Mac Clone Maker Crushed in Court

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Khaled

If I had to hackintosh I rather do it myself and not pay some company to do it for me.

MaximumPC posted an excellent guide a few weeks ago.

 

 

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B10H4Z4RD

im sorry that im not willing to shell out thousands of dollars on a product that may just work, but isn't worth the money.

nice pic btw maxpc, i remember the 'mac users are whiney losers' article. i remember it fondly... 

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gendoikari1

Hell, Apple allowed Mac clones to flourish for a short while, but then introduced System 8 (and saying that the clone manufacturers could only sell System 7) in order to weasel out of the deal. They must have some sort of crack ninja lawyer team down in Cupertino, hiding in their basement.

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Caboose

 Either that, or they're all ON Crack. Maybe Steve Jobs has taken up taking Acid again...

 

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gendoikari1

"Woah, dude..... it's a computer.... but in a CUBE!"

-Creation of the NeXTcube 

"Woah, dude..... it's a computer.... but in a CUBE(tm)!"

-Creation of the Power Mac G4 Cube 

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whiskey

Macimum: you just contradicted yourself.

If OS X was truly open, we wouldn't have this court case. We could install OS X on any computer we wanted, and there would be an open market. 

If you could buy OS X and install it on any machine, without going the hackintosh route, then OS X market share would definitely grow.

Of course, if everybody was installing OS X on their computers, it would work about as well as Windows (driver issues, hardware issues, etc.), since the hardware control that Apple prefers would be lost. 

The reason OS X works so well is because Apple controls the hardware it's installed on.

So we have a catch-22. Either have a stable, closed OS, tied to the hardware (Mac), or an OS that is legally available to everybody, but comes with the pitfalls of too many hardware variables (Windows/Linux).

Now, what if Microsoft sued Apple for letting people install Windows on a Mac? If that sounds absurd, then you may now understand why Apple suing Psystar seems a little evil.

Don't be a fanboy of either side. 

History has shown both companies have had a lot of failures, and anti-trust/anti-competive practices. 

It's like Coke vs. Pepsi. They both want your money, but come in slightly different formulas. 

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Righteous Fury

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

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ar09

apple is right. nobody can use apple stuff without apple's permision. and that's final.

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spurdy

I see Apple down the path of Microsoft. They unfairly DRM their music, force you to use AT&T for cell service in order to use an I-Phone, and charge almost double for their computers, and now persue every law suite possible. It's a new age when you see all this from apple and Microsoft giving you free use of their OS (Windows 7) for over a year.

SP

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jamevay

come on Paul, you are a better journalist than that.  You shoud atleaset have hyperlinked 'Groklaw' to their website.  http://www.groklaw.net/

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Paul_Lilly

There's a link to Groklaw's extensive write-up on the court decision in the last line, where it reads:

"Get all the gory details here."

-Paul Lilly

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Caboose

 And yet people STILL insist that MacOS is open, and that Apple is a good and fair company...

 

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MacimumPC

Ever hear of Darwin OS? Google it. Basis for Mac OS X and iPhone OS...yeah...open. Ever hear of intellectual property? Say you write some software (any kind of software) and then get it distributed to stores and the internet and someone takes your software and makes a business of not only buying it (legally of course), but hacking it to work with hardware it wasn't meant to work with and then reselling it with that hardware without your consent on the whole thing...and on top of that it totally violates a ton of laws and licensing regulations.

How fair is that to you? Nah, you wouldn't be pissed in the least. 

Christ you people are so screwed up its not even funny. The second an Apple related post shows up...BOOM...dun dun dun dun...dun dun DUN..."when Apple exists and you don't like them and nobody will listen...you call the...*guns firing* ANTI-APPLE TEAM!" (Que rest of A-Team theme song). Get over yourselves. 

As for Apple making the same mistakes that Microsoft is making...lets put something into perspective. Yes Apple fails...it fails a lot even. I can admit it...Mighty Mouse anyone? Heck the hockey puck mouse? MobileMe? Sure. There are plenty of others. However, Microsoft fails on a far greater level. They fail because they are a "Me-Too" company that can hardly innovate to save their lives...and when they do innovate...they can't market their innovation to save their lives. So nothing sells (Zune: The iPod Killer...that's been killing itself) So what do they do? They try to squash the competition with lawsuits claiming mostly ridiculous stuff. On top of that, Microsoft pieces together all kinds of technologies that aren't their own and half the time doesn't even ask for permission...like the whole Windows Activation deal where a company (z4 Technologies) successfully sued Microsoft for patent infringement. 

Apple knows how to make products that people want. Sure they have their share of blunders too...but when price is a big deal in this economy...they're still selling products. Microsoft isn't. Zune? Nope. WinMo? HAHAHAHA! Oh come on thats funny! Windows 7? Maybe...but thats probably mostly based on you 1% of enthusiasts who build your machines and the rest are average consumers buying new machines cause they don't want to mess with the skidmark that is the upgrade process from XP to 7 but they need a new machine anyway so it works out. In fact, Microsoft is laying off people left and right again. Their hemorrhaging everything everywhere...and I'm afraid your precious Windows 7 (as amazingly good as it is...yeah I think its good...OMG) probably won't save the day. At least not by itself.

So to go back to the top...Apple isn't squashing competition a la Microsoft...they are squashing a company that knowingly and truly did infringe on its intellectual property...cracked it...then resold it on hardware it's really not meant to run well on...even though it probably does anyway (thats besides the point). Thats fair?!

I'm not asking anyone to love Apple...but seriously...get your heads out of your asses and get with it. Stop sitting there at your computer waiting to pounce on Apple related posts with the same usual anti-Apple garbage you all spew and at least get your facts right when you do post. Come on! Come up with some new stuff at least...hey go back to the whole Mac OS can't handle right-click thing...thats still pretty relevant...if this were the mid to late 90s and the current Mac OS was OS 8. Its so predictable its not even funny. Come on some of you still think OS X can't handle right-click. You know who you are!

...aaaaaannnnnnnddddddd flame-away!! 

lulz 

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B10H4Z4RD

ok macimumPC, that was funny but you killed your joke. this is not the website to be posting them. there wasn't even a good punch line 

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Geeksquadmyss

I would hardly call it a "mistake" in apples part since they knowingly prevent people from buying and using there software, unless apple built it, otherwise you have to Hack it.  If MS did this they would be run out of court and down the road, followed by an angry pitch fork mob of old.  They then would be order to pay money and rectify (meaning stop and redo the way they sell there OS) the problem.

 

If you want to talk about haters fine for a moment lets bring up the fact that apple forces you to buy the "new" OS when it comes out, and in some cases cuts off support for hardware from only a couple of years prior forcing one to buy a new mac.  AND how about the fact tha you can only according to this ruling us the MAC OS on a mac made by apple.

 

So what we have here is a monopoly that people seemingly refuse to acknowledge, or do anything to stop it.  This company didnt do anything illegal they didnt steal there copies of the MAC OS and use it as there own, they simply made a CHEAP MAC FOR HUNDREDS LESS THAN THE REAL THING!!  There's a difference between going to a store and robbing it and the cashier giving you back to much change.

 

And you think MS is making money?  YOU FOOL!

 

The new Zune is actually selling well, Win7 too not to mention the thousands of businesses and and schools who use MS, then theres MS office.  Oh and a wacky device called the 360 which i hear sold some units.

 

Apple wishes it could be MS fact is they cant touch 'em  thats why ever Mac ad is the same shtick only with a new glossy cover.  The reason Apple wont open there OS up to every machine is because they would be crushed by MS and couldnt compete with Linux because its free.  It has nothing to do with being stable or any of that BS.       

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Raspop

What's wrong with "I disagree and y'all stupid"?

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MacimumPC

Oh I feel fine, thank you. Do you guys feel ok? That's what I'm getting at here...an Apple article shows up and the haters come out of the woodwork with the same garbage (Macs suck...OS X sucks...overpriced). There's got to be better things to hate Apple for. Why not mix it up a bit...hate Apple for better reasons. You already hate them...just think of more interesting reasons now. 

Plus the guy at the end of this thread: Massive market share does not = Quality. Not even by a longshot.

 

 

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Caboose

Alright. There's Steve Job's history of substance abuse. The fact that he refused to admit he had a daughter or even care for her. How about the fact that he was fired from his own company. Didn't Steve Wozniac leave Apple because Steve Jobs was flucked in the head? Oh, and let Bill Gates "steal" the GUI. Purchased by Bill Gates (Microsoft) to prevent from going under.

And then there's Bill's history. Dropped out of Harvard. Bought DOS for a few thousand (I want to say 10k, but I don't remember the amount). Infiltrated Apple and was able to "steal" the GUI. 

What else am I missing...

 

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snapple00

Way too long... Didn't read.

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fry

Uhm...OS X = 5% of market share.

Enough said.

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MacimumPC

Ok. You keep telling yourself that. All of it. Go on...feed it to yourself again. 

Inferior OS? Ok...personally I disagree...but I admit Win7 is good stuff. Better than OS X? No. Not even close. Am I in the minority? You bet. Do I care? Nope. Am I a fanboy(i)? maybe but not in the same sense that you guys are to Microsoft. Ever read any of your own posts? 

However it we want to talk about getting desperate...lets look at Microsoft's marketing of Win7: Win7 parties!! Yay! Lame. Getting Fox to throw in all kinds of useless and random Win7 product placements thrown into things like their sports broadcasts and an attempt to get in good with the kids via Family Guy which is a show with a track record of being anti-Microsoft...or at least just having fun with them. Thats desperate. 

Apple doesn't pull crap like that...anymore. They did in the 90's with an infomercial type format. They put up normal TV ads now that are actually well made...you don't have to agree with them...but they are selling products...contrary to what you guys are saying. The news shows them having record quarters...quarter after quarter. Microsoft is just barely eeking out better numbers than what they were the last several quarters...but still not where they'd like to be or should be. They're the ones in he corner...fighting for their lives. Read some news, MS Fanboy.

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mesiah

Tell me you are kidding? Or are you really that big of an idiot? You would have to be in order to make an argument based on microsoft product placement on television shows. Go home tonight and watch any prime time television show, look for someone to use computer. Do you see that big apple logo that they plaster all over the screen? Apparently its ok to place your products in television shows... as long as you aren't microsoft. Now, how about you stop QQing, or come up with a half decent argument based on facts, not mindless drivel.

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roleki

At the end of the day, a Mac is still an overpriced computational appliance no matter its configuration, with a market share that accurately reflects its suitability for general-usage computing.  When you ask someone why they went with a Mac, they typically roll out the points:  

1)  Never have to deal with viruses

2)  It just works

3)  Unobstructive aesthetics

4)  Big screens

 Sounds to me that most Mac users would be just as happy with WebTV, except that was a MS product.

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MacimumPC

Interesting. Very interesting. So these concepts are...bad? No viruses. Yeah I can see how that would suck...nothing draining resources and requiring extra software. It just works. Ooh yeah...that's rough. I prefer to start the day off figuring out BSODs cause of corrupt drivers. Always a good time. Unobtrusive aesthetics. Clunky and cumbersome FTW! Big screens. Yes...all bad things...the last of which is also a big deal for WinPC buyers...especially in the laptop department.

I love the part at the end about WebTV and that it was a Microsoft product. 

 

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B10H4Z4RD

is macimumpc steve jobs or just hates real computers? 

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roleki

A BSOD... every morning?

Hrmm, weird.  I say that because the 360 XP machines that I oversee day-to-day have had 4.16 million aggregate hours of operational time over the last 5 years, and I've seen exactly 4 unique BSODs in that time, none of which were related to driver issues.  

But I guess if I was starting every day off with a driver-related BSOD... no, no, that still wouldn't be enough to send me running for an inferior selection of hardware simply because it was preconfigured to 'just work'.  In my experience, XP just works, emphasis on the 'works' part.

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Caboose

Hardware upgrades costing twice as much (if not more) to get parts from Apple. Paying a LOT more for pretty much the same speced system as a Windows machine. Then there's the whole giving up your gamer license bit too. How many of you Mac users are playing Plants Vs. Zombies, Left 4 Dead, Modern Warfare 2, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Half-Life saga, the list goes on.

And then there's paying more for Office for Mac just so you can be compatible with the rest of the world. Apps used in hospitals, automotive, aviation, transportation sectors written for... Windows. Student and teacher edition from Apple is $200cad. The same one for Windows is $150. Sure, it's only $50 difference, but it's still $50 more than for a PC.

An OS that has more holes in it than Bonny and Clyde. Sure Windows has bugs and holes, but Microsoft patches them. Apple just sort of band-aid fixes the bugs.

And then there's the commercials. "Why get a PC, get a Mac. We're number one in customer service." Ok, but how are your systems? "I have to upgrade to Windows 7, so instead of paying a few hundred for the OS, I'll pay a few THOUSAND for an entirely new system, ALL new software, and have to re-learn how to do everything!"

 

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MacimumPC

I'll have to try that next time I'm desperate. It's like calling me a poopy-head or something. I mean really...that's it?That's all you got? My "handle" speaks volumes of my absurdity? Bravo. Well played. I guess. Also when was the last time anyone used the term "handle"? This isn't MaximumCB. That's two doors down, good buddy. In the 21st century the kids call them "screen names". 

Also if OS X sucks...then why do you want Apple to make it open (which it already is)?  Kind of absurd if you ask me...and apparently I know a thing or two about absurdity.

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Caboose

 I lol'd

 

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