Microsoft Critical of Samsung Galaxy S4's Price Compared to Nokia's Lumia 521

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spalumi

i love my Windows Phone!

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lordfirefox

I don't care how much it costs I still will not be buying their shitty Windows phones.

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lindethier

I love my Windows Phone! I had an iPhone 3g before jumping to Android over the course of a Droid 1, Droid Incredible, and an Droid X before making the switch to WP. All of the different phones are pretty good, but I just prefer the clean, bright look of the Metro UI, and the tight integration of all the different services into the OS.

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warptek2010

I love the conclusion to their argument on how much money you save you can THEN buy other things. That's a mighty big assumption that I would spend the savings on basically what amounts to toys and accessories for the toys.

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Sirius

You'd be surprised how many people walk in to T-Mobile or Verizon or AT&T to get a phone, even a free one, and walk out the door with every accessory imaginable for their new phone. Even I've walked in only to leave with my wallet much lighter. But as others have pointed out, your only saving money compared to other people that buy out of contract. Looks like Microsoft and Nokia have come up with a loss leader to bolster Windows 8 Phone sales. Great idea.

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miked6875

Looks like ole microshaft is really getting desperate.

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Renegade Knight

T-Mobile has introduced non contract non subsidy pricing. It does save you money over the subsidized plans. However it not a steller amount of savings.

That said, that's the kind of plan that a 150 phone makes work a lot better than the laptop priced smart phones. If it's fully featured. On T-Mobile it does make a difference.

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eastbayrae

Way to much plastic used in the S4. Is it really that much of an upgrade over an s3 or iPhone5? Nope.

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stradric

I see what you are saying about the plastic: you are getting a cheaper material at the same price as a phone with higher quality material. But as far as practicality, most people enclose their phones in a cheap plastic protective case anyway. The plastic vs glass/aluminum argument seems moot at that point.

Also, have you considered that having plastic cuts cost, which might allow manufacturers to include features such as micro SD expansions and replaceable batteries? The good thing about Android is that if you don't like plastic or don't need a micro SD expansion, there's another handset out there that will fit your needs. No one said you needed an S4.

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Opm2

Putting a metal case around an antenna is amateur at best.

That's why samsung phones actually make phone calls.

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Peanut Fox

Are there complains of reception issues on the One due to it's aluminum case?

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Opm2

Not hard to use that fancy website google!

And yes, there are.

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Peanut Fox

I did several searches. No wide spread issues are showing up at all. One guy showing he's having a problem on youtube is the most I've seen. I was asking because I was thinking of picking one of these up. However, I'm beginning to think you're just making noise over nothing.

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Opm2

I don't know what you used for your search criteria.

https://encrypted.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=dropped+calls+HTC+one&oq=dropped+calls+HTC+one&gs_l=hp.12..0i8l4.1201.6896.0.8716.21.18.0.3.3.1.316.4107.0j6j10j2.18.0...0.0.0..1c.1.15.psy-ab.JsT_SOoFZMY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47244034,d.aWM&fp=9745b774bca4f8d2&biw=1920&bih=955

Nets 19 million results.

The predessescor to my ASUS tablet had an aluminum case and it severly hindered the GPS reception. They changed it to a plastic case and viola! It works great.

It's just simple physics. Shrouding your antenna in metal is not a good idea.

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Peanut Fox

Considering that HTC has 5 or 6 phones that have the one moniker, and most all the results from the search aren't for the metal 2013 variant, I fail to see HTC's phone being metal an issue. 19,000,000 results, and on the first page only the one at the bottom has to do with the phone being discussed. Granted Google searches add personal criteria into the mix so one person's results will not be the same as yours.

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jeffroland

Way too much plastic? That's your criteria for what's worth an upgrade? Once you put a case on it, as 99% of smartphone users do, you'll rarely, if ever, see the plastic again.

The S4 has a plastic back, yes, but it is not cheap plastic by any means and the rim around the sides is a nice polished metal. Also the glass and display outshine the iphone easily. But that's not why I bought the phone. It's what's on the inside that makes the upgrade to the S4 very attractive. The processor, the camera, the outstanding display really set this apart from other phones.

I've had the S4 for about a week now. I have friends and relatives that own the iPhone 5 and S3. While they are certainly fine phones, I would gladly pay the $199 upgrade for the S4 (if I were them). It is without a doubt the finest phone I've ever used.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Unless it cooks me breakfast, there isn't a phone out there inherently worth $700 bucks. I think $150 is perfectly reasonable offering, even if it is from Microsoft.

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jeffroland

The S4 costs me $199 with a two year re-commitment to Verizon which I would have done anyway. My monthly rate stays the same no matter if I pay the $199 with two year commitment or pay for the full price of the phone ($700). If you're the type of person that really wants an unlocked phone and you don't care that it's a middle of the road phone, then by all means get the Nokia or whatever Android based phone is comparable.

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Sirius

Yes but the difference is whether you need the data plan or not. For instance, the only time I'm not somewhere where I have wifi is while I'm driving and I'm not likely to need or use data while driving. I know for a fact that with Verizon it doesn't matter because if you have a smartphone with them you are required to take the data plan. However with T-Mobile, the data plan is optional. And with AT&T you are only required to have data if you buy a smartphone under contract with them. So you can actually save a HUGE chunk of money if you pick up the Nokia 521 out of contract through T-Mobile and opt out of the data plan.

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boidsonly

It is just my personal preference of android over the Win Phone look and features.

I can't fault anyone for going the "subsidized" route unless you have an unlimited data plan. I keep my data plan by purchasing used current model phones from a variety of sources, such as CL. This allows me to change phones whenever a good deal comes along...

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jason2393

Is there a comparison of how much these two phones cost to build anywhere?

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diizzymatt

The s4 only costs 650 off contract and unlocked anywhere I've seen it.
That being said I would still rather pay the 650 for an s4 over 150 for any Windows phone any day of the week

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stradric

Yep. Verizon has the S4 16GB for $650 off contract. The S4 has a Micro SD slot too, so that 16GB is quite adequate. I'm not seeing a 32GB model, but I'd imagine it would retail for $750.

A 16GB Nexus 4 is $350. I'm not sure how it compares spec wise to the Nokia.

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pcguy94

The nexus 4 blows the Nokia out of the water. The nokia isn't even close to the Nexus 4 specs wise. http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Nokia-Lumia-520,Google-Nexus-4/phones/7745,7531

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Zstreek

Here is the thing about "contract price." When I buy a phone, I pay the same for my service whether I have a contract or not. So, if I don't get the sweet discount that comes with a contract I loose out on a lot of "free" money. (I trade my freedom to switch providers, which is worth nothing to me, for a subsidized phone.)
I like to take advantage of subsidized pricing because I can get a $750 phone for $200. Then in 2 years I can sell the phone on ebay for $200 (because the phone off contract is so expensive and therefore valuable) and turn around and put that $200 into the next latest greatest thing. I can continue to do this forever. That way I get the best phone available every 2 years with no cost other than service, which I pay anyway, and my initial investment of $200 for my very first phone.

Sorry Microsoft, I like having the best for free. Let me know when you can beat that.

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d3v

I don't live in the US but I did some googling and found a price comparison site:

http://www.whistleout.com/

According to this site you can get prepaid plans from $30-35 a month. So there are some savings to be had if you buy the phone outright.

Also compared to my country mobile phone airtime is very expensive in the US.

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warptek2010

Do you truly think you're getting something for nothing? Businesses stay in business being stupid? This is why I am against raising corporate tax rates or imposing huge fines on corporations, not because I love corporations but simply because in the end they don't actually pay anything, they carry the cost on to consumers. It's all in the book keeping. So go right on believing what you believe, it costs me nothing.

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Renegade Knight

You aren't getting the best for free. You are making the most of your plans artificially high price.

If phones were sold separately from plans, you could get a much better plan price and probably save more money overall buying your phone at retail. Competition would drive down phone prices fairly fast if they had to compete directly.

Alas that's not the world we live in.

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Neufeldt2002

Same here. It doesn't matter what the cost of the phone is. I still pay $70.00 a month for unlimited access. So if the phone cost me $750.00, I am out $750.00 + $70.00/month, hardly a savings there, but if I wait for their specials I get the phone for free plus $70.00/month. So I signed a contract, big whoop, it still costs more to buy the phone off contract where I live.

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tom_m

"(and because it’s a Windows Phone, it does so arguably better than Android)"

That will go over well.

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ddimick

Truly, I'm unaware of anyone but Microsoft and Nokia who are attempting to make this argument.

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