Kinect Creator Rings Death Knell for First Person Shooters on the PC

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Badg3r1977

The people who make consoles are just trying to bully the came developers into making games for consoles; then more people would consoles paying them their wages!

 

As for the input peripherals (that’s a keyboard and mouse for all you consol children); they are more accurate on a PC, that’s why a noob PC gamer can kick a vet consol gamers ass.  Also, many console games incorporate aim-assist; now how is there any skill in that.  And before all the consol gamers start shouting PC FAN BOY, I have a wii and a 360 as well.

 

Now…. All the sad people who say PC gaming is dead should STFU, PC gaming has been around since the dawn of time (I know, I was there) and always will be.  While its true, a game capable PC would cost twice a much (or more) than a console; once the initial payout has been made, you can outlast any console by adding minor upgrades!

 

And another thing… all the people who say PC gamers are pirates; look at a torrent site, you can download consol games as well.  With a few quid to chip your box, you can play any copied game; so all you people who say PC gamers are pirates; tell me how a chipped consol is any different from a copied PC game (I BUY RETAIL COPIES OF MY GAMES)?

 

Perhaps this is a generational thing!  As I grew up with PC gaming I know how great they are where as, the younger generation just gets a consol in their stocking because mummy and daddy cant afford to stretch for a decent PC (just a crap laptop from DELL or something).  So, stop knocking PC gaming until you try it, and remember it will take time to get used to the WSAD config.  But again, I suppose its a generational thing, the young give up too easily…. So sad!

 

Rant over… for now!!!!!!!!!

 

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Torcflaed

in a previus MaximumPC article they reported that Microsoft experimented with linking PC and Xbox players and found that in oveerwhelming numbers the keyboard-mouse users wiped up the floor with the console players.

thier exact words, the best console players they could find against poor PC players and the PC players beat the console players repeatedly.

result Microsoft decided not to link Xbox with PC becouse they could not supply a good experiance for the console players.

the article was up a month or two ago and I may have some minor details off if anyone can find the article it would be helpfull :)

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SuperCoffee

How is motion control going to revolutionize first person shooters? It wont. I can't imagine how waving your arms around like a fool is somehow going to making gaming more fun.  Especially shooters.  Motion control is great for un-serious family gaming with 5 year olds, but for serious gaming it will be awful.  Gaming is meant to be done the same way as an other form of traditional entertainment. Sitting relaxed in/on a chair or couch.

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bingojubes

Kinect can't really scream FPS dominance, because they don't have a lightgun! using your body to mimic holding a gun is nice, but unless its something physical to hold, it might not work as well.

WII has a lightgun thing for their controller, and PS MUVE (?) has those wand things for a bow and sports equipment, so i don't see how Microsoft plans to take Kinect ABOVE pc shooting games. guess you could throw imaginary bullets, i suppose

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Danthrax66

They need to make a steam linux client so I don't have to support the bullshit coming from microsoft's mouth anymore.

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Zachary K.

you get a client when linux represents a sizable portion of the PC market. mac did it, and they got a client. until then, you have to put up with MS BS because they are in charge, and you are a small group of people who have to solve their own problems (open source, right?).

furthermore, you are not going convert people to linux with that bad attitude. you win them over with a clear, and strong argument.

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cpuking2010

Second ok you have your mouse with two buttons.. now how do you jump, stab, sprint, move, strafe.. you need a keyboard correct? my point is with the controller all of these actions can be executed with out the need for funky key setups, it's easy to remember what does what and becomes second nature to the user. Now take the keyboard for example, almost every game you play you have to learn a new control scheme. You can spend a good 10 min or so setting up so you have it the way you like it.. Now oour mind knows where all the keys are and what actions is assigned to what button. but you accidently  place your hands wrong on the keyboard and you don't look down.. now your on the wrong button.. you get fragged. with a controller there is no chance of that because when you grip it the buttons never change muscle memory tells your hands exactly where each button is.. end game it's that simple. 

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Fecal Face

It's funny beacuse my mouse has 9 buttons.

The control schemes for pretty much any FPS game are similar or the same on a PC.

Using a keyboard is second nature to any PC gamer.

There are bumps on most keyboards' F and J keys to prevent "placing your hands wrong", though I can't see how anybody would ever do that.

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Caboose

If you have a computer, then you already have a keyboard. So your first point makes no sense!

Just about every FPS I've ever played on the PC has had the following keyboard setup:

wasd - movement

r - reload

e - activate

Space - jump

ctrl - crouch/prone

shift - sprint/walk

left click - primary fire

right click -scope/meele/grenade/secondary weapon

scroll wheel - weapon change

 

That right there will get you through almost every single first person shooter. Play one with that control scheme, and you'll be set for the rest! You can then customize it based on your own preference. Looks like a pretty simple layout to me. Every button is within reach of your hand and if you know how to type, you'll be set.

Mouse + keyboard provides greatly superior accuracy, precision and speed over a controller. Movements are more fluid. Plus the response times available to a keyboard + mouse combo are leaps and bounds over that of a controller. Even a wired one.

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jacobhweeks

Okay GENIUS so why don't you explain why it is that you think that a wired controller has more latency than a wired keyboard and mouse. It seems to me that you are just spewing at the mouth.

I can agree that a mouse can move faster than a controllers analog stick, but you are only playing against other mouse users. The same goes for consoles, there is uniformity in your opponents, it all comes down to skill. It's pointless to say which is better, since both users don't frequently play against each other.

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joebob

Because all the mice I use have a fluid scroll wheel (wheel spins freely, its easier for browsing) I use the two buttions on the side for weapon select.

Also Halo 1 for PC is an excellent game. As good as halo and sequels are on the xbox, they can't beat PC halo.

 

(As a matter of fact with all this halo talk I'm feeling a little nostalgic, I think I'll install Halo PC back on and enjoy some more awesome...)

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DOOMHAMMA

Did you miss the article recently where some game scrapped the idea of letting console gamers play with PC gamers? THey even had veteran console players go against PC newbs, and the PC team still won. The Keyboard + mouse combo will always defeat controllers.

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Mighty BOB!

As I recall it was Microsoft doing testing with Shadowrun.  And as you said, the average PC players obliterated the "pro" console players, which is why there haven't been any further attempts at console/pc multiplayer FPS crossovers since.

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Trooper_One

I played MW on console and it's nothing compared to playing it on PC.

On console, most FPS feels clumsy at best while I have full control on the PC's mouse+keyboard combo.

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Slugbait

"Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console..."

I tried it at a friend's house, couldn't get decent aim, manuevering was like having untied shoelaces, etc. So I bought the non-console-exclusive version of Halo for Windows and fragged my way thru that instead...at a much higher resolution, had more maps to play, etc.

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joebob

I remember on time 2 years ago I saw halo 1 on the xbox (using an hd tv) and it looked awful, my laptop can do a better job (trust me I tried it)!

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dgrmouse

The dude in the picture has boobies.

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miscreant

That's because it's a picture of my girlfriend's tattoo... used here without attribution I might add. She can't be arsed to create an account to scold him herself, but I will.

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jacobhweeks

Those with experience with the opposite sex (or console gamers) call them women or girls!

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AkuPenguin

That's probably because it's a girl. Or they got an operation.

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Biceps

insert foot.  So, sir, how does your heel taste?

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Glycerin

Consoles are just PCs on a big budget.  That's like saying the likes of Ferrarri, Lotus, and Lamborghini are gonna go out of business because Subaru, Mazda, and Honda make cars that drive you from point A to point B way cheaper. Some people woud rather drive around in a Porsche (PC) than a Toyota (Console), because they can afford to, and the performance is better in every aspect.

Based on his comment, I must be one of those few people that play first person shooters on PC. Kinda funny, because I play first person shooters EXCLUSIVELY on PC.  I don't like Halo. I like controllers for racing games and fighting games, thats it.

Don't think your hot shit now just because you threw a few motion sensing cameras inside a piece of plastic that hooks into the Xbox.  You'll never get the precision of a mouse/keyboard combo. And which console can play music, movies, games, surf the internet, write documents and spreadsheets, install programs, and store it all on multiple hard drives? None, only PC can do that.

PC OWNS

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jacobhweeks

With PS3 and google doc's all that can be done... JUST LOOK IT UP!

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cookthejosh

I detest playing alot of games on a console. There are some games that work on a console better than a PC but not many. The PC gives you an opition on how to play a game. Either by controller or by mice and keyboard. Going to the shooter remark you can get so much more accuracy out of a mice and keyboard, along with having keys that you can create costom binds too, compared to a controller in my opinion. If the game has the option to be play on the PC it is more than likely I will be playing it on the PC not a console.

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gothliciouz

lies, lies and more lies! that's all what this is.

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cpuking2010

I refuse to play any games on my PC with out my wired 360 controller... it's the best gaming peripheral ever made, I'm sorry it just is. While i have noticed the mouse and keyboard are in fact more accurate. There just not as simple. short of buying one of those retarded looking separate numpads I CANNOT get a feel for the keyboard that allows my reactions to be responsive enough to play something like call of duty, I start out great and then later fumble around looking for the right controls. With the 360 controller you can just pick it up and go it just feels so damn right! And now thanks to you Maximum PC and your article about XPADDER in your latest issue I no longer have to play ANY PC game with out my favorite peripheral; it even works for NEED FOR SPEED WORLD. (sorry for my horrible english or any run-on sentances you may have encountered i just woke up) OH and yea fps on the pc are not dead but it cannot compare to 20million online playres that the first modern warfare seen on xbox 360.

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jnunamaker

I thought there were rules about posting advertisments....I'm just saying....

I'm not sure I understand how a controller with a ton of buttons is somehow less "simple" than a standard mouse with only two buttons....???

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Muerte

Then they should let the consoles and PC's play online together.

:)

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misha573

Then the console gamers will complain about not being able to play 'cause they get pwned every time...or that PC gamers are obviously cheating or something...they won't have much fun...there goes the profit margins...never happen...bad for business.

console controllers more responsive...phhffffttt!

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lunchbox73

I hate playing shooters on consoles. MW2 had to add that stupid auto-aim feature just to make it playable.

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jacobhweeks

Most of us don't use the feature... it's for newbs to consoles. You don't have the option in online play.

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riopato

was at first defendable. He started to make a valid point that games like Halo proved that consoles can do FPS which was an evolutionary progress since FPS were originally made for the PC that needed a keyboard and mouse. As I was reading on, he seemed to be suggesting the the new Kinect will do for the xbox 360 that the keyboard and mouse did for FPS on PC. This is true, hopefully there will be a huge selection of unique games where FPS being one of them and that will lose the same experience if played on a different system. Other than the handfull of games that are coming out during launch, the full potential of kinect is so unknown that it will mean a huge learning curve mostly for the developers. When will that adventure game come out that not only does head tracking but track the entire body. That racing game that involves being able to look around the interior of your car in real time. Or that FPS that uses hand signals to "control" your squad member to flank the enemy.

Kudos's comment was engaging and then crap comes out of his mouth that makes him an idiot. He's the guy responsible for Kinect? Does his ignorance effect the way new exciting gameplay will be developed for Kinect? I mean if this moron doesn't know his audience how the hell is he developing a device worth getting? This comment does not make Kinect a desirable device to get!

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nmanguy

I'd much sooner get a Novint Falcon than a 360 with a Kinect.

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stradric

Tsunoda's comment is definitely ridiculous.  You always have to take these outrageous comments with a grain of salt.  Chances are it's a PR stunt to get Kinect in the news or even get people to think about the possibility of the Kinect to enhance the shooter mechanic on the console.  He's clearly not being intellectually honest.  Portal is the best example I can think of -- forget Halo and Modern Warfare.  Portal is a frustrating experience on a console.

And in order for a shooter to be fun with Kinect, you would need a gun controller with an analog stick for movement.  I find that the analog stick is far superior than [shift+]W,A,S,D for movement almost to the point that the advantage of mouse-aiming is canceled out.  Almost.  At the very least, the console controller is more ergonomic.  A few hours of FPS on my PC leaves my carpal tunnel swollen.

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Ashton2091

Halo was the exception. I mean, how many fps are that successful (other than MW2) on console? lets be real here. If everyone made a fps on console with mechanics as good as halo...then maybe it may begin to catch up. I can't even seem to enjoy Modern Warfare 2 on console.

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Caboose

Goldeneye on the N64

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Ashton2091

Oh yeah! How did I forget about that one? Super great classic. Glad it's returning. Hope they don't screw it up. Lately though, there hasn't been many at all. 

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Caboose

And another console monkey tries to tell the ever expanding PC Gaming indutry that they are dead and gone!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some FPS to play on my PC

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chronium

I love that tattoo.

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Zachary K.

why does everyone want to declare PC gaming dead? PC gaming is very much alive now, and will be into the future. declaring the death of PC gaming just makes you look arrogant.

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I Jedi

I wouldn't say that anyone who claims PC gaming as dead is arrogant, but rather ignortant, here is why. First, everyone here knows that PC gaming is going very strong, and will continue to do so for a long time. Sure, we may see a decline in PC gaming, but historically, every time there has been a decline, PC gaming has eventually climbed right back up the ladder. The reason, I think, for why these bold statements are made from these company spokesman is to booster the sales of console games. Think about it, on a console you're practically in control. The users are locked into one pre-configured hardware system, piracy is almost non-existent (though its becoming easier to burn console games), and gaming studios can more easily sell DLC, avatars, etc, to the consumers of said consoles. Why, in god's name, would any gaming publisher not want to dig their hands into this gaming realm? It's profitable.

No, my friend, when these company spokesman say what they say about the death of PC gaming, they're really alienating a very huge market, that could result in more profit, if it is done right. That, sir, is why they are ignorant. They refuse to find ways to treat PC gaming differently, so they give up on it, and go over to the consoles.

Also, how many more times must we see the same articles about the death of PC gaming, but only garbeled differently each time? Come on, Paul Lilly, from one PC gamer to another, don't give them the benefit of spreading a false rumor around. We know the truth, and the DAMNED TRUTH IS THAT PC GAMING IS ALIVE. F*ck all haters!

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