Low Cost PC Makers Freaking Out as Windows 8 Nears Release

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webtasarimciyim

Perfect i waiting for windows 8 :D

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methuselah

Windows 8 is a heaping pile of crap.

The UI seems to be purposefully non-intuitive.

Trying to bring up menu items on the side is terribly inconsistent.

The application on the Metro interface (Mail for example) are larger than life and trying to navigate around is complete guess work.

Once you think "Well I can skip past Metro" and click into "desktop", MS has made that useless by removing your ability to access any start menu items from there.

I had to google how to shutdown Win 8 for cryin' out loud.

Apple is going to laugh all the way to the bank, people will leave MS in droves if they release this piece of trash.

I've always been willing to work through the "change" in every MS O/S that has come out (I've been in the game since Win 3.1) but, Win 8 is cumbersome to try and navigate.
Even Win ME and Vista weren't this bad.

MS was on the right track with Win 7 and had an opportunity to improve with Win 8. Instead they've attempted to copy what Apple and Android are doing and it's a complete and utter failure
WTH was MS thinking???

Max PC - How on earth you could ever find "8 things we like about Win 8" is beyond me. Are you guys out of touch with PC reality? What's going on?

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TechLarry

High number of downloads doesn't mean squat.

I downloaded it, installed it, and messed with it for 1 day before casting it aside with deep hopes Microsoft would take another look at the disastrous playskool-enhanced monster they have created.

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DocBogus

Whoever does real work on a laptop knows that touching the screen is awkward and uncomfortable. The same with sticking your hands on a flat panel in front of you, over a keyboard & across a table. Useless. The global flop in sales of those devices should have taught Msoft a lesson. Windows 8 won't be my last MS system. I'm already closing the door: 3 of my 4 machines are rolling with Linux Mint 12.

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huntergren

Windows 8 is nothing like vista.

Sit out the upgrade if you desire, but if you don't think 8 is step forward you're wrong. I think 8 will end up being heralded as one of redmond's best efforts rather than one of its worst.

And to the "this will force people to linuc" crowd...seriously? Maybe it will, and all five of you can have fun together. * will probably be a commercial success.

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TechLarry

Precisely where is it a step forward. Please be specific.

And the Baby-Block Interface don't count.

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loozer

It's faster, Aero glass looks better, and the new start menu can show more icons.

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DocBogus

«The more, the merrier» - the old Msoft motto. You should check your Linux numbers, though. Let the Prohibition Law finish & shops put Linux computers freely on the shelves and you'll see. Okay, enjoy your 8. But wash your hands first if you wanna share the experience.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Will not use Windows 8. Will not buy a computer with Windows 8 installed.

If I wanted a phone, I'd buy a phone. Microsoft isn't going to Facebook my life through an intrusive OS.

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KoiMaxx

I've been using Win 8 CP for quite some time already, and although I loathe the Metro UI with a passion, I welcome several of the changes in 8. All I did was tweak the logon to load Desktop immediately, I don't even glimpse the Metro UI at startup anymore.

I only use very few applications and the ones I do I just open documents directly from Explorer or the Taskbar, so I rarely use the Start Menu anyway.

For the most part, if MS does consider making Metro an option instead of the default in its final release, I believe it wouldn't be such a drastic and regressive change from 7 IMHO. Hopefully, they might even make it that the installation detects your hardware and automatically selects the UI depending on whether your system has touch or not. That shouldn't be too hard for them, would it? :-/

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Penterax

Seriously, I think these manufacturers are just whining and crying because the crap screens they have in their warehouses will be useless. They don't want to change their lousy manufacturing process, either.

It's ridiculous, we have touch screen devices that are less than $200, how expensive can they be? So your $400 laptop retails for $420 instead; that's not going to break the bank for any buyer of cheap electronics.

;)

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livebriand

When will Microsoft realize that the metro UI is terrible on a desktop or laptop, and that most people don't want to pay extra for touchscreens, and that touchscreens don't work well on a desktop, and that as a result Windows 8 will fail miserably? I, for one, will be sticking with Windows 7 and will probably continue to recommend it to others even after Windows 8 comes out. (unless the stupid metro UI can be turned off)

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Penterax

Having actually tested the Consumer Preview, I can say that Metro isn't near the big deal I thought it would be. You can pretty much use a desktop just like you did in Win 7 (and before).

I'm given to understand that MS is listening and plans some changes to give users better "turn off Metro" capabilities. (I think just providing a tutorial would do it for all but the most reticent.)

;)

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aarcane

If microsoft did the sensible thing and enabled both classic and metro UIs as equals, where a user can specify which to load exclusively, with the other never touching RAM until requested, some of the minor incremental improvements of windows 8 would be beneficial. However, there's nothing so great as to get me to say I want to be devoting a significant amount of resources to an awkward new interface.

That said, If there are good touch screen drivers for Linux on the UltraTouch systems (TM!!) I may upgrade to a touch based system. Metro has no hold on me, and Ubuntu has been shipping a touch friendly interface for versions now.

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maxeeemum

If I was in any part of the PC maker market I'd be freaking out too. I'd expect to take a beating. I predict Windows 8 will be so bad that the average user will be returning desktop computers because they don't work and demanding Win7 be installed. Of course MS could come to their senses before the final release.

I've used both the DP & CP versions of W8 and it is bad. In fact it is a downgrade of Windows 7. It's made for tablets and smart phones. I wouldn't use Win8 even if they gave it away for free.

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dc10ten

All I know is I'm not paying apple prices for a windows laptop. Should apple have their own version of "ultrabook" expect the price to double beyond that.

I think $800 could be reasonable for a consumer to spend. If, however, the price hits like $1200+... then their worst fears will be realized.

the touchscreen might be a nice option for some, but shouldn't be pushed as a requirement/standard.

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andrewc513

They've had an ultrabook for years.

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

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loozer

Um, did notebook vendors forget that windows 8 can run on windows 7 hardware? It's got the same system requirements....

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kixofmyg0t

Windows 8 will run on Windows XP hardware. I did it and it ran beautifully. With only 1GB of RAM too.

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Tyger

Forcing this Metro interface down it's consumers throats. This is going to end up as the OS nobody wanted, it's going to be the same as what happened with Vista. Worse for microsoft, if they stay this course, it's going to drive businesses and savvy users to linux. I've considered making the move myself, but I'm very happy with windows 7. Businesses, gamers, older users, and those that have no interest in touchscreens will avoid this like the plague that it is. This is marketing to a very specific group, tablet and touchscreen users. While that market will grow, the business and gamers market aren't going anywhere. No one is going to be playing Diablo 3 on a touchscreen device. Businesses aren't going to retool their entire infrastructures. Just mho. ;)

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Baer

I disagre, it will not drive more than an unmeasurable few to Linux. Come on, that is like saying that Ron Paul will win the election. Linux fans are rabid. I have used Linux but my feeling is. Meh. More of a pain than it is worth IMHO.
What I do not want is to have to use touch screens for my 5760 X 1200 surround or even for my notebook. My present Lenovo notebook supports touch screen but once the novelty wore off I hardly ever use it.I hate having to reach across and I certainly do not like fingerprints on my screens. There is no need to have to use touch with Win 8 however, it is an option. Sheesh, I really wonder if those that badmouth Win 8 have ever really used it.
I do think however that Win 7 will be around for a long time.

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huntergren

Some people can't see the forest through the trees.

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methuselah

Nor can one see the trees through the crap in their face.

I agree that businesses won't switch to Linux, they simply won't leave from Win 7.

Our company came out with a Win Vista corp image for like a second before throwing it away and sticking w/ Win XP before we switched over to Win 7 when it was released.

If Win 8 stays in it's current form of complete garbage, we will stay on Win 7 for quite some time.

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Diosjenin

"Notebook vendors reiterate that Intel has been unwilling to budge on CPU prices"

...so start using AMD. (Lord knows they could use the help).

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dc10ten

vendors and consumers wont have a choice but to push laptops based on AMD's fusion platform. (which certainly wouldn't be a bad option)

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livebriand

Honestly, most users don't need more than an A6 or A8 anyway. The CPU is fine for web surfing and stuff, the GPU can handle some basic gaming well enough... (I'd love to see what Intel thinks of this then... :P)

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whiznot

Mouse and keyboard control is vastly superior to touchscreens in terms of economy of motion. Touchscreens could be used as torture devices for people with arthritis or rotator cuff issues.

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randomgeek

I will pass on 8 but I do like that you can switch to the more familiar desktop, I think 8 is geared towards the tablet crowd and that's what a lot of people are buying these days.

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ShyLinuxGuy

I think Microsoft is going to be the one panicking when it's the Vista days all over again and most users are going to want to downgrade to Windows 7. Why doesn't MS just package the Metro interface and the "classic" (a la Windows 7) interface with Windows 8? It's just not appropriate, for a lack of a better word, on non-tablet interfaces. I'm not necessarily saying that Metro doesn't have it's place, but on a non-tablet PC, chances are it's not the best scenario.

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loozer

The classic interface is there. Just click the Desktop button to close the start menu.

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Budman_NC

Sat out W7 and will have NO problem sitting W8 out as well. No sense giving M$ any more money than I need to. IMHO, we've become a society where pissing away money for the latest/greatest is a way of life. I'll save my hard earned dollars for hardware. Don't need new software that basically does the same thing, but "looks" new. Ribbons? Tiles? Touch Screens? Seriously? All Windows needs to do is boot my rig, I'll take it from there with 3rd party apps that are mostly free and do a much better job. I don't need Redmond telling me how my system SHOULD be. I'll take "Options' for $100 Alex.

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therestorestore

What are you on, XP? Vista? You said you sat out 7, but didn't say you sat out vista.

Seriously, 7 is ok.

Most people I know skipped vista and went to 7 but are rolling their eyes at 8 being here "so soon". I have no plans for 8. Any tablet I get will be android. Unless I can dual boot a xformer prime??!?!

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Dartht33bagger

I'd be fine with Windows 8 if I could turn off metro and run with the classic windows desktop. Since I can't do that, I'm not switching from Windows 7 (which is already the perfect OS in my mind).

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vrmlbasic

Has there been any further news on the "Windows 8 will have a more advanced scheduler which understands the Bulldozer architecture, unlocking the 'true potential' of the chip" rumor yet?

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Morete

The top selling gadgets last year were touch capable devices. Most of those devices are used for games, word processing and social media. This is sending a clear message that people want touch screens and prefer mobility over mice and keyboards. When OEMs and others in the industry raise their prices because consumers are so addicted to touch, then those same consumers need to look in the mirror.

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burntham77

Don't wait for Intel to lower prices. They own the CPU market for the time being. If you want cheap but still great parts, look to AMD. Their APUs seem like good matches for these so-called "ultrabooks."

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Akdst84

Lets think for a second... What is MS primary objective?

"Three screens and a cloud", right?

Now imagine siting on your couch in front 65" 240Hz LED with Windows kinetic enabled PC/console with a Tablet PC equipped with Windows 8 that also interacts with this whole ecosystem: maybe as a keyboard...or some sort of second screen remote similar to Xbox Companion. Epic Win with a side of Awesome sauce!

That having been said...
A desktop PC; as we know it, will ALWAYS have its place.

Do I think Windows 8 is just a lightly salted Beta? YES.
But is there room for growth? Yes.
Could it be a stepping stone for something Awesome? Yes.
Could this push for better integration of motion/voice control? YES.
Will Dallas win the Superbowl this year? Heck if I know.
Will you embrace different and new? That up to you!

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kixofmyg0t

I was unsure about Windows 8 from all the negative comments here.

So I decided to try the consumer preview on my roommates old Core 2 Duo laptop that had 1GB of RAM.(Idk why it only had 1GB.....)

After a whole 12 minute install(from USB) I was greeted by the "Metro" interface. As comments from MaximumPC have taught me, I'm stuck here with no hope for a normal windows environment. Then something happened...... I clicked on the lower left side of the screen and suddenly without warning...... I was greeted by what looked like Windows 7.....sans "Start" Orb.

I then realized that everything negative people have said on here about "Metro" and Windows 8 were just from the hip judgment without any actual experience. I will say this, I have never in 25+ years using a PC with a GUI have had anything run as smooth as Windows 8. Even with only 1GB of RAM its just smooth. Every animation(including the fish on IE 10) is so buttery smooth that I almost forgot I was using something called "Windows". It doesn't run like any windows I've ever known.....actually it reminded me more so of something you would see in a movie.

The "Metro" menu isn't confusing.....it IS the start menu. It's the Start menu with tiles. It's not that hard to figure out. All in all I'm very impressed with Windows 8 so far. This could be a monumental breakthrough for OS's.

TL/DR: Windows 8 is awesome.

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vrmlbasic

My experience with the Win 8 preview on my old laptop didn't go as well as yours.

I have an old Dell notebook with an AMD Turion X2 and a Radeon Xpress 1150 lying around, and I put Win 8 on it.

Win 8 didn't recognize the integrated graphics, and thus only gave me a crap 1024*X resolution. Win 8 didn't recognize the integrated wireless controller.

Shoot, except for the ethernet port, Windows 8 didn't recognize anything.

I expect an OS made in 2012 to be knowledgeable about hardware that is several years old now. Windows 7 figured this out...

Metro didn't interest me in the least, and it sure wasn't smooth or attractive at such a low resolution. Windows 8 shot itself in the foot in regards to me.

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kixofmyg0t

I have no idea what GPU his laptop has in it.....I didn't bother reading up that much. Also I haven't tried it on any of my AMD rigs.....so my only experience was on a 5 year old Intel rig and it ran awesome.

I had a great experience, so I'm gonna give Windows 8 a chance.

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loozer

Windows 8 is great.

Maybe you should have tried downloading drivers from AMD or directly from dell. If windows is going to support all 8 year old hardware out of the box, it means a bigger download and install for the rest of us.

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vrmlbasic

Windows 8 was not "smart" enough to prompt me for drivers or to even attempt to seek them out itself once it had established an internet connection. Even Windows Vista did that much, on the same machine.

Now, I could have sought out the Vista drivers from Dell or AMD myself, but honestly, Windows 8 should be "smarter" than that. It seems odd to me that an OS that is marketing itself on being easy to use would force its users to seek out drivers themselves, and to display heinously poor graphics until the user installs those drivers.

Until there's a truly great benefit to switching, which as of yet there isn't, I won't be.

I, unfortunately, regularly encounter businesses using old P4 machines which have been loaded with Windows 7. From that, I think it would be a poor move for Windows to exclude or obfuscate support for older hardware.

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tugboat_2

I gotta say sounds more like a lazy crybaby than a professional to me.

There is no way on God's green earth that any OS could possibly cover any and all possible combinations of hardware and software.

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cmasupra

This is one of those times where Microsoft is trying to push technology forward. It'll be like Vista. Many people couldn't run it, so they had to buy new hardware for it. Then when 7 came out, people could already run it and it did well. That's not the only reason it did well, but that works for this purpose.

Windows 8 will push touchscreens on people. They won't like it, but they'll have to deal with it. Then when Windows 9 comes out, it'll be successful because people will already have the hardware to run it properly and if they don't, the hardware (touchscreens) will be cheaper because of the demand caused by Windows 8.

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r3dd4wg

METRO USER INTERFACE = IDIOCRACY

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andrewc513

But's its got electrolytes.

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andrewc513

All Microsoft had to do was design Metro as strictly a UI, and nothing more. Something that could be enabled or disabled by the user, and Windows 8 would be a 1:1 of Windows 7 with Metro disabled. But now Metro is so ingrained into the OS that 3rd party apps that attempt to disable or tone down Metro just make it worse. (Start8, for example) Metro in its current state is an entire platform that gives Windows, in its entirety, a split personality disorder.

And there's not a lot going on in terms of what it brings. Aside from ARM support, many of the features being added could hypothetically be rolled out to Windows 7 via a service pack and some new frameworks. Here's what MS should have done if you ask me:

- Scrap Windows 8 for x86/x64 platforms until a far future date.
- Roll out SP2 for Windows 7; Let it bring on the features the current Windows 8 is bring: Windows To Go, native USB 3.0, App Store, IE10, and OPTIONAL Metro that is strictly an overlaying UI, nothing more.
- Keep WP7 for phones only. They're too invested in desktop platforms to try and "pull an Android", unifying the tablet and phone OS's.
- Put Windows 7 SP2 on Intel Atom tablets, enable Metro(again, strictly a UI and nothing more) by default. With full x86 support, you'd run into *zero* of the troubles MS will be running into with Windows 8 on ARM.

I realize that ARM is really taking off thanks to the mobile market, but Wintel systems are a proven success. Why fix what isn't broken?

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Budman_NC

Why fix what isn't broken you may ask? Simple, to make more and more money. Shoving new tech down our throats makes them more money. Businesses have to buy a whole new round of keys and hardware, OEM's have to scramble to incorporate touch screens and keep prices low, etc, all to make M$ more money under the guise of moving tech forward and, after all, its for our own good. If we all fall for it, we only have ourselves to blame.

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tugboat_2

Personally, I have no use for touch screens at all period. That includes phones, tablets, desk tops, and any portable computer. It has nothing to do with being old fashioned or afraid of change or, as some are wont to do, just *itch to be *itching.

1st. touch screens are unnecessarily hard to type on. Unless you have smaalll fingers/thumbs, you can never be absolutely sure what you just keyed until you visually confirm your key strike. Especially if you have large hands, work hardened hands (decreasing your sense of touch).

2nd. I fall into both catagories. Plus, and I'll bet I'm not the only one to experience this, there seems to be a lot of times that I don't have to actually even touch the screen to trigger an action. It seems something akin to how some folks used to have problems with electrically operated wrist watches.

3rd. I detest all the damned smudges on my screen. Just what the hell is so cool about smudged screens any way? Yes you can use a stylus. But then you're down an even worse half speed hunt and peck. Besides a stylus tip also picks up dirt and skin oil and eventually smudges up the screen. In addition most styluses are actually pretty sh‰*y when it comes to "accurately " placing the cursor wherecyou want it.

4th. When entering then editing text (especially in small boxes like these comment boxes) you have a hell of a time repositioning the cursor for corrections or inserting comments.

I don't know how many of you ever saw the old LG Envy phone, but that was the best overall layout design of them all. It had a truly excellent keyboard. That design would be absolutely sublime from an ease of use stand point if it was upsized to today's, what, 4-4.3˝ screens. Yes it would be heavier than most. Yes it would be thicker than most (but you could probably get double the battery into it). With the external screen and keyboard you still had a usable phone w/o flipping open the main screen and keyboard. Speakers were EXACTLY where they needed to be, one on each side of the screen pointing at you and not down at the floor or across the room. Sounded pretty decent to by the way. I MEAN come on folks were not talking talking a 10# barbell here.

For tablets, I personally thought the layout of the originally Kindle was a good starting point. Granted, the layout only worked in the portrait mode.

It seems to me the world is caught up in some kind of mob mentallity. Induced by folks like those fruit sales men and spurred on by media pundits (at times I think pundits should read idiots). Yes being able to touch a window and make something happen is worthy of some ooh's and ahh's. But get real, it's not truly practical or efficient. That is if you are really honest with yourself.

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btdog

I couldn't agree more.

In addition to your comments, why on earth would I want to type more than one sentence on my screen? If you sit at a desk, not only would it look stupid, it would feel stupid & would be extremely difficult.

And another thing, touchscreens won't work well with laptops either. With handheld devices, the touchscreen makes more sense - you're "holding" the blasted thing so you can steady it for your touches. If I was sitting on the couch with my notebook on my lap, I'm certain I would be "touching" my notebook onto the floor!

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