Karmic Koala Causes Anger and Frustration amongst Early Adopters

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PepeLapiu

>>> According to a poll on Ubuntuforums.org, more than one-third of about
>>> 1,500 people polled so far have encountered some major flaws.

No shit Einstein, that would be like saying "the majority of prison dwellers polled are criminals"

 When you have a problem with Ubuntu, you go to their forum, that's what those forums are for. The other millions of people who did not have any install issues do not go there.
MaximumPC just went OUT OF THEIR WAY to poll only those who have issues and deliberately ignored anyone who do not have any problems.That's like saying "the people in that prison are criminals, therefore the people of the entire village are all criminals. MaximumPC just lost it's credibility there.

Shame on you!!!

 

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Tankerdog2002

I think the hype is over-blown.

I have not been a Linux user for very long. However, we made the
switch over to Ubuntu for home and office and have had no problems.

I've upgraded an old notebook with no problems. I've done freash
installs of Karmic on every workstation (HP, Dell) and on all the
sales people's notebooks. (HP, MALIBAL, & Asus) No problems with
anything.

I've used Microsoft since Moby Dick was a minnow, but not any
longer. We grew weary of all the bugs, patches, and downtime. We also
grew frustrated with Microsoft not really improving anything. It
walks and 'quacks a bit different but there's really not much that's
changed; except confusion, changing buttons, and moving locations of
the applications. Once you find your way around you realize that the
Apps work the same way.....networking is the same....Office works the
same as it did years ago....and Redmond will never stop making those 
"it won't do anything better" changes just to keep charging
us more money. ('Gotta keep those shareholders happy 'ya know.) We're
sick of being nickeled and dimed to death for nothing but headaches.

We've had no problems with Ubuntu. Everything we did with
Microsoft we are doing with Karmic.....Accounting, vector graphics,
GIS, programming, and more.  The best part is that our employees
actually work with their PC's instead of "working on repairing"
their PC's.

I have to say that I for one am very pleased with Ubuntu 9.10.
There was a small learning curve for our employees but nothing
earth-shattering. A few old timers still have a few quirks but most
workers are chugging along just fine with Karmic.

I've read that some people are having problems with Karmic; but so
are people installing other new OS releases as well.

Tank

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nsk chaos

meh laptop freezes every single time....1.4GHZ Centrino and a half-gig of RAM

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1337Goose

Yeah I had problems with 9.10 ... I liked 9.04 better, but my problems weren't major enough for a regression or anything... 

~Goose

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bjoswald

I don't want or need Windows 7 so I'm using Ubuntu 9.10. I did a 'clean' install and everything works great.

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mesiah

HA! take that Linux fanboys!

I kid I kid :)

But seriously, for everyone that talks about how great and problem free linux is, this illustrates why its still not ready for mainstream. It has been my experience that there is far less testing done on linux packages before they are released compared to windows or mac os. The catch is, the linux community as a whole are supposed to help find and fix the bugs. The average linux user is supposed to know how to work around minor setbacks like driver compatibility. But joe shmoe and grandma need their stuff to work out of the box on the first try. While linux has come a long way from fidling with the command prompt and searching for working drivers, its still not quite there. Until then I can't recommend it to the average person looking for an OS.

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PepeLapiu

>> But seriously, for everyone that talks about how great and problem
>> free linux is, this illustrates why its still not ready for mainstream.

You have to be completely blind to think 7 is problems free. - did you ever consider running it without an anti-virus, ad-aware or S&D ? I have been using Linux for 3 years and I have yet to install any of that security and privacy protection crap, Linux users don't need that stuff, a firewall is all we need. Furthermore, it's been 3 years since I have seen any of those infamous blue screens.

>> this illustrates why its still not ready for mainstream

 Where were you during the Vista years? Would Vista illustrate that windoze is still not ready for mainstream? Go update your anti-virus windoze fanboy!! 

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MeTo

Try a little reading here if you think Windows 7 is problem,bug free. http://www.sevenforums.com/

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sybert

I've been running 9.10 for a couple days and it's been without a hitch; all devices were automatically picked up with out a wait, with the exception of my video card. For that I had to click a button and wait a minute while Ubuntu installed drivers for my 4870, and now I'm running lots of eyecandy with compiz and no problems. All of my updates went smoothly.

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etsugua

I installed win 7 and ubuntu 9.1 on the same day on the same machine and had zero problems with either.  I was a little surprised to hear there were any issues with ubuntu.  The simularities between the two os's is actually kinda amusing for me except for the part where i paid $100 for one and nothing for the other.  Now why did I do that again?  oh, that's right -- games don't work in linux! And this is the part where I could go on a rant on how game companies drank the DirectX cool-aid but I digress...

 

That said, Windows still is and probably always will be slicker than linux IMHO.   Ubuntu has closed that gap conciderably but it's still there.  My heart weeps...

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holmessh

I installed kubuntu.  Lots more eye candy!  I also have Windows 7 on the same PC (different hard drives).  To be honest, they both look slick!  I love Kubuntu AND Windows 7.  I know, I know- heresy!!

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gendoikari1

My laptop with Xubuntu seems to be running 9.10 (upgraded from 9.04) flawlessly, and I don't really care about the 2.6.31 kernel install (I already have the 2.6.31.4 kernel, yet the 2.6.31 installed perfectly anyway). 

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Pillsbury

Wouldn't it suck hard if you paid hundreds of dollars for a brand new operating system and had problems with it.  Thank God Microsoft always puts out quality products and saves us from the headaches.

 

I've installed the Xubuntu variant on some older PCs without a problem.  Even an old proprietary Dell worked.

 

I guess what I'm getting at is... you get what you pay for and sometimes you pay for a pile of crap.

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COMMANDER_COOK

We've got another spammer here, MPC. Smells a lot like 'dudemalls2001'.

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jrocknyc

upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 over the weekend, and the two bars of wifi connectivity i had been barely getting shot down to zero, so i ended up reinstalling 9.04 from scratch.

meanwhile, Win7 is aces. :)

 

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arch20002013

I have had all versions of ubuntu on my laptop since 6.04.  when this came out I was excited as I just purchased windows 7 the week before.  I tried to install it on my laptop with a clean install (which should be done to begin with) and the system never came back up after I restarted.  The GRUB menu was corrupt or something because it would say no system device found.  I gave up on it and installed XP.  On my desktop I had windows 7 installed and wanted this as well.  I added another hard drive to my system and installed Ubuntu on it.  Worked perfectly!  Nothing special to do with the boot loader either.  It recgonized Windows 7 and added it to GRUB.  Maybe its because my laptop is a dell d600, but I dont know.  Will try it again in a few weeks and hopefully it will work.

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Lord Omega

So far, I have had few if any issues with 9.10. ATM the only issue I had was with my video drivers (got the latest ones and tried to install them but they didn't work) but that was easily fixed by just using EnvyNG.

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Lord Omega

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fry

I installed the KDE-based variant of 9.10 on my Thinkpad T61, and it's working fine. All hardware working correctly, and connecting to my wireless network was almost as easy as Windows 7.

Granted, things can go badly awry with Linux if you find yourself with hardware that isn't suppported by built-in drivers, but that's why Ubuntu and the other major distros allow you to boot a "Live CD" without actually installing anything. Try it out before you take the plunge.

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sanravel

That's impossible. Linux and especially Ubuntu is the end all and be all of OS's. Linux would never never have issues with drivers.

My Windows 7 64 bit install last week was awful. It took an agonizing 27 minutes to install and unfortunately didn't require that I spend time searching for new drivers and software patches, and it setup my home network automatically, recognizing my other computers and depriving me of the chance to spend time making connections and reading manuals. Curse you MS.

 I guess I should dig the old Mandriva box out of the basement, so I can spend some quality time with the command line.

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lien_meat

You sir, are being an ass.

We all know win7 is good, nobody is saying different.  Everyone knows that every OS has driver issues occasionally...win7 64bit doesn't work with my wireless card for instance, however ubuntu does.  My video card has a better driver in win7 than it does in ubuntu....but my trackpad works better in ubuntu than win7...and in 64bit win7, I can't use side scrolling...

Don't be so outrageously derogatory...its not cool.
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sanravel

Hee Haw! Hee Haw!

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Cage

Truth is in in the eye of the beholder.

I've never had driver problems with Windows 7 even through the Beta and Release Candidate phases.

EDIT: Lil ol dumb me had missed the sarcasm xD

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lien_meat

This statistic about the poll is very misleading.  People generally don't visit ubuntuforums unless they have a problem, which is where they would find the poll.  That means that tons of people NOT having problems have no idea the poll exists (me for example before reading this).  I don't know, I've been using it since apha6(which had huge issues) but the beta and RC's fixed all the issues I was having.  One of my friends that ALWAYS seems to encounter showstopper bugs with new ubuntu releases told me that it's worked flawlessly for him, on his netbook.  I'm not gonna say nobody is having issues, cause that would be just stupid, but this article is completely misleading.  Also, you will notice that at the end of the article the showstopper bugs are almost exclusively apearing on netbooks...so not exactly even a majority of ubuntu users. Laptop users are reporting minor bugs.  Just wanted to put this article into the proper perspective for people who aren't gonna read the full article...
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holmessh

I didn't know such a pole existed either.  I installed ubuntu 9.10 (fresh install) and then did a fresh install of kubuntu.  Both worked great!  Windows 7 RC- worked great!  Love them both.

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