LulzSec Hacker Receives One-Year Sentence for Sony Shenanigans

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Engelsstaub

...pls rspnd.

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armyof1ne

... pls respond

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jimmthang

The time is "relatively" easy, but him oweing 600k, that's rough

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jgottberg

600k is a lot of money but what this guy did along with his collection of misfits cost Sony considerably more. Do the crime... do the time and pay restitution.

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armyof1ne

Do the crime indeed, too bad he didnt do the damage, once again, 600k should be paid by the criminals, the reason he pled guilty was he was coerced to. plain and simple, and since thats the case no justice was done because the real criminals that did all the damage get off spot free. do the crime, do the time, and if he did the damage he should pay restitution, he did not do it, sony did it to themselves by having an extremely piss poor security, he was in for over 2 months and he was never detected... he never did anything destructive just played around. so flailing around the guilty plea... read what he is guilty of and shut up because you are only looking like a dumbass

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Engelsstaub

@jgottberg:

Don't be like me and sweat this turd. Nobody that matters here thinks you're a dumbass. You're a regular here who actually contributes positive and productive commentary and discussion in this "community."

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jgottberg

@Engelsstaub - Thanks buddy, back at ya.

No, I'm not sweating this kid for a minute. After reading a few posts, I figured him to be the village idiot in what you so aptly called this community :)

I stopped exchanging posts with him since he seems to have a view of the world from the perspective of a 13 year old... and you know teenagers, can't tell them anything because they think they already know it all. Lol

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armyof1ne

Im making you sweat? that brain must be working in overdrive then huh? lol... Im not sure how crucifying one person and letting the others get away is positive... but hey, what do i know, im just some moron right?... yeah, i can answer that one for you... wrong... plz respond?

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Engelsstaub

Please look up the definition of sweating someone in the context it was used. Or jut hit this link right here:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=don't%20sweat%20it

I really hope English is your second language FFS.

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armyof1ne

"Don't be like me and sweat this turd."
You obviously need to master the english language.... Don't sweat it, dont worry about it.... and you are telling someone to not be like you... whom is sweating someone... meaning they are worrying about said person...
So im making you worry... which means im making that brain work apparently, to its limited capacity of course.
I can see that you were born probably inbred by the way you look at english and use it. maybe thats why you are so stupid and obviously condemn yourself... and why you can't understand justice has not been served in court and needs to be.

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HiGHRoLLeR038

Well hopefully Sony beefs up security

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jgottberg

What is your front door made out of?

If somone came over and kicked in your door and stole your stuff, would you say you needed better security?

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armyof1ne

nah, this guy grabbed the key from under the welcome mat because sony's system was that poor on protection. he found that key and put a sign on it on a busy intersection and said, hey... here is a key for this house... he stole nothing or did nothing other than that, please reread what he plead guilty to and what was charged

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Peanut Fox

So he stole the key, and gave it away? Is that not stealing, or does it not count because it's a key?

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armyof1ne

thats the smallest of the smallest part, thats what im getting at, he did nothing but that yet he has to pay the whole thing? are you kidding? do you know how absolutely backward that sounds? the 600k is the expected loses involving everything, the damage that was caused to their name is really their own fault for extremely poor maintenance of their security. the guy basically pointed to the hole and was like.. free game, thats it... he gained access to a computer, thats the level 1 part, the damage done by the hackers that went past level 1 up to level 4(if you want the topology of their network its out there) that was utter hacking(even then the protection was piss poor at best)... what this guy did was level one noob access, anyone could have done, he never really did anything except point a finger in all reality... why he is stuck with the bill is just a testament to how poor our justice system works

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Peanut Fox

Yet the smallest of the smallest part had the largest sum in consequences.

You think all this cost Sony 600k? The PR, the man hours, the court, internal investigation, the downtime, lost sales. You think they only lost 600,000 dollars?

What I fail to understand is why the difficulty of access matters. Weather a door is made of plywood or 4 feet of steel, it still reads do not enter.

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armyof1ne

So what you are saying is... If a bank had no vault, left all its positions in the open for anyone to take, they shouldnt be held liable if they got robbed... tell me who would bank there? The point with this is simply this guy pointed out a flaw, proved it, and did nothing else. yet is being stuck with a crime he didnt commit and paying damages that he didn't do. the "culpability" in this case is extremely questionable and cannot believe it even passed in court, but thats why he was coerced into a plea bargain, in the end, sony just wanted its money. no matter where it came from. which is sad because they could have leveraged for more information gathering and finding more of the people that actually did the damage.

As far as the number goes, sony probably lost a about 30 million on this, but, as stated above, they are fairly responsible for the extremely lax protection. They shoulda ate near all of it.
in a bank robbery, do they take the money out of the getaway driver? no, they try to find the robbers that actually have the money.

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armyof1ne

lenient? so the whole incident cost sony $600,000, yet they dump the whole thing on one guy, that simply did the injection to allow unobstructed access to other people, not even do the crime itself, yet he is fitted with the bill... 1 year in jail and 40 years of paying back something he didnt do... Apparently we have a different definition of the word justice. there were over 15-20 people involved with that. it seems wrong to just blame one person and make a martyr of him, go after them all and make them all take the blame instead of crucifying one person and letting the rest go. because thats what is going to happen and its messed up

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Engelsstaub

They didn't dump the whole thing on one guy. He got exactly what he deserved and possibly less.

The fact that some other people haven't been brought to justice yet (or possibly never will) doesn't mean he should just wait to "share" some fraction of the punishment in equal proportions with the other perpetrators.

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armyof1ne

so then each person should pay 600,000? yeah... ok... that seems like absolute greed and a half

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jgottberg

"Greed and a half?" If you owned a majority stake in Sony, you wouldn't think so.

The money lost on game/DLC purchases, memberships, etc.. Not to mention the Irish sunglasses Sony had to wear while their reputation was buried. If 1000 accomplices were rounded up, caught and similarly prosectued, it still wouldn't touch the damages.

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Engelsstaub

Welp, he plead guilty to the charges. He could have plead "no contest" or "not guilty" so apparently he's taking responsibility for his actions and has admitted his guilt. Nobody else will be paying restitution since he's essentially agreed that it is his responsibility. He's the one that hacked Sony and compromised people's information.

He owned his punishment. What's it to you?

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armyof1ne

He plead guilty to conspiracy and the injections, thats it... not to compromising data or anything else, this was not his fault, anyone could have done that how bad their protection was, any child with a small tutorial made for children could have done it is what i am getting at, To just blame him and let the real criminals go is what annoys me... he did nothing execpt add a user name and password in all reality... excuse me but thats not destruction, thats toying around and trolling. what the other people did was destuction and he should not be held liable for their actions especially when they could have done it within a matter of seconds. the noob gets punished while the real criminals get away, the ones that did the damage. its wrong. straight up.

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Engelsstaub

"...to just blame him and let the real criminals go..." He was one of the real criminals. The one that started it and admitted his guilt. Nobody's letting anyone else go. I'm sure it's an ongoing investigation. Get used to the fact that not everyone who commits a crime will be caught and brought to justice. File it under Life's Not Fair and It Never Has Been.

Anybody can rob a convenience store at gunpoint but that doesn't mean they should do it because the security is bad.

Somebody has to pay the restitution. He got busted doing stupid crap and committing crimes with his computer that led to compromising a lot of people's personal info. He can and will pay the piper.

Personally I think any of these little cowardly pukes who sit behind their keyboards trying to screw people over (because they are either too fat and/or don't have the stones to mess with people IRL) should be sentenced to life without internet access.

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armyof1ne

Since you refused to answer... What you are saying is 1 guy should pay the 600k and when the others are caught they shouldnt... am i reading you right?

See the problem is your lack of understanding, he didnt rob a convenience store, he got a key to open the door and gave it up for free grabs, thats it. All he is guilty of is breaking through security and being part of something else via proxy, he never did the crime in and of himself.
At least we can agree on something, Someone should be paying, but not the guy that found a key and gave it out to open the doorway.

Personally i think you are a little cowardly ignoring questions and sitting all high and mighty ignoring the facts. That sits behind a keyboard and saying these people should be screwed over just because someone else screwed alot of people and they did the damage. The crime wasnt bypassing layer 1 via an SQL injection, it was grabbing the information on subsequent layers that was criminal in my book, He is a whitehat as far as i am concerned(he bypassed it but did not act on it.. grey hat at worst for not immediately contacting them about the hole in their security/sharing point it out)the blackhats are the ones that need the punishment. and they should be the ones being stopped. File that under the truth can hurt and life isnt fair but could be much better if people like you didnt just give up.

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jgottberg

The bottom line is he was breaking and entering and as a result, shutdown a service used by millions of people for 40 days. You can't possibly think that 600K is going to make that go away or come CLOSE to covering the damages both at the time and residual.

If you want to paint him as a "White hat", you are sadly mistaken. He broke in, stole personal information and handed it over to people that didn't have the best of intentions for it. It's called being an accessory. If he truly wanted to do the right thing, he could have documented the security hole and notified Sony. THAT is a "White hat"

As the old saying goes... Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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armyof1ne

i think you misunderstand what he actually did... he did nothing but gain access and share that info, that was all he did. he stole nothing did nothing but that. end of story, saying he stole stuff is just not true. I just feel the people that did the damage should be the ones to pay... I have access to hundreds of systems(because i was given it and people trust me) but that doesnt mean i steal information, i just have access to the system. which is the only thing he is being charged for, conspiracy because it eventually helped them gain access, which is in and of itself stupid since any child could have sql'd that system which they are responsible for. he stole nothing, he gained access and sadly in the end he gave the information to the wrong people. So to say he is responsible for the 600k is not actually true. he only accepted a plea bargain because he was coerced into it, and then they could stop the hunt for the others, which is crap...

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ADVStrom

"sadly in the end he gave the information to the wrong people."

seriously? actions have consequences, life is full of choices, he is being held accountable for some of his, finaly. I think he should have been given more time. He wanna walk on the wild side, and play bad guy? He gonna find out how bad guys behave. Who knows, maybe he'll learn some new skills in there.

By the same logic, I'm guessing those 12 year olds with social problems writing virus and malware are innocent too. "sadly in the end he gave the information to the wrong people." And, if it takes millions of dollars and days of labor to deal with it, that's the fault of the computer owner, for owning one.

He should spend lots of time locked up, maybe he'll learn the concept of private property. If he steals from Sony, he'll steal from me. even you.

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armyof1ne

So what you are saying is.... Child of store owner gave keys to a friend. who gives to a gang... Gang robs store. child owner needs to pay full restitution and damages as well as spend jail time for the actions of others because he gave access.... Do you finally understand how stupid i think you guys are now? I mean its utterly backwards bullshit that our justice system thinks that way. And just so you understand since you obviously are too stupid to... HE STOLE NOTHING, DID NOTHING execept show a problem with their system to others.... so read the legal information before you start flailing around the guilty bs. because the only thing he is guilty of is conspiracy and unauthorized impairment of a protected computer. not that he damaged or stole anything, but was the smallest of the smallest part of this.

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Engelsstaub

Nobody is coerced into a plea bargain. He could have plead not guilty. You don't know if they stopped "the hunt for others." You're just talking out of your ass.

Are you privy to what investigators are investigating or prosecutors are pursuing? You're never going to STFU, are you? No wonder you call yourself armyof1ne. You're going to sit here and argue with everybody all day long like it's going to make a bit of difference. IT WON"T, MORON.

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SCSA420

You're the MORON here not me or the other guy. SAD but TRUE. By the way F-ck the FEDS. They coerce and intimidate people into taking plea bargains all the time and IF you don't know that you truly are a MORON

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armyof1ne

this engel guy is either trolling or braindamaged, no rational human could think that the government had no play in this or any kind of pressure to plead this out....

but by the way he acts, there has to be some form of malformed section of his brain.

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armyof1ne

and wasting your time insulting doesnt change facts that you are ignoring. are you ever going to STFU? Am i changing anything? i have no delusions about that, im just showing how wrong it is to stick the blame on someone who did not do any damage whatsoever. he did not get past all the other security layers, he got past one, end of story. you guys saying he should pay the 600k is just moronic.

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Engelsstaub

AGAIN: Nobody is coerced into a plea bargain. He could have plead not guilty. You don't know if they stopped "the hunt for others." You're just talking out of your ass.

Don't be a baby. The insults began with you saying I was stupid for having a different opinion. You didn't want a civil discussion. You just want attention at this point. Here you go, titty-baby. Keep crying. It's important as hell and you're doing a world of good for your hacker hero.

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armyof1ne

Im sorry but you are absolutely wrong on who started spewing insults.
you say as if you know that he wasn't coerced into that? look who is talking out their ass now... lol.
Im not the child here, the child is the one with little to no understanding of what actually happened, its all over the internet... you should catch up.

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Engelsstaub

April 19, 2013 at 11:13am (Learn to read time-stamps. I know you've thread-shit here so much that everything is now out of order and you can't remember the tripe you type.)

"Personally i think you are a little cowardly ignoring questions and sitting all high and mighty ignoring the facts. That sits behind a keyboard and saying these people should be screwed over just because someone else screwed alot of people and they did the damage.

April 19, 2013 at 11:39am

"Do you think im trying to change your mind? im just trying to help you understand is all... guess you arent skilled or open enough to... but thats fine."

...until this we were having a civil conversation. You took my general comment about hackers personally. LulzSec-Boy. Now you're crying your ass off all day long to commenters on the internet who don't share the opinions of two people. Go outside.

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armyof1ne

now you want to be civil, you have been calling me a moron and stupid this whole time only digging your own grave showing your utter incompetence, thats on you, not me... so until you want to grow up and actually look at the facts instead of acting like a 2 year old plugging his ears and scream lalalalalala... you really dont have much else to say... but you will so.... plz respond

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Engelsstaub

Nope. It started with the tantrums that I've reiterated for your convenience with the time stamps. (Apparently anyone here can read timestamps but you.)

And then you cried because only you should resort to insults. Pls rspnd.

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armyof1ne

sadly you have deleted the comments so please dont be stupid by saying... "blah blah blah, i have posted time stamps because they mean something... you started this, whine whine whine" Seriously dude, if you even want to try and insult me, you are going to have to do 1000x better. Since you do have problems processing the english language due to your... failings/shortcomings. i will right it out more simply for you, If you insult someone, expect insults. I never said i could be the only one to insult, im just going to respond to you being a fucking retard and make fun of you because you make it so easy, especially when you attack people that don't believe like you. who has the superiority complex now? rofl... Come on derpina, wake up... plz respond

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Engelsstaub

Nobody can delete comments here except staff.

"I will 'right' it out..." ... you will WRITE it out for me...genius.

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armyof1ne

you mind want to recheck that statement... hint *edit*

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Engelsstaub

He didn't "get a key to unlock a door." He picked the lock and or kicked it in.

You can read me any way you want to. I have no control over who pays the restitution and neither do you. The court says he's liable for the damages. Boo fucking hoo. Maybe if they ever catch any of the other little anonymous cowards that he kicked the door in for the court can order them to pay back some of the restitution to the idiot who started it.

You took personal offense at the cowardly part which explains why you're the only one here thus far crying about the outcome of someone else's trial.

"He is a whitehat as far as i am concerned..." Who gives a shit what you think? You're no court or justice. You wanna make a difference for your cyber-hero? Help raise the money for his restitution or appeal. Running your cybertrap at me because I don't see things your way (like the author and every other commenter here besides you thus far) changes nothing.

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armyof1ne

Do you think im trying to change your mind? im just trying to help you understand is all... guess you arent skilled or open enough to... but thats fine. Do i think i should control the justice system... i hope you mean fix the broken justice system, i dont think i could in all reality. There was no justice here, there was a scapegoat loaded with a burden while the true issues go free.
There wont be justice until they are all brought in, saying one person pays for everyone is pretty stupid, the guy isnt Jesus,lol.

"who gives a shit what you think?" obviously not you, because you think you know what your talking about and understand what actually happened, which is quite obvious you dont. Why do others need to speak and agree in text? do they need to be vocal(or...wordy.. whatever) about this to see the truth and understand it? thats pretty vain of you. lol.

No the court didnt say anything, he was coerced into a plea bargain where he accepted to pay because the justice system gives up and plays dead. He is no hero, and he is no criminal, next time you build a machine for someone that turns out to be some creepo pedobear, ill blame you for enabling him... because thats justice in your eyes.

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Engelsstaub

"Do you think im trying to change your mind? im just trying to help you understand is all..."

...now you're just babbling contradictory nonsense.

"...guess you arent skilled or open enough to..." ...skills?? WTF??? Are you talking about your Hacking Skillz now? Forgive me if I got you wrong but you seemed to come down with a case of weapons-grade thermonuclear ass-hurt when I made a general comment about anonymous cowards committing crimes behind their keyboards. I *sure* hope you aren't gonna try to hack me now since you can't help me understand please respond.

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armyof1ne

Thats not contradictory at all... ill let you ponder why. If you dont understand ask others. i think i have wasted enough time on you.

by that statement all i am saying is you have no understanding of what actually happened, but are just looking at the guilty pleabargain and stupidly taking it at face value. and even then you dont even look at it, because its quite obvious he did nothing but break through security and gave that information out, no personal information, nothing else, literally no damage done at all.
"hope you aren't gonna try to hack me now since you can't help me understand please respond." as the saying goes... you can't fix stupid.

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Engelsstaub

Oh come on. Don't be like that. Waste some more time on me please respond.

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armyof1ne

But i likes wasting time.... kinda like all the time you wasted today arguing that someone who did not commit a certain crime should pay the damages for said crime... he did other crimes, like "conspiracy and unauthorized impairment of a protected computer" not stealing information or cause destruction to a network forcing them to shutdown and find and fix said issues. In the end sony was ultimately responsible for its networks and protection and monitoring of intrusions, what this guy did was nothing that warranted him paying damages of that magnitude. other than that he should have had more time in the slammer.

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Engelsstaub

"i think i have wasted enough time on you." ... "But i likes wasting time"

*Not* contradictory appeals for attention please respond.

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limitbreaker

Just for the record, I absolutely agree with you with everything you've said engelsstaub.

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Engelsstaub

Thanks.

I don't have a big vested interest in this like Hacker Boy here; trying to prove something to internet commenters. I just need to let this numbnut get the last word in so he can feel right on the internet and move on.

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