. You're making it sound like she has to use the command prompt to use Windows 8.

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pratikrawankar

+1

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praack

ok a nice +1 = but if it is a OS that is not that user freindly then it is a fail.

if it is ok for touch screens and tablets and the person is laptop and desktop driven then it fails

change should be for the better not 1 step forward 2 steps back

to remove the start button and force someone to enter keystrokes to start programs, fill the page with icons and pin others - is insane.

and after trying out the application for 6 months- I can tell you it is not made for mouse/keyboarding - and I am not a tablet mann

so doing touch screen gestures on my touch pad is out for me

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Sty

Well no doubt that Windows 8 is focusing mainly on tablets, and whilst I would love for Windows 8 to be this spectacular thing, it isn't.

But after 10-15 mins of use, I knew exactly where everything was and was using it like I designed the damn thing. It's no that bad, really.

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Philippe Lemay

I've never understood the use of the Start button... really. Aside for the search engine tucked away in there of course. It's always struck me as the awkward middle-child of the access world. Less organized than My Computer and my C: drive, and less easy to access than the desktop. Installed programs and games always seem to throw themselves into it quite randomly, and some key parts of it are locked, so I can't reorganize it as I see fit. I really wouldn't miss it if it disappeared tomorrow.

That being said... I doubt I'll be switching to Windows 8, there seem to be a lot of other things that are weird with it other than just a missing Start button.

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John Pombrio

Funny, I was just commenting on the Win8 forum that to me, Metro is like the Start Menu in Win7. I long ago stopped using the Start button for anything and I have found that I completely ignore Metro now without thinking about it.
I also completely ignore pinning stuff to the taskbar, using TrueLaunchBar instead (MUCH easier than start menu and pinned icons).
I guess it's what you are used to.
Phillipe, Win8 desktop is very, very close to the Win7 desktop and is more responsive to boot. You will be pleasantly surprised how similar they are. No worries there.

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PhuxAche

The START button is the hub of the OS!
It's people like YOU that's gave us this stupid "Metro" look. Thanks!

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leetNightshade

+1

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omen3330

Correction, the desktop is the hub of the system, that is why it is the first thing you see, that you haven't properly set it up the way you want it is a different story. As for me, I'm more upset about the multitasking and the fact that they are using a perfectly good hotcorner for something that already has a keyboard shortcut.

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leetNightshade

@omen3330

In Windows 7, it's the start menu. Unless you already have everything you need put on the desktop, how do you access it? The start menu, from which you can access your file system.

"The desktop is the hub of the system, that is why it is the first thing you see". Yes, but it's also usually the last thing I see as well. After I read your comment I tried to remember what my desktop looked like, and I had to Win+D to remember. When you have windows upon windows open, I prefer to quickly switch to my start menu and open up what I need, rather than referring to a two button shortcut (Win+D), trying to find what I need if it's there, moving the mouse to it, double clicking it. Besides the wasted time, all of my other windows are now minimized; I could normally do Win+D again, but this won't work since I'm opening another program or file. I pin my most used programs in my own quick launch panel similar to Vista, and pin everything else to my start menu. Anything else can be accessed through search, or through a Library or My Computer. For me personally, on my home computer, the desktop is not the hub of my computer. I rarely see it, and prefer to have all of whatever icons are there hidden.

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Luminosity47

+1

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pratikrawankar

+1

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GamerDave

I prefer the minimalist approach:

-Only icon on desktop = recycle bin
-Minimal pinned shortcuts ~ 1 or 2

Ideally, if someone sits down at my computer, I want them to think, "now what do I do?"

I don't think that it's a computer nerd mentality. I'm not much of a computer whiz. What it is though is one part of my life that I can organize however I like. I prefer that it is highly organized and the real information is a few clicks deep.

At this point, I really DO NOT enjoy the Win8 Consumer Preview because of the lack of Start Button. Surely, MS will add it once they admit to themselves that <1% of users are at or above the level that they imagine. I "wow" people with my skills and really only know and .

I'm sure however it goes, we will eventually adjust.

Dave

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Meat_Juice

Dido.

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jaygregz

"Shrug" I use the start menu a lot. But If I ever decide to upgrade I'm sure someone will have added a start menu so I'm not overly concerned. Seems like a nerd rage to get mad at a company that you know doesn't listen to their consumers. Certainly at least a waste of breathe. Unfortunately, We are somewhat stuck with Windows. I am a crazed linux junkie but the hard facts are that we are going to have to deal with windows 8 no matter if we like it or not. Or at least I will have to. Being the "Guru" guy plenty of people will be asking me to "FIX" their porn infested computers that they bought loaded with windows 8. I might as well get used to not having a start menu.

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iamtheceo

Not really happy with this idea to be honest. I hope this changes soon.

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metalsphere

I am not fully convinced that removing the Start Button in Windows 8 will make it better. Making the removal of it optional seems the most appropriate route.

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vig1lant3

How the hell do they know that I'm using my task bar?

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misterz100

As probably said up here someplace, why not you know...give the option to have the start menu or not?

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aarcane

The proper answer was to make the start menu a smaller icon, but to expose more functionality directly through more efficient use of space. Power, volume, system tray icon functionality. Application searcing, of course, and direct links to shutdown, restart, hibernate (if enabled) suspend, etc. without diving a menu deeper would have been an awesome improvement. Getting rid of it, however, was an immeasurable atrocity.

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Shadow Death

To be honest, it will take some getting used to but I may not miss it much. I use the windows key to open the start menu so not having it there won't kill me. Even then, I use the windows button on my keyboard then start typing and let the search function find what I'm looking for. From what I've seen in windows 8's releases the search function is a little more refined. Then again, I remember the time when windows didn't have a start menu or a task bar for that matter.

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Budman_NC

Shadow Death, That's it! Windows 8 is the new Windows 3.1!

As a side note, the file manager in Win 3.1 was way better than the one in Win 95. We're just stuck in a vicious cycle!

I've been using Win8 RP for awhile now and I don't hate it completely. I can still do most everything in the familiar desktop and add desktop icons if I so chose or pin to the status bar. Like John said, I just pretty much ignore Metro and never really bother with it. The shutdown location is just pure idiotic. Something I've not seen mentioned much so it may be me, but I don't see a way to close a program once I'm done with it. Going to another program adds the previous program to a list you get to by hovering up in the top left corner. After awhile, you have a long list of open programs and you have to go up there and close them by right click, close. I still think Mom and Dad and the grandparents aren't going to like this very much. This kind of a change in the UI should be implemented much more slowly by allowing a choice back to the familiar UI to give people a chance to learn the new one. That way, they can still get work done in a familiar environment and then switch over to the new one and learn their way around at their leisure. M$ is using a 'sink or swim' mentality and no one likes having something new shoved down their throat.

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Neufeldt2002

One of the things I have noticed about Windows 8 that reminds me of Vista is the comments that people are making. With Vista there was an over whelming number of people that did not like it, but there were a few that liked it. The comment section for 8 is the exact same thing. For those that actually do like 8 they cannot see why people hate it. The same thing holds true in the other direction too. And then you have those that are vested in making it a success because they are programming for it and hoping that it will make them money.

I personally will be glad when windows 8 finally gets released, then we will see who is correct. But one thing for those that like it, Windows 7 had great reviews since it's inception, the same cannot be said for Windows 8.

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