LulzSec Franchise Opens in Brazil, Takes Down Government Sites

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rayatwork05

you are dumb. thats like saying you support me kicking down your front door, stealing your valuables and giving them to your neighbors. and thats good because it shows how ill equipped your security is and what an a$$hat you are?

they hack gaming websites and sell private information. thats not 1337 by any means....theyve done little in the way of exposing corruption.

its likely abuncha of teenages (thus the focus on gaming sites), and its really not worth a trip to prison.

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I Jedi

I'm dumb because I support a non-legitimate organization, who brings to light just how pathetic these companies are for not looking out for the safety and security of my information? No, sir, you're the one being naive to believe we live in a world where people don't actively attempt to gain access to information they're not suppose to begin with. If a company tells me my information will be safe with them, I want to know they're doing what they can, in their power, to make sure my data isn't easily obtainable by a bunch of hackers, much less kids in this case. I don't like that they're distributing people's information, but by doing that they're making everyone realize just how vulnerable their information is. Everyone will be screaming for more security of their information, I promise.

And btw, I'm not so much scared of the guy who breaks down my door, leaves evidence of a forced break in, but the guy who SECRETLY unlocks my door, steals what they want, and leaves without a trace and does this over and over under a period of time. At least LulSec admits to doing this shit and how they do it.

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Marthian

theres not much rightous to them. They hack just about anyone. They hacked Bethdesa, Spanish police, and even minecraft.net. seriously, Minecraft? thats a low blow, they aren't a corrupt corporation, their not against free speech, and they haven't had enough time to have a serious security system built.

The difference between Lulzsec and hackers is that Lulzsec is being a douche about it, real hackers would not even admit to that nor publicize it and then make fun at it. If they think they are trying to bring a revolution, I think their doing it wrong. To me, this makes it seem like governments SHOULD advocate for anti internet measurements since this is what their doing with what they are given. Also, I think they think their hot shit and stuff because no one knows their identity on the internet, they are practically taunting others as if they cant ever get caught.

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Ghok

I agree with what you say, but do ultimately disgaree with their methods. I don't really like this kind of mass vigilantism because it tends to make too many mistakes with little accountability. That doesn't mean I'm in the same group as those who think they should be jailed (or worse). I think DDoS attacks are basically worth a mischief charge. I also don't think they prove very much either...

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Joji

Yea, but the problem is that they're revealing our personal info, and even selling them to black markets for profit. They could have just done what they needed to do, and dispose our information afterwards.

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I Jedi

I already answered what you just said, "Why, because they support hacking, taking down, and then distributing confidential information?"

I already knew they were releasing people's info. While I feel this is a bad thing for those affected, it only puts an emphasis for governments and corporations to get their shit together...

I still stand by my decision to support them, even if everyone here wants to villainize them.

http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/

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MaximumMike

I find your statements naive, immature, irresponsible, and reckless. The only good reason you have for supporting LulzSec is that you believe their hacking has the positive consequence of advancing security. Yet others have demonstrated to you many other viable and legal ways that security is advanced without them. You seem to shirk the legal, safe, and productive measures in favor of the mayhem created by LulzSec.

 

You appear to be stuck in some traditional mindset where you think that there always has to be a hero and a villain. Since in your mind companies like Sony are the villains, LulzSec must therefore be the heroes. You don't seem to be able to acknowledge the fact that both parties can be in the wrong. You even went so far as to sillily suggest that if someone kicked in your door and stole your stuff it wouldn't be that bad. That's just idealistic to the point of destroying your own credibility. This is why no one here takes your statements seriously. I hope it never happens to you, but I promise you that if someone actually does kick your door in and rob you, you won't have the same sentiments you're advocating right now.

 

I have lots of reasons to dislike Sony as a company, and as a rule of thumb I don't buy their products. That's my consumerist response to what I perceive as corporate greed. However, Sony isn't actively trying to destroy my credit and gain unauthorized access to my money. They aren't forcing me to buy their products either. LulzSec, on the other hand is trying to control my money and cause me harm. I almost spent money on minecraft a couple months ago, and then decided to wait. That could have been my credit card info that they stole. And you just shirk your shoulders as if it doesn't matter.

 

Wait until you graduate from college, get married and have a real job. Wait till you have a family to support, bills to pay, and all the stress that goes along with it. Wait till you realize how precious your credit score and the few hundred dollars in your bank account are, and how much depends on them. Then come back to me and tell me why you think what LulzSec is doing is ok. Its easy to be irresponsible with other people's money. But until you have actually had to manage that money you're just being an immature and reckless kid.

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I Jedi

I don't need to have kids, a wife, two cars, and a house to realize just how important it is to have money or want security. So please, don't patronize me on such matters, as I already help out my current family with bills, as we're on the edge of the line as it is. When I support LulzSec, it really came off as me supporting their illegal activities in stealing information, I don't. I do see, though, the impact that having data stolen will have on companies to really increase their security to prevent attacks on their own systems. No, sir, I am all for security. You're right in regards ot me treating Sony like the evil corporation, and LulzSec like the heroes of the Internet. Try and understand why before you pass judgement, though. If LulzSec, a bunch of kids, can break down the front door to many corporations and governments, what's to stop an organized group of real, dedicated, and long-time hackers from doing the same chaos if not more? There are white hats and individuals who find security leaks, but apparently it wasn't enough. If the FBI can get hacked with a simple attack, if Sony can loose thousands of user's account information, if the UK government can loose census files to these kids, how can I have any security of my own that my bank is doing everything it can to protect my banking account? How can I know that Amazon has my information very secure, that it would be very hard for anyone to break down the door and get it? No, sir, LulzSec is only pointing out what I believe to be a wider issue: a lack of real security.

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MaximumMike

>>I don't need to have kids, a wife, two cars, and a house to realize just how important it is to have money or want security. So please, don't patronize me on such matters

But you do. You only say that because you don't have all those things. If you didn't act like a kid no one would be patronizing you.

 

>>When I support LulzSec, it really came off as me supporting their illegal activities in stealing information, I don't.

Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways, because they ARE doing those things. So, if you support their activities, and believe they should continue them, and don't think they should serve jail time, then you are condoning their theft of credit card numbers. You can't say "I don't like what you're doing, but keep doing it." That's contradictory and asinine. 

 

>>what's to stop an organized group of real, dedicated, and long-time hackers from doing the same chaos if not more

What do you think LulzSec is?

 

>>Try and understand why before you pass judgement, though.

I don't think anyone can understand why you condone harmful and criminal activity.

 

>>There are white hats and individuals who find security leaks, but apparently it wasn't enough.

This is because you know very little about security. It will never be enough, because it is almost impossible to make a 100% secure system. I'm not excusing Sony and others for their lacsidaisical approach to security. But the difference is that *you* are excusing LulzSec for their very serious crimes.

 

>>how can I have any security of my own that my bank is doing everything it can to protect my banking account?

You can't. Just like you can't count on the police to show up until hours *after* your house was robbed. There is no one who can safety proof the whole world for you , sorry. At some point you have to take some steps on your own. Most people have burglar alarms and security monitoring to protect their homes. Similar services are available to protect your identity.

I agree with you that Sony and others should do more. Yes, most companies need to get off their butts and take their customers' data seriously. Yes, we should be frowning on many of these organizations that should have known better. Yes, much of the technology sector has still got to do a lot more to prove to the private sector that their data is safe, and that the "system" can be trusted. However, the societal shift that we are making towards technology, and more specifically the internet, is in its infancy. Just because its not perfect yet doesn't mean its ok for criminals to exploit it.

But if all that doesn't hit home, let's see if your own line of reasoning will work. If a bunch of kids, as you describe them, can get away with hacking large corporations and government sites all around the world, what is to protect me? If some punk kids can bully around all these guys, what chance have I got? If there are no consequences for these kinds of actions how can I have faith in an economic system based on electronics? If we are ever becoming more connected, how can I know if at some point in the future some hacker might cut off my medical equipment while I am in the hospital, just because he felt security wasn't up to his standard and he could lay the blame at the feet of the hospital? How can I trust the direction our society is headed if someone doesn't set an example now?

 

>>No, sir, LulzSec is only pointing out what I believe to be a wider issue: a lack of real security.

No sir, LulzSec is only pointing out what I believe to be a wider issue- a lack of enforcement of existing laws against cyber criminals.

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I Jedi

Sorry, sir, but you're full of shit to believe the world works the way you've just described it. The world is not black and white. I'll give you kudos on pointing out that white hats can't always get every security hole, but this goes beyond that. This goes to the point, which you are not recognizing. LulzSec has stated that it hasn't been difficult to break into these servers. If it's not difficult, this means that there is a serious lack of security. I don't need a great and fundamental understanding of networking to understand that when a group of kids can breach a network with ease, that there is seriously a wrong and bad approach to how these networks are protecting their data.

 

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MaximumMike

Thats pretty sad actually. Nothing left to say, so you resort to profanity. No one is arguing with you that the technology sector needs better security. Everyone agrees with you. What others have taken issue with is your stubbornly blatant defense of LulzSec's criminal activity. You have realized that you cannot possibly defend that stance, so you have elected instead to pipe on about the need for more security, which everyone already agrees with. I agree with you that you don't need much intelligence to see that these organizations have some serious security issues. However, you do need an education in networking and security (which you obviously don't have) in order to understand how to fix those issues. Your solution, sadly, is to endorse LulzSec. But tell me, when did LulzSec last provide a professional analysis of their victim's systems along with suggestions on how to fix them? If they aren't doing that part, they aren't doing anyone any favors.

Furthermore, the world operates exactly the way I and others have described it to you. If you believe otherwise, I sincerely recommend you check in for a mental evaluation. There are professionals who can help you. You sound like your moral compass is a little skewed, and even you have no idea why. It's probably just your age and immaturity, but it doesn't hurt to have someone check you out. Better to get it fixed now than when you're forty and have flushed half your life down the toilet. 

Well, I'm convinced at this point that you are neither willing nor able to accept what others are telling you. I won't respond to you again. Good day.

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DustDiesel

I Jedi -

 I read your posts and I have similar views. I am behind your statements.

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Happy

Who says they're selling info for profit? They're revealing it to the public to embarrass and such but I don't recall hearing of them selling info on the black market.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Die.

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Happy

Who? LulzSec? The previous poster? The government?

Ya gotta be more specific.

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Marthian

pretty sure its lulzsec because most of us have had enough of these idiots.

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