LulzSec Hacker Receives One-Year Sentence for Sony Shenanigans

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Engelsstaub

Give us the information that you're privy to. How was he coerced and how do you know that they are not investigating others and pursuing more prosecutions. YOU DON'T HAVE SUCH INFORMATION.

If you weren't speaking from your ass when you claimed these things you'd willingly provide the info and "shut me down" for real instead of in your imagination.

You know you were talking out of your ass and that's why you're playing this desperate little 13 year old game "duh just say you're a stupid liar with a god complex and I'll tell you!"

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armyof1ne

Once again, prove me wrong, or continue to be a lying piece of shit, you say i talk out of my ass but you have no evidence of that at all, i have evidence that is easily gathered. So once again, tell the truth about your personal problems and stop lying, if you have no evidence, stop talking. I already gave you a chance to give that evidence to you first, so until you do so, we can just sit here going back and forth, i just want to utterly dominate you here. it can all be over quickly... all you have to do is confess

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Engelsstaub

You're a complete trolling idiot. "...if you have no evidence, stop talking..." Evidence of what, idiot? I have to prove that you did NOT KNOW that the prosecution had given up further investigation?? You: "I'm not going to tell you until you admit that you're a big lying poopy-head!"

Keep playing your trolling 13 year old game. I'll be back tomorrow. You aren't utterly dominating anybody, princess. This isn't Halo. What you imagine in your adolescent mind as "shutting people down" is just you running your trap on the internet until somebody just runs out of the time and/or patience to put up with your trolling. All you've done was talk out of your ass and now you can't back it up.

Provide us with your knowledge of how, as you've repeatedly claimed from out of your ass, the prosecution stopped investigating further crimes and how the defendant was coerced into pleading guilty. It's obvious you're the liar. Go back to your video game and scream at people through your mic.

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armyof1ne

Rofl... not playing a game, showing you that you are wrong and you cant handle it... you are the one talking out his ass, at least i have proof, you have nothing but words, you ignore my request, until you accept it and follow through, we can just keep this going, trust me, i am far more stubborn than you will ever be, Once you do what is asked, i shall as well

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armyof1ne

I had a request first, fulfill it and then i will fulfill yours

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Engelsstaub

I thought you were "shutting people down" here on the internet. The only thing that shut down is your ability to reason like a big boy. "Call yourself a lying poopy-head and I'll tell you how I knew the defendant was coerced and investigations have ceased!"

You may be stubborn, but that's not what this is: you're in a state of pre-adolescent arrest. Even a thirteen year old wouldn't resort to this "I won't further participate in my debate until you call yourself names!" You're bereft of any evidence to back up the bull you've been typing. You made crap up and now you can't even anonymously slink away (as you're completely faceless and nameless here) because this is a big game of Halo to you. Trying to look Internet-Right and you've already lost.

The only way you'll stop coming back here is when every last person stops commenting. You'll have nobody left to harass and troll for having a viewpoint consistent with the law and court decisions.

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armyof1ne

i was coming down to your level remember? i havent harassed anyone, debated, showing logic, something you cant fathom. In the end, justice needs to be done, if you disagree and say justice has been served, you truly are helpless.
My views are the views that are supposed to be there, you know, seeking the truth, seeking what is right... the other people not thrown in jail is not right, it is not justice, throwing everything that everyone else did on one person is not justice. If someone killed someone and someone else got blamed for it is that justice? no... he stole nothing did nothing but show an exploit... there has been no justice served yet. i am hoping their will be but if they stop... then what has happened is utterly wrong

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Engelsstaub

You've certainly come down to a level. You've indeed harassed nearly everyone here that has tried to debate this with you. Gezzer, jgottberg, etc. People who didn't insult you and tried to earnestly entertain your BS were rewarded with your tantrums and names like "fucktard" like you called Gezzer. jgottberg was rewarded with "dumbass" for replying to one of the editors who commented here. He wasn't even talking to you. That's harassment and trolling by definition.

Nobody cares about you and your tantrums here. It's just you and me, sweety. Nearly everyone here has said you're being a troll. Must be a big conspiracy against you like "me deleting and editing my comments" as you lamely resorted to before.

If you're still here next week crapping in this thread I'll be right here to give you your attention you keep blubbering and sputtering semi-coherently for (unless the staff just shuts it down as they rightfully have in the past.) But be advised that any further commentary that doesn't include you backing up your BS will be replied to with this:

"You made statements about the investigation and prosecution that you can't back up. You've got nothing. Plain and simple. If you had such evidence to support your ridiculous claims that the rest aren't being investigated and that the defendant was "coerced" you'd have given it. QED."

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armyof1ne

I dont need attention... but apparently you think you do... I was simply stating some facts and had a different point of view, who was the one that started trolling? yeah, wasnt me dumbass. it was you. Its a shame that nobody cares about the facts as you would put it... because its going to effect them someday in a negative way.
I told you once again, admit to your failings and ill give all the information you could have gathered yourself, the reason i am here is you are worthless fucking cunt that attacks other peoples differing opinions because its not your own, once again, who started this shit, it was you.
Why would i ever give that information without trying to get something for it, you dont play this game often do you, you think i care what you think about me? i only know your trolling personality, thats it. which leads me to believe you are half braindead and cannot/refuse to think outside what you think is true.
Until you admit to having a severe God complex, lie out of your ass consistantly, and are an all around worthless troll all you will be met with this response. "you have lied this whole time, you know little to nothing about hacking/security or the justice system or what it should be. you should not be talking at all without that knowledge otherwise you are nothing more than babbeling incoherently as some narcissistic toolbag. You have the opportunity to learn, yet you actively refuse it. You have the chance to deal with your own personal problems, yet you deny their existence. The first step to recovery is understanding you have a problem. until you admit it to yourself and everyone, you cannot get better, trust me, that information is worth it btw"

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Engelsstaub

Yawn.

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Carlidan

Sorry to say, but you don't know the facts either. All you are is assuming as most of us are what the circumstances are. There could be many factors that you don't know about. All your basing your facts are on what charges he pleaded to. That doesn't mean there were more. It was just what he pleaded to.

Anyways, the law only need to show is "intent". And I'm thinking in the case they did. Because if all he did was only to show the exploit, he could of just warn Sony about it rather then sending it to his lutz friends, which he knew were hacker and he knew they were mischievous.

I don't know why you think it was harsh. That was a pretty light sentence. Considering it would of been more.

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limitbreaker

You think you're a Witt don't you? You may be half right. ;-)

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limitbreaker

Armyof1ne can't seem to figure out the difference to words that are pronounced the same, for example "too, to, there, they're, their" and so on. And he seems to waste a lot of his time posting about how he believes that others are unintelligent, trolling or can't fathom logic and that sort of stuff. Do you really expect him to look on this matter with an open mind and revise his thinking?

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armyof1ne

I have been civil with people that want to be civil, engel just has something up his butt about being the hero of the maximumpc comment box.
yeah, i dont use spell check and normally when i am writing this im in game, lol. so i dont type 100% because i am focused elseware.

i understand what you are saying and i do agree, but then again there are those that dont want to anyways, like engel. that are just here to troll and argue without any thought process whatsoever.

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Engelsstaub

"I have been civil with people that want to be civil..."

"...I just called Gezzer a fucktard the other day because he didn't agree with me. I called jgottberg a dumbass when he was responding to Jimmy Thang and not even talking to me or about me. See? Civil!"

You're hilariously deluded. Also spelling a word like elsewhere as "elseware" has nothing to do with focus. You have to be deficient in your English proficiency to do something like that. Nobody mistakes where for ware even when they are screaming at other little brats over their mic in Halo.

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Engelsstaub

Yeah, it's not just an occasional typo or grammatical mistake either. Dude really is that deficient in the way he writes. It's like almost every comment makes my brain itch looking at it. I never even finished a four year degree but I don't see how this clown could have ever gotten beyond the seventh grade. Doesn't even try. When you point out the difference between "know" and "no" to him he'll do it again two comments later.

I'm beginning to realize that what I'm doing is of no help either. I'm just going to copy and paste until he coughs up the info or goes away.

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jgottberg

@Engelsstaub - lol, the kid has nothing... Except the hearsay he found on blogs and forums (where anyone goes for fact checking..lol). His apologist attitude for this criminal is what rubbed me the wrong way. At the end of the day, whatever this kid says changes nothing and the criminal pays his debt. I'm satisfied with that :)

And like you, I noticed his atrocious grammar and couldn't help but think that anyone bold enough to talk shit in a forum can at the very least run his thoughts through a spellchecker. When I saw all those errors, my eyes couldn't take anymore and I stopped responding. lol!

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Engelsstaub

@jgottberg: I like how he keeps name-dropping me to every other commenter that is still engaging him. Keeps crying and trying to convince everyone else that I am basically him. I've been giving him the attention that he wants and he thinks telling everybody else what a big dumb meany-head I've been is going to gain him some sympathy.

I think if he can keep his weapons-grade butt hurt focused on me it will help him forget that nobody else here thinks he's anything more that a screaming little punk either.

Yeah, blogs and forums can help me ascertain that authorities have just stopped investigating other suspects as he's claimed. "Some dude in a forum said that the defendant was threatened with torture if he didn't plead guilty!"

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jgottberg

@engelsstaub - I wouldn't worry about it... The regulars here should know you well enough to tell the difference.

I have no idea what he was talking about when he was saying you we're acting all high and mighty and god of the comments...? Maybe because you post with punctuation and proper spelling? Only educated people would do such a thing... Lol!

It's been a long day and I'm gonna grab a beer and toke on some mean green. Take it easy man.

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Engelsstaub

@jgottberg: you too, my friend.

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Carlidan

@enelsstaub. Sometimes you have to give them attention. Or else they think they can get away being annoying.

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Engelsstaub

@Carlidan: agreed. I think I've given him way more than the BS he types even warrants though.

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Neufeldt2002

You're a far more patient man than I Engelsstaub. I gave up reading his comments back when there was 2 pages. Don't know how you keep going, but I commend you nonetheless.

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Engelsstaub

@ Neufeldt2002: I have a lot of free time on my hands and am often an ornery son-of-a-bitch ;)

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Peanut Fox

It depends if your intent was to share that information or not, and weather or not you can pro negligence.

I'd also ask if the person who breaks into your car, and uses or shares that information would also be at fault.

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armyof1ne

apparently alot of people think thats a poor way of looking at it.. lol. The fact is, they were ultimately responsible for the protection of their network, they failed, miserably... They should be taking the damages out of the engineers in my book before they ever went after one guy that just pointed out the security holes and had some fun because someone was too stupid to secure the network

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Engelsstaub

"apparently alot of people think thats a poor way of looking at it.. lol."

Yeah, I'd lol too if I thought three people here constitutes "a lot of people."

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Gezzer

"had some fun because someone was too stupid to secure the network"

But there's where you argument falls flat. You can't use the fact that someone's a moron to excuse doing something illegal with the results of that fact. If you could dropping a ruffie into a girl's drink and then raping her would be perfectly legal because she was dumb enough to leave her drink unattended.

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armyof1ne

I never excused his actions once... paying 600k is what is being debated, especially when he wasnt involved with the actual hack that caused the issues. he only found an open door, there were many secure doors behind that(that were secured poorly... obviously) so i find it poor judgement to blame everything on one guy and fit him with the bill when he wasnt fully involved(hence conspiracy)

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Gezzer

Yes, your right that the 600K is excessive if your only taking his actions into consideration. Problem is as I stated even though his actions were not the major one/s that created the loss, due to culpability he is accountable for it all as long as know one else is convicted.

Look at it from this point. Murder is when you plan to kill someone. Manslaughter is when you kill someone with out planning to. But if you decide to rob a bank and you bring weapons only to scare people. Your not planning to kill anyone, but threw some sort of scuffle someone is shot and dies. Then your charged with murder because you knew there was a possibility that someone might get shot leading to death. That's what culpability is. Now if all you are is the get-away driver, did not have a weapon, and freaked out when you found out about the weapons, your still as culpable as the ones that commit the robbery. In fact if the driver is the only one caught and doesn't give anyone up it's pretty certain they'll get charged and convicted for at least murder two, if not one.
That's how culpability works I'm afraid. There's a lot of legal reasons why there is such a thing as culpability, and over all it's a positive in our legal system, even if you don't believe it is. It goes hand in hand with the concept that ignorance of the law is not a defense. In this case I'm afraid the guy's pretty much boned for both those reasons.

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jgottberg

Dude... The trolling just hasn't gotten old has it? I'm pretty sure we all know your position on this subject, it's painfully obvious by the spamming you are doing on this thread.

In your opinion, he doesn't deserve to pay 600k, right? I AGREE DUDE!!! OMG!! I can't believe we are the only two people on EARTH that think so!!! We are just too smart for the other people on this thread.

Ok, happy now? You convinced me... *sigh* .........

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limitbreaker

Are you being sarcastic? I personally think that he should have been charged way more than a year (perhaps 10) but being charged money isn't fair if you have no way of paying it.

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jgottberg

@ limitbreaker - lol, yes... A mighty heavy dose of sarcasm :) scroll down through some of my previous posts... Me and this guy couldn't think more differently.

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limitbreaker

lol okay phew! I'm glad that our MPC community thinks mostly alike on this matter. Armyof1ne isn't a real MPC member if he's only actually posted on 2 threads since he's had his account.

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armyof1ne

actually i have been an mpc member for a long time. helped in forums until some people got it in their heads that i was just trying to break peoples machines(until they did what i told them and it was magically fixed) I just have a more open understanding about whats happening, and read the fine print, unlike alot of the people here apparently.

since im sure you havent read all the crap back and forth, this is why i think this is wrong.
the initial "hack" by this guy basically showed a huge open door network that was not secure in the slightest.
he grabbed some usernames and passwords and a little bit of information, he openly put it out there for anyone.
he was in there for about 1-2 months without being caught or even detected(seriously, thats how bad it was)
He did not damage or anything, and even paul lilly said this was not part of the network outage hack that compromised thousands of accounts and did millions in damage.
but because he made it known that it was an open system, he is getting charged with part of the damages, "conspiracy and unauthorized impairment of a protected computer" which i feel is wrong. Publically(if sony was paying attention) he showed their network flawed, did he send an email to sony about it... i dont know that. but if sony was paying attention at all, they could have preventing this issue by taking action, should he pay damages he did not do? i would hope most people would say no, but i guess there are people on here that feel he got off easy for literally doing nothing but showing how broken their system was

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jgottberg

lol! Amryof1ne (leet reference to his name - like a wannabe) is so in over his head, I came back to here out of morbid curiosity to see how far his hole had been dug. I wasn't disappointed :)

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jgottberg

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limitbreaker

2x post also

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jgottberg

X2post

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KenLV

Shame. Judge must have been in a REALLY good mood. I was hoping for the max ten years. Still, fools like this rarely learn their lesson the first time around. So we can expect to see him back in front of another judge soon enough after he's out.

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armyof1ne

you are right. the reason they gave 1 year is basically sony wanted the money... so they dumped it on one dude... like thats going to happen, I'm sure there are people that will pay it for him, since he obviously couldnt do it himself

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Peanut Fox

I'm sure a multi-billion dollar company like Sony cares about the slow trickle of 600k they'll get from him. That probably won't even cover the cost of the lawyers they paid to handle their case.

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Engelsstaub

Second offense sentencing could include a lifetime revocation of internet privileges. It would be just like a felon in possession of a firearm. When he serves his term give him a dumbphone, a subscription to cable TV, and his local newspaper. I know some older folks who don't even have or want anything more than the paper.

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Gezzer

For all those (2) crying about how unfair the judgement is, you need to understand the term "Culpability"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpability

Basically it means if you do something where there is a certainty that your actions will create a avenue to a specific outcome you can be held accountable for that outcome even if you yourself are not the party that did the action that created the final outcome.

If you leave the door unlocked to your bosses business and he is robbed, you can be held accountable for his losses, even if you didn't rob him, as long as it can be showed that you willfully left the door unlocked instead of simply forgetting.

In this case hacking Sony's site and letting others have the information he obtained is a culpable act and leaves him open to more charges then the single one for hacking the site. That's the law, like it or not. Should the full burden of Sony's losses be placed on his head? That's debatable, but without anyone else being charged and convicted in the matter, the full weight of the punishment ends up falling on his shoulders due to his culpability.

Unless other parties involved either man up and step forward, or at least go so far to raise the money to pay his fine, well I guess it'll suck to be him won't it?

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armyof1ne

if you use this term and i suggest also bringing the engineers on board for either willful or negligent culpability... i mean by definition in this case, they couldnt run that route without putting their own people that they should have fired behind bars. They were ultimately responsible for the network and to monitor for any intrusions. obviously they didnt as this guy was in the network for 1-2 months before the hack by other people even took place.
that is if you wish to use that term in context. Thats why they pegged with conspiracy(only way he truly was "culpable"), basically he was involved by proxy, and thats what he was charged with. Finally someone with some intelligence here!

even still, like the previous statements, it seems wrong to peg one guy and give up, if they had anyone else they would have not stopped, obviously this guy didnt give up anyone or couldnt so they fitted the bill and stashed the project, i have worked with and seen law enforcement, as well as hopefully half the people here. 1000+ cases show a definite pattern of basically lack of evidence for anyone else, stuff they could get if they really pushed but 2 years later, they are wiping their hands and grabbing a scapegoat... its quite plain to see for people that have seen this happen time and again, no real justice comes of it and its sad.

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Gezzer

The problem with finding fault with the IT department is that their negligence wouldn't be considered culpable. They do deserve to be fired and any people at Sony that were aware that their security wasn't up to snuff deserve to be fired as well.
But as for criminal charges it most likely wouldn't and couldn't happen.

Using my not locking the bosses door analogy it would be like the lock had a tendency to stick because it was a lousy lock. If the person had tried to lock it and failed without knowing they had failed, they wouldn't be culpable for the robbery. If they just said "I'm not going to bother attempting to lock up because it sticks" they would be, but due to the extenuating circumstances of the lock sticking it would of reduced their culpability some what and would shift some of it to the boss if he knew it was a lousy lock. Unfortunately trying to shift any culpability to the lock manufacturer would be very hard. In fact the boss might, and it's a stretch, have a civil case against them at best, but no criminal charges would happen unless it was a well know fact that the lock could fail over time and the manufacturer knew and did nothing about it.

As for the guy not giving up anyone, that's part of the reason he got hit so hard with the judgement. The criminal justice system will always go harder on a lone member of a group that commits a crime if they don't give up the other members and most criminals know this. It creates a incentive to inform on the others. Like I said it sucks to be him right now, but everyone involved choose the paths that lead them to this point and unfortunately he's left holding the bag.

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SCSA420

F-CK SONY and if you don't like it F-CK YOU. I don't feel the least bit sorry for Sony's candy asses. IF a Multi Billion dollar company like Sony's security is that lax they deserve to be hacked. Now put that in your F'N pipe and smoke it!!! Oh and as far as the 600 grand goes I'd tell them to wish they had the money in 1 hand and sh-t in the other hand and see which one fills up first you F'N losers cause I'm NEVER paying you ever bitches!!!

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Gezzer

If your simply stating that you'll never buy their products, that's your choice, and have at em.

If you on the other hand think the judgement will be easy to ignore, well don't be so sure about that.
A person can have any and all wages garnished till the fine is paid, or they can have the monetary judgement converted to a time served in lieu of payment. Sony might have to sign off on that as well. The garnishee can be quite a portion of a person's wage too, enough to bring them close to the poverty line. They might be or might not be able to declare bankruptcy to avoid payment. But I don't think that will work either, because they are laws in place to prevent actions like that for those very reasons.

The debt is going to follow him around for the rest of his life one way or the other, until paid in full, and all the temper tantrums in the world won't change that fact.

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armyof1ne

temper tantrums? we want justice fucktard... jesus when did people become coldhearted dicks that couldnt think past their own selves. If you found and exploit and didnt tell anyone, are you technically also "culpable" by negligence? if you were the only one found and fitted with that kind of crap dont you think that the ones that did the crime should be punished, this guy accessed a basically open system... and hes the one to be blamed? just because they cant find the others... then guess what, law enforcement needs to do their damn job and find the criminals that did the crime instead of dumping it on one dude that lit up an open sign

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Gezzer

Dude, I meant what I said.
Do you consider his post a thoughtful discussion about the case at hand or a heated response to a situation he doesn't agree with? If a person simply rants about something and tells everyone to "F@CK OFF" would you consider that adding to the conversation? Temper never adds positively to a situation and I know I've been my own worse enemy by that means on many an occasion.
As for justice, it is in the eye of the beholder I'm afraid, and in this case as I've mentioned before you really can't get what justice you feel is needed. The court ruled on the case before them and I'd suggest the monetary recoup for Sony was as much to send a message to the other people involved as it was to punish the accused. So yeah it's a lot of money, but it is a legally sound ruling. As for being fair, well the courts aren't always about that, it's about resolving the case in a manner that will be best for all parties involved including the general public. How many hackers do you think will think twice before doing something similar?
So again it sucks to be him, but he did do what he did and that does make him legally culpable.

Ps. As for finding an exploit and not reporting it? Yes a person could be held culpable for it. How much would depend on a lot of factors, but yes it would, and it would be up to the courts to decided on his/her culpability . But this isn't a case of inaction causing harm, it's a case of actions chosen which isn't the same thing at all.

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