Look Out Pirates, Joe Biden is on to You

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coffeewhore

..."It ain't no different than smashing a window at Tiffany's and grabbing [merchandise]," said Biden.

 

Um, Joe, that's a double negative. In essence, you just stated it IS different. Way to be clear and concise; nevermind that it's absolutely nothing like smashing a window at Tiffany's.  Even though I voted for you, please for all that is holy and pasta-related, get a freakin' clue.

 

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Rotundo_Pierluigi

Let's see if it is going to be successful or not..

 

Rotundo Pierluigi 

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someuid

I wonder what the new excuse will be when they do stamp out piracy and realize they are STILL losing billions of dollars.

 Who here remembers Sliders, and the episode where everyone lived and worked in a mall and had minimum spending quotas?

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BlackCatBonz

The current model used to make and a distribute music is dead.

The savvy artists out there know it and this is the RIAA'a last kick at the can... Get in bed with any and every politician out there that will listen to their sob story.

Recording artists make very little money off of records. The label fronts a bunch of money to record it, they take back what it costs off the top, plus any kind of marketing campaign costs. What's left for the artist is the scraps... and this is how 99% of all contracts work.

You want to help the artist make a buck? Buy directly from them. Watch them perform live, and buy merchanise from their show... That is their bread and butter.

 The problem artist's face these days is the fact that they aren't on the road 250 days a year and thinking up ways to keep themselves relevant.

Smart acts will move forward into the digital age and develop a relationship with their fans through the internet and youtube... and sell their music and merchandise on their own websites in lossless CODEC's for archiving and mp3's for portable players and CD's for the folks that want to open something up and look at a disk liner with all the notes.

Not being needed... That scares the shit out of the RIAA... and the politicians that took their money.

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Trooper_One

I'm not going into argument about priracy being theft, but there seems to be a lot effort into this for some hypothetical damage (billions lost for the industry).

There seems to be little effort going into corporate fraud, environmental damage, etc...

 Why?

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Cade795

Billions in lost revenue for the industry results in reduced tax revenue for the government.

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fusobotic

http://piracyfaq.com/

Please, read this before posting anymore piracy comments. It basically outlines the different arguments, so we don't have to explain it to you.

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Cade795

Well I went to the site and in my opinion it is biased. The point I was making with my previous post is that I constantly hear that "piracy is not stealing that it is simply copying". I would disagree.

At the end of the day pirates are basically getting something for nothing. They are being entertained or using software which allows them to do somethign that they could not have done before. Yes I know that there are a lot of programs out there that are open source that provide a similar feature set or function, but if that is your argument then why are you pirating?

 Pirates try to disassociate themselves with things such as counterfeiting because they do not want to own up to the fact that at the end of the day they are in the same boat.

 Side note, I think that people who have been caught pirating and charged some insane fee such as $2500 per song that they were accused of sharing/downloading is ridiculous. Charge them at most for the cost of the song/album/movie and the associated court costs. I dont think it is fair to charge a single person for the number of times the content was shared. If you want to collect more money then charge each and every person who violated the copyright.

 

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Cade795

It would be really nice if the logic that copying is not stealing would apply to money. Good luck trying to explain to the Secret Service and the Treasury Department that copying is not the same as stealing.

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Sediket

Its funny how many people defend and get offended on this topic, so many people just don't want to have to pay for stuff, and defend free downloading

The way I see it, people want to get paid for their products, and it is a legitimate statement to say that the people involved in the creation of copyright material don't get paid as much as they would if their product wasn't pirated.  There is no way that point can be disputed. (Even though I know people will try, maybe saying that they wouldn’t buy it in the first place, so it doesn't matter, well in that case all those people deserve a free copy! makes sense doesn't it?  That’s how we should do business if you can prove that you wouldn’t buy it, then you deserve a free copy. *crazy*)

The only reason people defend piracy so much is obvious also, they like to download copyright material without paying for it.  It’s just greedy for expecting the world of entertainment to be working for free.

Before everyone turns that around and says that every last person who ever worked with creating copyright material are rich and are greedy for charging money for basically doing their job.  Think about when you watch a movie with someone like Brad Pitt, big name actor, when you finish the movie and you see the credits there isn't just one name there, and they are not all rich especially with hard economic times in America, think about it.  If working in that industry was full proof and guaranteed money wouldn't we all do it?  Like put the makeup on the actors or just do any job related to creating copyright material.

The only way movies make money is when people go to the theater or buy the movie from the store, sure some big companies might have other sources to make money but in movie making that’s it, why do you think they care so much about box office sales?

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ellegon9

If you look at the credits at the end of a movie, do you really believe that makeup artist is going to get a nickel more if i pay for a copy of the movie?

Most of those people don't get residuals, they get paid a set amount for their services period.

Take "The Lord Of The Rings" movies for example: The production budget and advertising combined, cost the studio 430 million - The box office gross was nearly 3 BILLION dollars worldwide... they made their money, and are making more very day with their DVD sales, which is incentive enough to keep producing movies dispite the industrys complaints of poverty because Barnacle Bill downloaded a copy of their movie..lol

MPAA sues some poor schmoe for a million bucks for downloading some stupid movie that you'd later beg for those two hours of your life back if you paid to watch it... do you actually think those actors or grips or gaffers get a single penny of that?....lol. come on!!!

You get sued for downloading an episode of an old show like different strokes...different strokes...right..lol

They get awarded say 200 grand because you downloaded it... it's not like they made it available for you to legimately purchase. you can watch it free on TV Land and the satellite and cable companys fully promote TIVO... You think they're going to dig up Gary Coleman and hand him or his heirs a single dime of that?

The MPAA and RIAA feign poverty and tell everyone "We're poor and if we don't get every single dime we feel we have coming to us, then these artist will stop making movies, or producing albums... you're taking the very from their children's dinner plates " and everyone's buying this cr@p...Geeez

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Sediket

You assume to think that I believe that everyone who was involved in the making of a movie earns a percentage of the sales, which is not what I wrote.  However it is an obvious fact that the money people get paid for making movies is from the overall sale of movies.  Just like any other company, the company makes money by selling its product which is in this case a movie.

Your second thought.  Lord of the rings was a successful movie so that justifies obtaining a copy without paying for it?  Still doesn't make sense, you can justify it all you want but it’s still wrong, and obviously not all movies make profit.

Your third thought.  Why would anyone think actors get the money received from suing someone by the MPAA?  People get sued as a form of punishment.

Then the MPAA and the RIAA, are they feigning poverty?  Never heard that, but the country isn't feigning poverty, the unemployment rate is the highest it’s been since the depression and there are a lot of jobs involved in making copyright material and obviously if there were more money there, there would be more jobs.

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bergie berg

+1.

 

I basically made the same argument a little bit ago on Gizmodo.  No matter the reason, piracy really does boil down to people not wanting to pay for things.  I used to torrent stuff myself, justifying it with everything from the "I wouldn't buy it anyway" to the "the studios suck and the business model is retarded" but recently stopped after thinking a bit on the whole Hurt Locker shenanigans.  No, suing everyone who downloads won't stop downloading, but no, downloading illegally will not stop them from suing or force them to change their business model.  They went from making $25 per DVD to $2500.  Great job fixing the system, torrenters.  

Wanna get studios to change their policies?  Hate the idea of a $25 DVD that costs less than a dollar to make?  Don't buy it.  For God sakes don't download it.  Ignore it.  Show them that it has no value and stop justifying unethical behavior.

 

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popstop785

Wants to give ISPs the authority to control and monitor what we all do to protect copyrighted material? Why not focus on bigger issues? We have a VP worried about the music and movie industry losing money... the entire US is having a lack of funds and he wants to protect copyrights? Wow... just wow. 

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Trooper_One

Mr. Vice-President, you have bigger issues to deal with like the economy, health care, war in Afghanistan, and the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

If you really want to stop theft, fraud, and greed in general, you should look into white collar crime, insider trading, lobbyists, corrupt judges (eg. like the one who struck down the deep oil rig ban - who btw, has stocks in oil companies).

 Mr. Vice-President, hunting down regular citizens might be easy, but please take a look at the big players.

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bergie berg

I think your point is well taken, but missing the big picture.  They are all connected by one thing: ethics.

The problem is that people big and small have found out that they can get away with moral bankruptcy.  As a result, we have judges taking payments, CEOs who make 8 figures while employees work twice as hard for minimum wage and don't get benefits because the company exploits them, and individuals who download when they haven't paid and don't deserve.  

 Regular citizens stealing movies might not be as bad as the destruction of an entire gulf, but the moral crime is fairly similar.  There needs to be a change in the way people think.  It's anything but easy. 

 

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yr

He just wants to crack down on piracy... Just to protect Copyright holders...

Firstly, if I were to go now and try to copyright the WHEEL, I have a good chance to be awarded it!!! Let them reign in who should even have a copyright in the first place!!! But, no. He has better fish to fry, and collect $$ under the table from the MPAA and RIAA.

Secondly, I don't think copying is 100% correct, but it is not 100% wrong. IF I PAY FOR SOMETHING, I OWN SOMETHING.  The big companies pay politicians to let them tell me what I can do with my property.

About the 'only 1 person will buy it', if it would be affordable and a quality product , everyone would buy it. If I am told to fork over $100 for a "blind date", it may be a buggy program or bad song. I wont. After I hear it, I buy it ONLY if I like it.

Thirdly, the industry want me to pay, and then treats me like a criminal! DRM. Assassin's Creed 2, etc. Should I have to PAY for this kind of treatment? Just like paying for TV service and then being forced to watch commercials, which get longer and longer. It's CRAZY!

Let's vote out all of these idiots and get in some politicians that don't sell us out to the highest  briber.

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Elric

That the American people managed to vote someone into the second highest federal executive position that can't distinguish the legal difference between theft of property and a lcense violation. GO USA!!!!!!!!!

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bergie berg

so why dont you enlighten us?

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Danthrax66

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Spamalot

i think the best example i read on this thread was that they liken piracy to j-walking.  i really dont see how it is such a high offense.  i understand you are technically taking someone's work that you did not pay for.  well let me ask you this i know for a fact that people back in the days of dos would take software from work or other places and copy it without paying the liscensing fees.  now if you ask me that was taking something that isnt rightfully yours.  im sorry but i really think the price of entry for a lot of media items are too high.  there should be some sort of price structure for this.  i personally tend to think that the price of windows is way too high 200-300 bucks for a copy of win7, btw i use ubuntu and winxp mostly in virtual machines which i do hold a liscense for.  i even have a legal copy of win 7 from school actually but no real hardware to use it on.  anyways as a  lot of people know there is alyways more stuff on the p2p sites than there are on itunes and other such sites and not necessarily of better quality but of some quality.  i do think a lot of people will try something and if they really like it will buy  the actual product.  i dont think the media industry is losing as much money as they say they are because they are protecting their interest.  i persosnally would like to see a model more like that of open source programs where you can download for free but they suggest a donation.  i really think a lot of people if given the oppurtunity to give the "artist" his ddue will pay him/her something rather than nothing at all unless we are talking about the youth in this country.  i dont think you should be forced to contribute to the artists funding but it will help them in the future to deliver you new products as well as to help them finance new ventures.  i really hate the fact that so many third party people are involved with the actual artist's production and get to charge fees that are ridiculou to consumers.  personally i will say this much if i like something i will gladly give them some sort of support to create further good works of art.  on the other hand poorly written programs are no excuse for charging people a crap load of money for things.  and M$ you need to make a real cheap version of office for people to buy honestly i dont know many people that will plunk down  5-600 dollars on hardware and then fork over another 150 for office.  i just think their price scaling is off for consumer products.  i personally think that they should be less for consumer products but in the eula that they cannot be used for anything other than academic affairs or personal use and that all quote on quote business pursuits need to pay more for these liscensing fees.  i totally agree with the open source philosophy on software i really dont think any money should be made off of it except in giving tech support and maybe getting iit all running and things of that nature sort of like red hat and canonical's business models. 

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Bullwinkle J Moose

 

Once Micrososft opens up the source code to XP, Vista, Windows 7 and every other product they have, we the Public will show you every instance where Microsoft stole the source code of other developers and used it in their products!

 We the public are NOT allowed to enter into ANY Licensing agreement with Microsoft or anyone else who is violating copyrights and patents of a 3rd party

So please feel free to violate ANY uninforcible Licencing agreement that is based on closed source code!

If you can prove the sourcecode is YOURS, I will personally honor your Licencing agreement

Untill then, LICK MY SHINEY METAL A$$!

 

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stradric

...unfortunately it's completely ridiculous.  Microsoft may not be the most popular company around, but they do have a lot of talented people working for them capable of writing their own code.  I'm not sure where you get the idea that they steal all their code, but that's definitely one for the book of batshit crazy conspiracy theories.

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edward2112

The battle to fight piracy is unwindable plain and simple, and why the government doesn't spend it's high level member's time more wisely, and spend our money better, is beyond me.

(What the hell is an "intellectual property enforcement coordinator?"  How much money does this fat cat sitting at some desk with a golden nameplate make?  And how much do the people that he "coordinates" make?  And what in God's name do they do?)

Also, I downloaded Bioshock and Fallout 3 before I purchased them, but guess what? I PURCHASED THEM!  The saddest thing is that both cracked versions work better then the retail copies; they crash less and are more reliable.  Ever since I got game of the year edition of Fallout I am having a terrible time making it run at the same resolution and settings as the cracked version, and Bioshock has been only slightly better.

This just kills me, I pay for the product and I get something inferior.  I know this may be an isolated case, and it certainly isn't the general rule, but it's a personal reason for me to not have any sympathy for developers that leave me screwed over.   

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tri8gman

Anybody remember what Radiohead did? Pay what you want? Made
millions? That they got for themselves and not a Label? Oh, sorry, they
didn't make tens of millions of dollars making music like they would
have with the old model, but they've got more fans (happier fans). More
fans means more merchandise and concert seats filled.

To some
degree, fighting piracy is selfish - attacking the freedoms of the
Internet (one of the greatest tools of mankind) just to get more money
(even though they're already well into the green...at least if they didn't need an army of lawyers).

They want to get downloaders who are some combination of the following:

Don't care about the theater experience.

Don't have the money for the theater or the DVD anyway.

Would wait for a friend to get the DVD anyway.

Are too lazy to go to the store to pick up the DVD.

Don't have some kind of TV package to watch on for one reason or another.

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bergie berg

By your rationalization, I deserve a free maid service because I don't want to do it myself, I don't want a messy house, I don't have the money to pay them, and my friend has one.  Way to justify the irrational.

If you don't care about the theater experience? Don't go to the theater.
If you don't have the money? Rent it, or here's a novel idea, stop wasting time pirating and get a real job.
If you are waiting for a friend to get the DVD? Wait for the friend to get it.  And stop being such a mooch.
If you're too lazy to go to the store?  Your're pathetic and there is this thing called iTunes.
If you don't have a TV package? Get one, or buy the movie in some other legal way.

Most of all, if you aren't willing to pay in some way for something that isn't yours? Don't watch it. 

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NnuttHowze66888

Back in 2002 Tech N9ne A Rap artist from kansas City, Mo. Did what he called the F.T.I. Campaign (F*** The Industry). The way he did this was by putting his newest CD "Absolute Power" up on his web site for free, 22 tracks for free, he had commercials advertising that he would do so and so on. By him doing this his CD sales Doubled. Because 9 times out of 10 if people like it they will go out and buy it.  

 

So Is piracy a crime or is it helping Sales? and they might not realized this until they "shut it down".

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VaMage

Who, a politician, and what, industry tool, Biden is has been a known quantity for a long time.

Take a look at the funding for his senate races, you will find that the MPAA & RIAA bought him outright years ago, all he's doing is making good.

Robert A. Heinlein: "An honest politician is one that stays bought". 

By the Dean of SciFi's definition Mr. Biden is an honest politician. 

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Sinux

Even if they were capable of shutting down all websites, there is another P2P app they can never stop. Its called a group of friends. It was very popular back in the day, Especially with cassettes.. (are those even around anymore)lmfao

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cc3d

politician getting snowed by the media industry.  There is report after report showing that the media industry has grossly exagerated the numbers for loss of revenues due to piracy.  This will be used to strip is of more rights.

Plus, Biden is a fucking idiot!

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bikerbub

it's still not the same, because it's intellectual property, but it's definitely not smash and grab. the object is to do it as quietly as possible, and slip away unnoticed. unless people are still using thepiratebay trackers and downloading from there, people are trying to be sneaky about it.

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Sinux

I totally agree with you

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Mark17

Why do people keep trying to compare breaking in and stealing something to pirating? Pirating is simply just copying data and/or information, nothing more. Piracy is not theft. Clean and simple.

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schmitty6633

Mark17 shows himself once again...

You keep telling yourself that to avoid the real point.  Sure something can be copied but once is it copied there is no point to go out and buy the real thing.  Just the same lame excuse given every time.... Sigh 

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tri8gman

I am inferring you don't like piracy. You still buy the product, I'm going to guess.

And to be an informed person (Even Lars from Metallica eventually tried it, even gave it a "Wow...") you've probably tried it and are capable of getting it for free. But you don't?

Oh Jesus, you have the money to buy what you buy and you don't copy what you don't have money to buy? It's a concept I've never heard of in a human being! What, being an apparently totally depraved and unsympathetic creature.

I grabbed Fallout 3 Reloaded at a LAN party the first time. I played Fallout 3. Then I bought Fallout 3.

The excuse is not lame as much as malformed. Intellectual property theft isn't black and white - anybody who says it is might as well call every moral issue cut and dry.

Would you rather we were like Canada, where you can't even PARODY anybody's work? There's a disagreement most who are full on, black and white anti-piracy might disagree with others about.

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Mark17

So why should I go out and pay for it?

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Mark17

So not buying something makes someone lose money? Let's say I go into a store and I'm looking at CDs and then I decide not to buy one, or any of them for that matter. The people that produced the CDs lose money? So that should mean I should be required to purchase all of them or I am stealing. Right?

Also, I don't have a problem paying for stuff, whether it's music, software, or movies. If it sucks, then why should I buy it? If it's good, then obviously it would probably make sense to pay them to keep producing it.

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bergie berg

then why are you pirating it anyway?

I agree with Juan's point even if his wording allows your justifications.  If you are pirating software or music or movies or whatever, you're getting something you don't deserve.  It might not be like stealing a CD off a shelf because it "costs nothing to copy," but it did cost something to produce originally.  It's more like not paying for a service, the service being the creation of whatever content you obtain without earning.  And this is all assuming the pirate would never pay for it.  Odds are, there aren't a lot of John Doe burger flippers who need a $1700 creative suite, but there are plenty of 16 year olds who love the idea of free Jonas Brothers because their parents won't pay for that crap.

 The point is, it isn't morally justifiable for anyone to take something they do not deserve.   

Or Stalin will eat your face. 

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Mark17

If I can't look at something or use something before I purchase it, then how do I know it sucks?

Saying something "costs nothing to copy" is wrong. The cost may be small, but there is a cost. You have to pay for internet service, a computer, and the person that is uploading something has to pay for the same as well. It's just that the cost is way less to host a media file on a server than to produce a CD and ship it to the store.

Why can't these media corporations realize that? There is absolutely no reason to produce physical media like CDs and DVDs. Sure they distribute songs on places like iTunes, but the cost is absurd. They want you to pay the same or more than it costs to actually go out and purchase the CD in the store. Not only that, but the quality is lower. On iTunes, you can purchase an album for $10 in MP3 format. Then you go to the store and find that exact same album on CD with CD quality audio $2.00 cheaper, plus all of the cover art. WHAT?!?!? So it's cheaper to produce a CD and ship it to the store? Then, you have the retailer markup, the time you take to drive to the store, cost of transportion, and on top of that, sales tax. You would think that these media corporations would realize that. I simply don't get it. Based on all of that, you would think that their media would be substantially cheaper. But they don't care about the consumer, or the producer of the content. They just want all the money they can get their hands on.

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violian

Think thoroughly before you talk. You're telling us that if John Doe who is flipping burgers for $7/hour would've went out and paid $1900 for Adobe Suite 5 hadn't he have pirated the software? Ha! If he couldn't pirate the software, he would NOT have bought it anyways.

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Danthrax66

You are a dumb fuck.

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bergie berg

are a troll.

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blue_moon

"You would have bought it if you could not copy it. So the person who
created it is now losing money. If your actions make someone else lose
money directly as a result of what you do, how is that not the same as
taking money from them?"

No, not necessarily.  The people who produce the software/music/video that is being pirated don't lose anything aside from a potential customer who now has no need to purchase whatever goods they are tying to sell.  They'll make less money, no doubt, but they won't actually go from having X amount of dollars to Y amount of dollars.

I am against software piracy in some forms, and I do believe that people who spend time creating content in any form deserve to be payed for it, what you just said is not how it works.

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nikki_gx

He actually said it's the same thing as smashing a window at Tiffany's. What a load!!!! There's a huge difference, piracy is all about ego. If I smashed a store window and stole whatever I could grab, the store owner would have to deal with a broken window and he'd be out of the money he invested in the lost inventory. If he made a claim, his insurance premiums might go up and his carrier would have to pay for what was stolen. There's a clear unambiguous cost to the theif's actions. In piracy, there is no loss. Except for people selling pirated copies there's no comparison. And Biden, the MPAA and everyone else on this bandwagon aren't talking about them. The industry feels stupid when they release a great movie and kids are bragging that they already downloaded it - and they want someone to pay for making them look stupid. And some people go out and pay for a CD they hate and can't return and take their anger out on those that downloaded it for free to find out only one good song was on it. The fact is, when people want to go see a movie they pay to see the movie. When they want the DVD, they pay for the dvd. The people who download aren't getting the same movie experience for free and they probably weren't going to pay for it anyway. A 320cbr mp3 is close but not the same quality as an actual CD, doesn't come with a jewelcase and artwork. If the industry was actually losing money I'd think the arguement would be reasonable but they aren't. An LP used to cost about $8 when cd's came out and cost $10. Did cd prices go down as they replaced LP's? No, they doubled instead even though production costs got lower.  

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crazitrain02

If I recall correctly, Napster actually HELPED tons of artists by giving them the opportunity to share their music, giving them the chance to get a record deal and making money.

I download material before I purchase it, because if it's crap I don't want to regret buying.  I've made that mistake by spending $60 on a PoS game called Modern Warfare 2, and now I can't get that money back to spend on a couple of Blu-Ray movies that I actually want to buy.

The MPAA and Hollywood both needs to realize that the people who spend the most money on said merchandise are those people who download it!  We pay money to support the artists that are good, and don't GIVE away our money to the crappy artists who only have 1 good song/movie.

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Ashton2091

You're absolutely right. In fact...it has been proven time and time again that most people who download music are the ones usually buying it. Sure a few don't. But that's the same as back in the day when we had cassettes. Some people would just go to Blockbuster Music (old school) and try the album out and then decide to buy or pass. Then some would simply find someone who has it already copy it to a tape then be on their way. Odd how movie sales (both dvd/blu-ray and theaters) are banking like never before.  UNLESS the music or movie sucks. So what we are seeing is artists who's music is not selling because it's not good. Unlike back in the day, we know it's not good because we can hear it before we buy it now. Perfect example: Lil Wayne.  I'm not going to judge if he's a good artist or not.  All I know is that when torrents are alive and thriving well...this guys album sold 1.5 MILLION in the first week. That means someone bought it. Make crappy music...it gets downloaded and sometimes even deleted afterwards because it sucked so bad. Make good music and people want not just the music, but the booklets inside with the credits, pictures, and a nice case to protect your valued CD which you could not afford in the first place but you bought because you like the artists music. BOOYAHH! LOL

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fusobotic

I don't know where these people get stealing from, pirates only access information restricted from them. It's like saying, "Your not allowed to enjoy, view, or learn this piece of information unless you pay up. And if you do find a way to access it we'll sue you for copyright infringement."

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fusobotic

Well, this is how it goes, you don't actually own any of the content that you buy. The person who owns the "intellectual" property, is actually licensing the content to you. So basically you cannot access the content unless the owner says so (or, in other words, you buy it). The radio stations and such have licenses to play the music publicly. So pirates access/share/download the content (or information) "illegally", which doesn't make much sense, saying that information is yours and you can sue if someone shares it illegally. It's the equivalent of saying that a person can't tell a friend the plot of a movie, the lyrics of a song, etc, if they don't have a license to, or else they'll get sued. It's the same thing online, only people are sharing/speaking to each other in 1&0s over their computers.

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bergie berg

What do you do for a living?  How would you like it if all of a sudden, people started getting whatever you did for free, and you ended up screwed because it's all 1s and 0s.  

 

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fusobotic

Actually I do create artwork and sell it online, and I wouldn't mind if people enjoyed my artwork without paying for it and that's because I had fun creating it in the first place. If your purpose in making art is to sell it, you won't enjoy being an artist. I make artwork in my free time for fun, and if it's good, I say, "hey, this might sell online", and put it up. It might sell, it might not, but I had fun anyways. All those game designers/artists, and 3D animators get paid to make stuff, but don't get paid from the sales. The big companies that employ them get paid. If I don't buy a company's product but view it anyways, I'm not hurting the creator, just the companies trying to get the most money out of someone else's creativity. And what if I don't like the content? I might be able to get my money back, but I still had to invest in the first place.

If anyone out there creates artwork just to make money by selling it, you're a sick person and not a true artist. Although if it's your job to make artwork or just a fun hobby, I respect that.

my portfolio website: http://fusionstudio3d.co.cc/

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