LulzSec Franchise Opens in Brazil, Takes Down Government Sites

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carylsanders

 

Wow, they're like a new breed of hacktivists with conflicting interests and values. They claim to be the people but they compromise the public by publishing personal info.

Shaw Capital Management

 

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Holly Golightly

What the, triple post. Now that is a rarity.

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Holly Golightly

What the, triple post... Now that is a rarity.

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Holly Golightly

Wooooooooooo!!! Go LULZ, crush the rich and greedy capitalistic government of the entire world. They have let us normal people suffer long enough. Taking away our rights to live free. I hope LULZ will continue to grow everywhere. Fix North America, and all of Europe. Maybe one day we will get the chance to see the people rise in power, and overthrow the elite who tell us what to do. Gosh I love communism!

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TerribleToaster

I hope you all below realize that this person is a troll. They are only trying to cause conflict so I'd suggest ignoring them.

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Holly Golightly

No bigger of a troll than you are! It is called the right to free speech!

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KenLV

“It is called the right to free speech!”

Something that doesn’t exist in the communist “utopian” countries you think so highly of.  Whoops.

Irony, got to fuckin’ love it.

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Holly Golightly

No more than your pathetic name! And the right to free speech does exist! It is called "Pravda." Look it up you backwards southern hill billy who thinks slavery still exists!

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KenLV

You aren’t even being the least bit coherent anymore.  I don’t get the crack about my name.  Nor why you think I believe slavery still exists…or where???  (though to be honest, even though it’s not called slavery in China, you don’t really have any real choice so…hmmmm…maybe you are right and slavery does still exist)  Also, I’m not southern.  And as far as Pravda goes, are you referring to the Pravda that was run by the good old USSR who, along with Cuba, you are a big fan of?  Or the various rags which have popped up since the fall of the Soviet Union?  You know what, it doesn’t matter, either way: WTF does any of that have to do with freedom of speech in a communist country?  The USSR run Pravda had NOTHING to do with “the truth” and even less to do with allowing ANYONE to FREELY write  (you keep forgetting that some of us are actually old enough to remember the “cold war”) and any of the rags since the fall are either NOT based in a communist country or are about on par with The Enquirer as a “source” of news.

But refresh my memory, what happens when you talk bad about China if you are a Chinese citizen in China?  How about Cuba?  Fidel was always big on freedom of speech right?  Or how about all that freedom of speech in North Korea?  I mean shit, you’re gonna starve to death anyhow, may as well have your dying breath be a “free” one, right?

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Holly Golightly

Wow, never ends with you, huh? Nixon and Reagan has brain washed you extremely well. Still think it was the evil empire? Atleast everyone in a communist country have a job, and had a home. We can not say the same thing for the capitalist ones.

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KenLV

Really?  No homeless?  Try somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 MILLION homeless and another 300 MILLION living in utter poverty with more than HALF earning less than $100 per YEAR.  As to “Everyone has a job” well, that’s also news to the 55 MILLION “official” unemployed persons.  These “official” numbers are estimated to be as little as HALF of the real numbers due in particular to poor reporting/tracking of rural unemployed, especially the VAST migrant worker population that is constantly being laid off and moving on.  So, somewhere between 55 and 110 MILLION unemployed, and you want to “rave” (and rant) about how great it is there?  LAWL

“Wow, never ends with you, huh?”

Actually yes, when someone so ignorant about the world spews her “ignorant of the world, anti-capitalist, pro-communist” feces all over the place, it does in fact “[always] end” with me schooling you.  “Don’t hate the playa’, hate the game.”

I find it interesting that, even when you go off on nonsensical tangents that have NOTHING to do with anything previously posted, I actually address the “points” you bring up but you NEVER do the same.  You just did it here again with each of your new posts.  So, bringing it back to the point that you made about “free speech”, I’ll ask again:
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But refresh my memory, what happens when you talk bad about China if you are a Chinese citizen in China?  How about Cuba?  Fidel was always big on freedom of speech right?  Or how about all that freedom of speech in North Korea?  I mean shit, you’re gonna starve to death anyhow, may as well have your dying breath be a “free” one, right?

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Don’t’ worry, here, where we have TRUE Free Speech, you are “Free” to once again NOT answer the actual questions asked.  What tangent will you take us on to change subject now?  Yawn.

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Holly Golightly

I don't respond to your points because you never bring up any points. All you ask is a bunch of dumb, tiny minded questions. You do not have a right to free speech if you were to going to yell "fire" in the white house. Heck, in New York you now have "silent zones" and people actually protesting in cages. Yeah, you have a right to free speech... In your cell. Yeah, you have a right to a job, in an unemployement line. Yeah, you have a right to a free home, as long as you pay rent, or live in the streets. Yeah, true democracy, right? Yeah yeah yeah, go ask ask me more questions.

 

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KenLV

“You do not have a right to free speech if you were to going to yell "fire" in the white house.”

Actually, you always have the right to free speech – even in the White House.  However, and this is the thing you can’t seem to grasp, is that you are responsible for that speech.  If you yell “fire” there had better be one.  Conversely, if there is a fire and you DON’T warn others, you should be accountable for that too.

You don’t want to be accountable for ANYTHING you write here.  So, every time ANYONE challenges you, you call them racist, ignore their questions/retorts to your outlandish statements/requests that you back up what you post, and then you change the subject/throw out another fallacious statement.  As you just did AGAIN.  LOL

“Yeah, you have a right to a job…” “Yeah, you have a right to a free home…”

No, no you don’t.  NEITHER of these is a “right”.  Who told you this?  Seriously, who is filling your head with this nonsense?  And you are going to say I’m “tiny minded”?

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Holly Golightly

Yeah well, guess what, your arguement is flawed. Your capitalism allows peopel to starve in the streets, and beg for change. In a communist society EVERYBODY has a job!!! Gosh, how much more simple can I put this for you? Goo goo ga ga??? No, that is still too advanced. You must be seriously on something that just completely fried your brain. Think you idiot! Is the world that black and white to you?It is like you never read a book in your life!

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KenLV

“In a communist society EVERYBODY has a job!!! Gosh, how much more simple can I put this for you? Goo goo ga ga??? No, that is still too advanced.”
 
Goo goo ga ga is RIGHT!  Dear lord, it’s like talking to a two year old.  I just posted directly to you, when you made that idiotic claim earlier today:
Really?  No homeless?  Try somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 MILLION homeless and another 300 MILLION living in utter poverty with more than HALF earning less than $100 per YEAR.  As to “Everyone has a job” well, that’s also news to the 55 MILLION “official” unemployed persons.  These “official” numbers are estimated to be as little as HALF of the real numbers due in particular to poor reporting/tracking of rural unemployed, especially the VAST migrant worker population that is constantly being laid off and moving on.  So, somewhere between 55 and 110 MILLION unemployed, and you want to “rave” (and rant) about how great it is there?  LAWL

As to where these numbers come from, read a fucking book or learn how to Google.  These are a compilation of OFFICIAL numbers as reported by the CHINESE GOVERNMENT (as stated) as well as estimates from organizations like the China Foundation for Poverty Alleviation and other NGOs - pretty much anyone else you’d care to look to who has actually looked at the problem.  Your ignorance never ceases to amaze.

Since you brought up the right of Free Speech (remember, this one IS an actual right, unlike the other “rights” you “made up”) you also have another very important right that I suggest you avail yourself of: the right to remain silent.  It’s there to protect YOU, please, please, PLEASE use it.

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Holly Golightly

Right to remain silent? P-H-U-K you!!! Why wont you try following your own words for a change!!! And you should read a book you fascist idiot! Gosh, I have never seen somebody so stupid in life. Only online. You keep giving numbers but fail time and time again to cite your references... Didn't you learn anything in the academy of evil in regards to plagiarism??? No, of course you did not learn that. Time and time again you speak about the evils of China... Yet you keep outsourcing your own henchmen to China and Mexico. Apparently you love China enough to send your money there. See, even deep down in your heart you are a communist. You are supporting a rising power, congratulations!

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KenLV

Huh?

Plagiarism?  Henchmen?  WTF are you on about now?

Anyway, please tell us more about how no one is homeless or unemployed in China.  Does everyone have a pet Unicorn too?  Sorry, was the actual Chinese government not a good enough source for you?  I can’t blame you on that, I don’t trust communists either.

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Holly Golightly

You may not trust communism, but I am proud capitalism is a DYING breed!

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KenLV

Cite your source for your ludicrous claim of ZERO homeless and unemployed in China.  As demanded by you, since you’re too lazy to type “Google”, I cited my sources for MASS homelessness and unemployment.  I even including your beloved Chinese government so you can’t cry foul.  So, as you keep asking of others, cite your source or, as you so eloquently put it: STFU.

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Holly Golightly

Blah blah blah... You are worse than a parrot. Google this, google that. What if I do not feel like "googling" anything. What if there was a world where other search engines existed? Yeah, others like Bing, Yahoo, IXquick and even Yandex? Sheesh, does your closed mind know such end? Yeah, you should follow your own advice and STFU.

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KenLV

So no source then?  Shocking.

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Holly Golightly

Typing to you is like talking to a dead horse. Might as well make fun of it by poking it with a stick. Gosh you're so gosh darn ignorant.

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KenLV

“Gosh you're so gosh darn ignorant.”

Says the girl who says there is zero unemployment and homelessness in China.  But hey, if you have to make shit up to help you sleep at night, go for it.

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Holly Golightly

Counters the man who wishes to relive the Ponzi-Scheme for himself...

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KenLV

Really?  When did I say that?

You see, while you actually DID, on several occasions, say that there is ZERO homelessness or unemployment in China - I never said anything about a Ponzi scheme or anything even related to one.  But as I keep saying, you have to make shit up in your failed attempt to justify your name calling and ranting.  I on the other hand just have to let you keep posting your nonsense and then point out the glaring stupidity of what you wrote. LAWL

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Holly Golightly

You're so capitalist that you fantasise about reliving the ponzi-scheme for yourself. You are a capitalist, right? This is what hardcore capitalists like... Wait until I find out that you are actually turning socialist on me... Apparently we are experiencing some good news here fellas. The idiot has now educated himself, and see the world for what it really is. He wants to make the concept of a Utopian society a reality. Congratulations!

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KenLV

Will she ever learn – or make sense?  Silly child.  For someone that keeps saying that others only see black and white instead of grey, you consistently (and incorrectly) declare all capitalists criminals.  I know you WANT that to be true, but no, “hardcore capitalists” do NOT need to resort to criminal behavior like a Ponzi scheme.  Sigh.

But you are right on one point you made, someone would have to be an “idiot” to be “educated” by you.  But that works for us, it’s like your inbreeding fools. So you keep dumbing yourselves down – it makes it just that much easier for us to rise to the top.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

Hey everybody, see what happens when you allow dumb hicks read 1 sociology book? They swear they are doctors. Everybody knows in a truly free market economy, there could only be 1 business. Monopoly is the goal of capitalism. Ponzi-Scheme is just a part of it. Rob your customers blind because NOBODY has a chance or a choice. The moment 1 company is protected from a buyout, that is socialism at work. You are more socialist than you think... Yet you seem to be supporting the losing team. Unless you like just shopping at one store and one store only... Walmart anyone?

Maybe you might remember some things on Capitalism... Remember when you had to pay for simple things like CallerID? What about paying for things like having an Internet Browser via dial-up? Or better yet, how do you like having to pay for data-caps? Future Americans will look back and look at just how primative republicans like you are. Free is better!!! In capitalism you have to pay for everything like CableTV (which I gladly disconnected) Radio, Museums, health coverage, and even education for crying out loud!!! These things are suppose to be for free to improve the quality of life for everyone! Progressing is a beautiful thing. Clinging on to the past is never going to fix our fractured economy. Don't you even have the slightest of envy for the European Union... I mean, those people get amazing benefits that sane people can only wish for. Yet you side with the Tea Partys and the Cheneys of America... Why? You know, you only hurt America further each time you stop America from progressing. Do you hate your own country that much??? That does not seem very conservative of you.

I laugh at backwards idiots such as yourself. Now bow down to the Queen of Communism, for your failure should have your head in a utopian society!

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KenLV

Speaking of Ponzi schemes…I have to say, I need to give credit to you and your fellow “progressives” for creating this nation’s largest and most devastating Ponzi schemes ever!  I’m wondering if this is where Madoff got the idea??  You can keep denying its existence, and it’s certainly true that it has outlasted most other Ponzi schemes by several decades, but eventually – like, oh, maybe NOW –people are taking more out than is being put in and it is only a matter of time before they come crashing down.  But isn’t that how all Ponzi schemes eventually end?

Of course you haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about because it goes against your “FREE FREE FREE” utopian fantasies to acknowledge the problem, but we’re talking about Social Security and Medicare.  Thanks to the continued raiding of the piggy bank and giving more and more while taking in less and less, both of these Ponzi schemes are falling down like a house of cards.  But rather than fix the problem and making sure people who put in get SOMETHING, you and your fellow “progressives” will continue to deny there is one until there is nothing left but a pile of cards in front of you.  If you and your “progressive” cohorts really gave a crap about “the people” you’d want to fix these systems while there’s still time.  But no.  No need to fix it, just tax everyone MORE.

Oh yes, by all means, let’s look at the EU.  BTW it’s amusing that you some little twit who is still sucking on her parents teats while going to school and hasn’t had to actually support herself, let alone a family, and clearly hasn’t set foot outside the US to live (well, maybe you crossed to border for some good beer in Canada) is going to try to tell me ANYTHING about the EU.  I’ve actually lived in these countries you want to rave about - spending the better part of a decade living there and am well aware of how things are run (or should I say “how things are run into the ground”).  Their economies have been bankrupted by decades and decades of FAILED “social” programs.  Have you not seen the riots?  Their healthcare system?  I WORKED in it until I got so disgusted with the inability to care for people PROPERLY that I returned home to the US.  When it comes to healthcare over there, you really do get what you pay for.  Sure, you might get OK care for free, but the waiting lists for this sub-par healthcare system literally leaves people dying while waiting to get their “free” care.  But hey, so long as it’s “free for everyone”, that’s all that counts, right?  It’s amazing that when someone wants the BEST care possible we don’t fly west to east!

Your ignorance of the healthcare systems and economies of these countries continues to astound.  Every time you post a new note you show us another thing you are clueless about.  I’ve never seen anyone try to talk about so many different things that they clearly know NOTHING about.  It really is amazing.  Is there anything you won’t try to talk about?  Seriously, please, you should stick with topics you are well versed in.  Like leaching off your parents and shopping at Bloomingdales.  I still get a kick out of that one.  A “communist” like yourself lists one of her favorite activities as shopping a Bloomingdales?  Do mommy and daddy pay for your shopping trips to Bloomindales?  Like I said, typical hypocrite liberal. LAWL

You do realize that when you talk like this and you hear people laughing, they aren’t laughing WITH you, right?

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Holly Golightly

Wow, you hear people laughing? You must see a licensed medical professional. No, not talking about your mama. I mean a REAL professional. 

Sigh, yet again you fail to see that even in a communism world, there is a market. Hello! You think the former Soviet Union and main land China are living in the stone age? Yeah, all we want to do is live in the woods, because we have no desire to put clothes on our back.

The key for a utopian society is the have the absolute best. Hence, "Utopian." Even greedy people like you would love what a utopian society is all about. Although the greedy have no chance to live in a Utopian society... You would simply be thrown in the Gulags. Starving your prison sentence. In a utopian society, everyone shares, everyone cares, and best off, everyone is equal. No one person is better than the other. Equal Hardvard quality education for men, women, and children. Socialism works. I can not say the same for the download sloping capitalism, which in many other places, are runned by the mob. Money before people, right?

Sigh, haven't you learned what happens when you starve your poor? Hello, French Revolution ring a bell? What about the collapse of the Tsar in Russia? Starvation can only prevent progress only so much, until they are driven to the point of executing their leaders. If nothing is done to bring forth change, your vision of the correct America will end up like that document called "The United States of Europe" in which the only think the progressives can tell you is "I told you so" and guess what, your humiliating defeat will prove to yourself just how wrong you really are. It is time to support change, vote Obama 2012. You know you want to! Isn't it time for you to get on the winning team? I guess you will just remain a total loser for the rest of your life. Tisk, tisk.

What a shame that you consider benefits free medical care, and affordable housing to be equal to the Ponzi Scheme. They are not at the same level. If you read a book, or newspaper for once, you will understand that the Ponzi Scheme was taking money for the absolute rich. Which is ALL for just one man, Bernie Madoff... But you would not know all about that now would you? Ha! You make me and everyone else on Maximum PC laugh. Madoff is part of that wealthy ring. That top 2% you will never achieve. Capitalism is about just having 1 corporation who is owned by 1 white man, rule the entire nation. Where people have to pay, pay, pay. Every lake and park would have their name changed in favor of their sponsors. Of course, nothing can ever be free at the goodness of their own heart... Can't allow that to happen now can we? Oh gosh no. You are so greedy that you want poor people to pay for drinkable water. Where poor people are not allowed in parks unless they pay a membership of some sort. Even worst, you want people bleeding out in the streets because they can not afford medical care. Nope, in your world nothing is free. Why? Because that is just how capitalism works.

Citizens of the European Union have a great quality of life. Even when times are tough, they have enough money to visit USA to take pictures of the Statue of Liberty. People should be free from the shackles of gold and cash. They should enjoy life with liberty. Money sometimes gets in the way of the inalienable right to pursuit happiness. Think if you were in their position. Not having the privilage to bribe your way through life. Where you have to choose food or medicine because you can't afford both. These people deserve an opportunity, and I am glad for social programs like public education, affordable housing, free medical and dental. Those free programs help boost the quality of life for all. Can you imagine if 2/3 of the American population did not know how to read and write? This would really hurt USA, and would have never help USA reach the status it has reached. This is why we need to have social programs like public education. To pay for the working class of tomorrow. Social programs are like an investment for a better tomorrow. So who cares if you pay taxes? If you didn't, you would not be trolling on me at this wonderful website. So just shut up already. You are contributing the cause whether you like it or not. You can not do anything about it. Whats the point of venting out here anyways? To change me? HA! That would never happen. 

Yeah, I like shopping at Bloomingdales. I happen to enjoy the finest in fashion, the utopian goal is for EVERYONE to have the best of the best. Your capitalist ways only has the elite have the best, while everyone else has to settle with the rest. Hmm, the term elite... It sort of reminds me of the good 'ol monarchy days. The king and his elites. Or better yet, the Holy leader (Pope or priest, whatever) and his religous nobles who own all the land. Noticed how all the phased out governments had elites, and everything after capitalism has no elites? That is because in socialism, everyone is equal... Which is a beautiful thing. No more elites tell you what to do. No more greedy telling babies to get off their mommy's "teat" and become a soldier defending a cause the rich aren't willing to do themselves. 

You are a typical backwards hill billy conservative. lololololololololololol

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KenLV

“In a utopian society, everyone shares, everyone cares, and best off, everyone is equal.”

Where in the world do you think this actually happens?  Certainly not China, or Russia, or Korea, or ANY of the other “communist” or EU countries you keep raving about.  But again, you wouldn’t know that because you haven’t left the warm embrace of college yet.  Give it time.

“Sigh, haven't you learned what happens when you starve your poor?”

Yes…modern day China.  Oh wait, that’s right, zero unemployment and zero homelessness in China – or so sayeth Holly at least.  LAWL

“’The United States of Europe’ in which the only think the progressives can tell you is "I told you so" and guess what, your humiliating defeat will prove to yourself just how wrong you really are.”

Yes, because people here have been itching for riots like those happening all across the EU.  A LOT has changed in the last few years and except for the true believers like yourself, no one is lining up for that.

“Can you imagine if 2/3 of the American population did not know how to read and write?”

We’d have 200 million more people like you running around?  Man, nightmares tonight over that one!

“These people deserve an opportunity…”

About the ONLY thing you got right.  People deserve an OPPORTUNITY.  What they do with that opportunity is up to them.  If they CHOOSE to not live up to their potential, that’s on them and they will live with the consequences.  Where I believe handouts should be a LAST resort – and ONLY for those who CAN’T do, you believe the should be the FIRST – even for those who WON’T do.  I guess I just have more faith in the human spirit.  Seems to me that you believe that life is so unfair that everyone will inherently fail - so why try?  That’s a very sad way to look at life.  I’m more concerned with those that tried and failed than those that failed to try.

“Yeah, I like shopping at Bloomingdales. …the utopian goal is for EVERYONE to have the best of the best.”

I think everyone should be able to EARN whatever they desire.  You think it should simply be given to them – just “for being”.  But the reality (LOL, “reality” now there’s a concept you seem wholly unfamiliar with) the reality of ALL the places you keep raving about is that the vast majority of people end up with the worst of the worst, or at best, the mediocre of the mediocre.  But hey, at least they are all “equal” right?  And THAT is what’s important.  Well, except for the privileged few, they are just a little “more equal” than the rest.  Oh wait, I thought there weren’t any privileged people in places like China and Russia?  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

Ha, the doctor decides to take his own drugs! Apparently not even your own pills can stop you from being a retard. The doctor who is in dire need of medical help, thinks that China is a 3rd world country... Yet, what is that? What? China is a rising hegemonic power? And they're what? Communist? Oh dear Lord, forbid the time a nation for the people should ever rise! No no no... We just let the superior white man tell us that only USA will be rich forever and ever. Lets ignore the fact that blue collar jobs are constantly outsourced, yeah, states like Michigan are do so darn well. I mean, 0% crime, right? Everyone is buying American autos, because nobody believes in buying cheap plastic things made in a country that so happens to be the People's Republic.

Everyone, including your kind wants change. Yet you refuse to accept defeat, you know why? Because you can not adapt to change at all. This makes you no better than the countries you are "fighting" against. Yeah, some man you are! In Communist China, the only people who you keep mentioning are unemployed are just the children, elderly, and handicap. What, you want them to work or something? Give it a rest. Not everybody in every country qualifies to have a job. Everybody deserves the oppurtunity of happiness. You want a productive society, you give them the right to free education, medical care, affordable housing, and a job. You rather focus on big oil than to help your own homeless. What, you get a kick out of watching homeless people stuck in the rain without food, or a place to sleep? Sheesh, even Nixon had more sense than you.

The fact is, even if people screw up, you should support giving people a second chance. Not everybody is a white man you know. But in your imagination, everybody is born with a silver spoon in their mouth. You are a civilian example of George W. Bush. Yeah, Bush, that idiot conservative that the media used to joke about, lolololololol!!!

You have failed to look at other perspectives. Of course you are not going to care about the poor or starving. You have not experienced it yet. But when you do... Maybe you will open your eyes... Or just croak. Whichever comes first. You should keep a more open mind about misfortunate others. Just be proud your president is black and socialist.

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KenLV

“China is a rising hegemonic power? And they're what? Communist?”

Yes, they are FINALLY improving their economy through CAPITALISM – where have I seen that before?  Oh, that’s right, I’ve actually stated this exact thing several times.  It’s how they’ve managed to go from 85% living below THEIR poverty line to 15% - though hundreds of millions more still live in conditions that any reasonable person would find horrific.  But at least, thanks to CAPITALISM, things are at long last headed in the right direction.  I realize that that minor point, that they did it through CAPITALISM, pisses you off to no end, but there it is and your wishing that it weren’t so isn’t going to change things.  The success of their economic system is due to switching mass amounts of their economy to CAPITALISM.  I can’t say it any plainer.  I know you want to hold them out as a communist success, but they are not.

You can keep making the same ludicrous statements over and over, it simply won’t make them true.  Here watch:

Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!

Hmmm…. Still no unicorns?  Maybe it just works for your wishful thinking?  Let’s see…

China has a successful communist economy.  China has a successful communist economy.  China has a successful communist economy.  China has a successful communist economy.  China has a successful communist economy.  China has a successful communist economy.

Did it work?  Let’s see….nope.

“In Communist China, the only people who you keep mentioning [that] are unemployed are just the children, elderly, and handicap.”

LOL  Where the heck do you come up with this nonsense?  Unemployment figures DO NOT include the elderly, the infirmed, or children.  As shown, the stats I gave you are documented and reliable (if you believe the Chinese government that is).  Now, what you DO HAVE in China is widespread HOMELESS “children, elderly, and handicap”.  How does that happens in a country where “…everyone shares, everyone cares, and best off, everyone is equal.”?  Hmmm….that’s odd.

You see, where I can and do back up my statements with facts, figures, and references, you “back up” your statements with one of three things:  “_______________________”??, “Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!  Unicorns exist!” type wishes or “You’re a [insert slur and personal attack here].”

I get it, I really do.  When someone calls your beliefs, which are so clearly based on fantasies, into question and you suddenly realize that you have NO WAY to back up what you say, you have no other choice but to resort to making your entire defense personal attack based.  Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE to get down into the mud once in a while, but when the ONLY thing you have is slanderous personal attacks, well… As I said, typical leftist response:

“Don’t attack the argument, attack the person.  And when they attack YOUR argument, VICIOUSLY attack them personally.”

That’s fine by me.  See that’s the difference between you and I.  This isn’t about me, you don’t know me and EVERY time you make an assumption about me, my life, and my upbringing, you’ve been completely wrong.  So how could your opinion possibly matter?  The answer of course is that it couldn’t.  You asked before why I would even bother responding to your nonsense here since you (a true believer) will NEVER change your mind (I use the term loosely) and that’s the thing, this isn’t about YOU.  I could give a rats ass about you.  But knowing what I know, I firmly believe I have a moral obligation to counter what you and your ilk put out there.  And in “the real world” I do occasionally meet people almost as naive and foolish as you; and when they spout off as you do, it’s always nice to be able to verbally spar with them and trounce them.  Knowing what people like you really believe “the truth” is only helps me with that obligation.  Thank you.

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Holly Golightly

Some man you are, you keep repeating to yourself that "Unicorns exist" what the hell are you? Queer? You must be watching too much "My Little Pony" sigh, and this is who I have to argue with. Wow, yeah, your words are discredited the moment you became overly obsessed with unicorns. Let me guess, do you believe in elves too? Ha!

You keep saying China has a high homeless rate of children, yet you keep mentioning poverty because they have converted to capitalism... Well, I guess it is time China goes back to Communism again, huh? Yeah, you just contradicted yourself. Time for you to take more pills... Open wide!

Do you know why I never copy and paste your words? It is because I do not want to get your illness of stupidity. Hate me if you want, but you know you wish you were half as smart as me, because you are not a man, but a stupid boy. Why would I ever want to copy and paste whatever filth you have to say?

Go crawl in a hole and die. Gosh, I wished they put your ancestors in a gas chamber. Boy, that would have turned me from communist to facist right away. I proud wave my red flag in front of you. You do not like it, lump it.

You fail to acknowledge your own president is black and socialist. He is for the working man. You are not even fit to kiss his feet. Go ahead, bitch and moan just how much you hate your president because he is a man with common sense, and you worship Bush. The Nixon days are over, and nobody cares for Reaganomics. If they did, I am pretty sure they would have elected your favorite bimbo. It is funny how a Republican congressman walked out in front of Obama when talking about the budget deficit. Yeah, republican cowards who can not adapt to change... Much like you. 

I have told you facts again and again. USA is in a financial recession. You do not know why, yet the news has it in clear print! Outsourcing has hurt your middle class. Your poor does NOT have an equal oppurtunity to an ivy-league school because they do not have the money. You say you support giving people an opportunity, yet fail to realize not everybody has the same oppurtunity. Whites are treated far more better than blacks. Men become CEOs and Presidents much more quicker than women. In the real world, people are not equal because capitalism was never about equality! This is why you have places like Vietnam, North Korea, Mainland China, and Cuba. Because EVERYBODY deserves to be treated equally and deserves the same oppurtunity as a white man. 

You support a government that is self distructive, yet you fail to realize that your own government is socialist. Yeah, things like food stamps, low income housing, free abortions (which your mother should have taken on you) public schools, and libraries. These things are what help make life better for your poor. You take these programs away, and America will lose its hegemonic status and respect. This is why the European Union and Canada offer a much high quality of life. They have Universal Healthcare Coverage and ALL colleges are free of charge for their citizens. The rich and poor have a decent life. Over here, the gap continues to grow because you keep hurting your own working class. 

I can see why you do not have faith in your fellow man. It is because you're stupid! Pay pay pay pay pay... That is always your answer for everything. Come on folks, likes pay for the water we drink and the air we breath. It is not our natural right.

Here is some facts you will have to let sizzle in your brain... (Which I am sure all you have is just water instead of a brain) America was built by the middle class. Who do you think build the World Trade Center? Those people you happen to call "blue collar slobs" yeah... Can you believe that? The racist wealthy southern planters verses the nothern factory works who free'd their blacks long ago. Yeah, that is right, the Yankees defeated those greedy confederates. You are a confederate at heart. You support no equal oppurtunity. Money before people. People do not deserve a second chance in life. Even the Lord forgave to the people who made poor decisions in life. No amount of prayer would ever fix you. You are a broken man.

Capitalist USA died the moment the government started funding a space program... That's right. A progressive idea. Not a conservative one. While you are arguing with other people on MaximumPC about the world being flat, progressives explore outer space. See the world for what it really is. Small and round. It is a small world, we must learn to share it. But greedy people are just plain greedy. Ever heard of the famous American speech "United We Stand, Divided We Fall." Why, you should have. It was a smash hit statement here in New York when those towers fell. If you do not embrace your poor, they will destroy you. The poor are your army soldiers who fight for your greedy freedom. Every noticed most of them are a specific skin color with a specific education? No, they are not from Harvard... Nooo, those people will destroy their own flags out of fear. The same fear you have against socialist. I do not want you to fear me, I want you to hate me. Take my shiz with a grain of salt.

You keep fantasizing about Unicorns, okay little boy?

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KenLV

I’m wondering, are you “happy”?  See, there’s something I’ve always wondered; is the saying “ignorance is bliss” really true?  You seem like the right person to ask.  So are you?   Are you happy?

“You keep saying China has a high homeless rate of children, yet you keep mentioning poverty because they have converted to capitalism... Well, I guess it is time China goes back to Communism again, huh? Yeah, you just contradicted yourself.”

Wow, you really can’t read, can you?  “[CAPITALISM] It’s how they’ve managed to go from 85% living below THEIR poverty line to 15% - though hundreds of millions more still live in conditions that any reasonable person would find horrific.  But at least, thanks to CAPITALISM, things are at long last headed in the right direction.”

What is unclear or contradictory about that statement?  Thanks to CAPITALISM, they have gone from having 85% (eighty-five) percent of the population living BELOW their poverty line to 15%.  You do understand basic math right?  85% is a LARGER (and in this case WORSE) percentage than 15%.  What is that?  A 3rd grade math problem?  I mean, you don’t even need to have to do the math itself, just understand: 85 > 15.  Yawn.  The entire CUNY system should be embarrassed at what they are churning out.

“You support a government that is self distructive, yet you fail to realize that your own government is socialist.”

Amazing.  Once again, the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I say.  I literally just said to you “If we continue on as you and “progressives” would like: adding entitlement after entitlement after entitlement (just like the EU, and all these other countries you keep holding up as shining examples, which is bankrupting nation after nation) yes, our federal government WILL collapse in upon itself.  Our darling socialist president’s treasury secretary’s OWN PREDICTIONS (GAO report) are that by 2019 entitlements, and the interest on all these loans that keep those programs going, will eat up 92 cents of every dollar of federal revenue!”  That is ME saying a) the government is SELF DESTRUCTIVE and I DO NOT support such foolishness and b) it’s because the system has been shanghaied by SOCIALISTS.

“They have Universal Healthcare Coverage and ALL colleges are free of charge for their citizens.”

Not even close to true.  But you aren’t interested in the truth so why would that matter?

“Come on folks, likes pay for the water we drink and the air we breath. It is not our natural right.”

You REALLY should educate yourself before you speak.  Look up the difference between “natural rights” and “legal rights”.  Don’t worry, I’m going to help you out a bit here.  I’m FOR “natural rights” - which are bestowed upon man by god or nature and can not be taken away - they are “inalienable” (tell me that at least THAT sounds familiar, PLEASE!), as opposed to the “legal rights” which are given and can be TAKEN AWAY by man.  “Legal rights” can ONLY restrict man.  Which is EXACTLY what big government people like you want.  FYI, since you don’t seem to get it, communism is all about “legal rights” and ABHORS “natural rights” – communists believe that there is NOTHING that THEY can not take from YOU.

IMO The real purpose for government is to PROTECT the “natural rights” of man from those who would try to infringe upon them.

“Those people you happen to call "blue collar slobs" yeah... Can you believe that?”

Hmmm…  Well no, I can’t “believe that”.  That doesn’t sound like me at all.  Please show me where I said that - or anything even close to that.  Once again, making false assumptions and statements about me and my life.  I’m 1st generation American FROM a blue collar family – construction and a teacher.  And with respect to your nonsense about what life is like in the EU: I’m also an EU citizen by birth and lived and worked there for a decade as an adult.  Which makes it even funnier each time YOU try to lecture ME on what life is like in Europe.  LAWL

“The poor are your army soldiers who fight for your greedy freedom. Every noticed most of them are a specific skin color with a specific education?”

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do know; as a percentage of the dead, by a HUGE margin: white males.  What?  Oh snap.  I have to admit, even though I knew it was white males, I didn’t know by how big a margin it was: Korea: 80% of the dead where white males, Vietnam: 85%, 1st Gulf war: 76%, all conflicts since the: 75% - per the DoD – damn, it’s got to sting being wrong all the time.

As to the educational level…your misplaced arrogance yet again causes you to speak without knowing…  The average new enlistee has a HIGHER education than the general public: 98% of enlistees have a high school (graduate) or higher level of education vs. just 75% of the general population – you bigoted, wannabe elitist, POS.

Oh, and FYI: I was 4 years Enlisted, I Corps and 9th ID out of Ft. Lewis, Washington.  And thanks to the GI Bill, I put myself through college.  You are on a roll again with the false assumptions.

“Ever heard of the famous American speech "United We Stand, Divided We Fall."”

If you are referring to the Patrick Henry speech from which that is a quote – well gee, since I’m someone who has shown he is for States’ rights, you bet I have.  However, you’re ignorance of the speech’s content and what it was in reaction to is not too surprising.  So you don’t hurt yourself, here:  look up “Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions” and “Alien and Sedition Acts”.  Also, I thought you were a fan of the French revolution?  No?

Either way, it’s funny that someone who keeps trying to pit black against white, rich against poor, citizen against non-citizen, left against right, etc… has the balls to even quote it as if any of it SUPPORTS her position.

“…what the hell are you? Queer?” “Gosh, I wished they put your ancestors in a gas chamber. Boy, that would have turned me from communist to facist right away. I proud wave my red flag in front of you.”

…and WOW!!! Anti-gay AND anti-Semitic today.  Gee sweetheart, you’re the WHOLE package, aren’t you?  PLEASE don’t ever stop being you.

“You fail to acknowledge your own president is black and socialist.”

What does his race matter?  You have a problem with a black man being president?  You a racist as well as being anti-gay and an anti-Semite?  His race may offend or mater to you, but not to me.  As far as him being a socialist - well fucking duh.  What’s to “acknowledge”?  Despite running as a moderate, he is a socialist - and it’s one of the country’s biggest problems.  One that will be solved come next November though.

Lastly…

“The racist wealthy southern planters verses the nothern factory works who free'd their blacks long ago.”

You do know that slavery DID NOT START here, but it DID END here.  You understand that right?  You should also be aware that there isn’t a person alive today in the US that EVER owned slaves.  But you go right on hating us for it - as if WE had ANYTHING to do with it.

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Holly Golightly

Sigh, too long, too boring. Dude, you are going to pop a vein with the amount of crap you write. I am not going to stoop to your level. I am proud OUR president is black. Red before white any time, anywhere! 

 

"Be proud your president is black and socialist. Just shut up and pay your taxes... and no one will get hurt."

 

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KenLV

If we all “just shut up”, EVERYONE will assuredly be hurt as you and other “progressive” lemmings try to bring the country down to an “equal level” of mediocrity.
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“I am proud OUR president is black.”

Again with the black thing.  So?  Though of course, much to your dismay I’m sure, it’s just another fine example of what ANYONE can accomplish in this country that you hate so much.  He’s a black man.  Thanks for the Muppet news flash.  And because he’s black, what?  He gets a pass on stupidity?  We’re supposed to just ignore how fucked up things have gotten under his “leadership”?  Hmmmm...there seems to be a hell of a lot of criticism coming from the left lately.  Does that mean that they are all racists for criticizing him?

“Sigh, too long, too boring.”

I get it.  I keep forgetting that it must take you ten times as long to read what I write – you know, with all those bothersome facts and all getting in the way.  And like I said, reality can be very boring to you and the rest of the lemmings living in fantasy land.  Like most children, you are easily bored with things you cannot comprehend.  Here’s something you might find more to your liking:

http://www.myspace.com/veronicanightmare

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TerribleToaster

You guys are failing at ignoring the troll. All you have to do is not repsond to them about anything.

 

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Dman222123222

I say we just let them argue and ignore both of them. Agree?

And your pic didnt upload right.

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MaximumMike

I hope that was sarcasm.

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KenLV

Nope, no sarcasm.  She really is THAT ignorant and foolish.  Kids today, eh?  Sigh.

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MaximumMike

I guess its easy to jump on the bandwagon of what's popular without having to understand the real issues. I did it when I was a kid too. A wise man I once knew put it best when he said, "If by the time you're 18 you're not a flaming liberal, you have no soul. If by the time you're 40 you're not a staunch conservative, you have no mind."  Btw, what's the difference between communism and capitalism? Communism is proven to fail and capitalism is proven to succeed. You can try and argue otherwise all you want, but the facts are the facts.

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Holly Golightly

No, that was real.

It is funny how you do not read books. Your too stuck on the old times. Why wont you crawl back to your dungeon, and let the adults take care of this.

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KenLV

 “When I say "read books" I mean history books… Not fiction..[read] Marxist books, Leninist books, or even Stalin's "United States of Europe"… ”

LOL Talk about FICTION!

“The goal of communism is to create a utopian society.”

Speaking of fiction, I believe this falls under the genre of “Fantasy”?

Trust me folks, this person hasn’t got a clue or an original thought in her brain.  She’s a true believer and clueless about the real world.  Here’s a good example of her inability to back up her contentions.  And just says the same things over and over on each thread she floats in to.  I very nicely dropped it at the urging of another poster, but she just won’t stop.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/best_buy_firing_employees_not_pushing_company_credit_card_apps

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Holly Golightly

Blah blah blah... Shit comes out your mouth you cyber stalker! Quit trolling you idiot! Ken, do what your name says and LeaVe. All I say is one thing, and all you do is troll on me! STFU!!!

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KenLV

Um sweetheart, you’ve been here 6 weeks.  I don’t see how people here for 2, 3, and 4 YEARS are stalking you.  Sigh.  But yes, you do keep repeating the same things over and over and it’s someone else’s (flawed) work.  You talk of horrors of the PAST – slavery, kids working in horrible conditions, forced labor, etc… that are LONG gone.  The horrors of living (and STARVING) under communist rule however, are very much real in the present.

As I’ve said, you don’t have an original thought on the subject.  This isn’t your fault and it isn’t exactly surprising either since you have no actual experiences to base fresh ideas on.  And again, no, being twenty something and still in school living off someone else’s teat is NOT “real world experience”.  Come back in a few years after you’ve actually been responsible for your life – and maybe even the lives of others.  Then, you may have something useful to contribute instead of recycling your professor’s rantings about the evils of the capitalist machine (that allows him the freedom to be an “educator”).

If you are going to bring “the evils of capitalism” – and your misplaced belief in the wonders of communism – into these discussions, well yes, I think you should expect to be challenged on that.  That’s not “trolling on you”.  If you can’t handle it, then you dear should “STFU”.  True believers like yourself scare the shit out of me.  Not your misbegotten ideas, they are so easily countered it’s almost comical.  But people like you scare me, kinda like the way zombies scare me.  You can’t reason with a zombie either, they just mindlessly try to destroy you.  Ewwww….shivers just thinking about it.  However, while one can never sway a true believer from their ill fated course, we can, and should, at every opportunity counter their propaganda.  Even here where none of this bullshit belongs.

But back to the point at hand…Sure, anyone can point to the failures of capitalism - though it’s interesting that ALL economically successful communist/socialist/”progressive” (what an oxymoronic usage of the word that is) countries rely on a capitalistic economy (oh crap, there he goes pointing out bothersome facts again) - but anyway, you can point the failings here and there of capitalism, but you can’t point to a SINGLE success of communism – not a one.  Man, that’s clearly got you pissed off.  Hey, here’s a thought, turn it around and call people trolls for pointing out all these nasty tidbits to you.  I, and capitalism, will get over it.  Communism and socialism?  Not gonna be so fortunate.  Just like the zombies.

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Holly Golightly

Oh my goodness. You are seriousl going to start bringing up fictitious characters onto this? Okay, here is a fact, your broken economy is because of capitalism. Hiring of illegals, and outsourcing. Your greed as left other unemployed as the welfare lines continue to grow, and the poverty rate increases. For crying out loud, people can't even get free medical care without a bloody copay of some sort! Do you like watching other, more misfortunate people suffer or something... If that is the case... That makes you some sort of a witch. Get with the program. Your president is socialist!!!

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KenLV

“Okay, here is a fact…”

Dear, you wouldn’t know a “fact” if it walked up to you and smacked you.

“For crying out loud, people can't even get free medical care without a bloody copay of some sort!”

Oh no, not a co-pay!  “Share” the burden?  No, not on YOUR watch!  Of course the reality of the situation is so radically different than what you claim that it’s an embarrassment for you and your ilk to even be making such outlandish claims.  If one were to actually believe you for even a second, you’d think half our population was dying in the streets with ZERO affordable and free medical care options.  Reality though, is quite different than the picture you wish to paint: Millions upon MILLIONS of people pay NOTHING for medical care they receive EVERY DAY.  Nearly two thirds of the population have some if not ALL their medical insurance paid for by their employer (fun fact, this number is expected to DROP due to Obamacare because it will be CHEAPER to eat the fine rather than provide insurance – yeah socialism!) and tens of millions more CHOOSE to NOT have any medical insurance even though they CAN afford it.

FYI HERE is another actual real live “fact” for you: There is NO “free lunch” or “free medical care” ANYWHERE.  Someone ALWAYS pays.  You just want that someone to be “someone else”.
Every time YOU get all high and mighty and want someone to get something “for free”, ask yourself this: “At whose expense?”

“Do you like watching other, more misfortunate people suffer or something...”

Is that what I said?  I don’t remember saying that.  Are you sure that was me who said that?  But more importantly, are those the ONLY two options?  Either “Screw actually WORKING to ACHIEVE and we give EVERYTHING to EVERYONE” (BTW, how’s that work?) OR “we want EVERYONE ELSE to suffer while we watch and cackle in the dark corners of our mansions”?  Nothing in between?  How ignorant of you to think that and how foolish of you to write such tripe for all to see.

For someone who talks about the world NOT being JUST “black and white” and how foolish others are for not seeing the “grey”, it’s amazing that EVERY TIME someone disagrees with you and shows the error of your ways, you label them as inbred, discriminatory, backward, pro-slavery, evil, racist, heartless, bigoted, xenophobes, witches (really? Witches?), etc… Ah, the ol’ standby: “When in doubt (or losing the argument) call them a RACIST (or Uncle Tom)!”  Got to love the classics.

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Holly Golightly

Ohhh, I get it... I am arguing with Sarah Palin. Yeah, that must be it. Creator of the Tea Party! So two thirds of the American population gets free medical care, all expenses paid, huh? Tell me, where did you get that outstanding number? If you are going to provide statistics, you better cite your references. Because these made up numbers of yours are simply hilarious! Obamacare? There is no such medical insurance by that name. Yeah... Epic fail, yet again. I do not care who you really are, in my opinion, you are a Grade A idiot! You want to crush a system you do not understand. Well too bad, you voted for your president, and he is socialist. You lost, loser!

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KenLV

“So two thirds of the American population gets free medical care, all expenses paid, huh? Tell me, where did you get that outstanding number? If you are going to provide statistics, you better cite your references. Because these made up numbers of yours are simply hilarious!”

The ONLY person here making things up and living in fantasy land is you sweetheart.

But once again I have to ask, is that what I said?  I don’t think so.  I don’t want you to struggle – you might get lost scrolling UP.  So, what I said was:
“Millions upon MILLIONS of people pay NOTHING for medical care they receive EVERY DAY.  Nearly two thirds of the population have some if not ALL their medical insurance paid for by their employer (fun fact, this number is expected to DROP due to Obamacare because it will be CHEAPER to eat the fine rather than provide insurance – yeah socialism!)”

Now there are lots of places you can gather info from, but since you can’t seem to figure out how to Google (and I’M the “idiot”?) try the US Census Bureau – 85% of the US population HAS some medical insurance, 61% (down from 69%) have part or ALL subsidized by their employer.  As to those who pay nothing, remember, it’s not FREE as SOMEONE else IS paying, it’s a little program called Medicaid – perhaps you’ve hear of it?  About 50 MILLION children, pregnant women, disabled, and elderly have some or all of their medical care provided through Medicaid.

How are you NOT flunking out of school?

“Well too bad, you voted for your president, and he is socialist. You lost, loser!”

Really?  You think I voted for him?  Seriously?  THAT is what you have gleaned from my posts, that I’m PRO-Obama?  Your deductive powers are truly amazing!  LAWL

I’m going to ask again, for your own sake, PLEASE stop posting about things you CLEARLY have no clue about.

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