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sundropdrinker3

Why don't you look up your information before you spout your drivel? Move to another country since you don't believe ANYTHING except what you want to believe. Also, global warming is a proven hoax, perpetuated by liberals like you. The ones that were driving it, however, were doing it for power and control, not for any "noble" act. And THAT is a fact. You are always bitching about how everything isn't free, yet NOTHING is free. SOMEBODY pays for whatever service you get for free. Grow up and stop acting like an entitled child.

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Holly Golightly

Gosh, I hope you are not as ignorant in real life as you are on this website. Sea levels are rising, not because water is magically creating itself. It is because the ice caps are melting into water. With higher sea levels, you lose your favorite capitalistic cities like New York City, Miami, and just about any city located in front of water. Sigh, global warming is real. Just look at the CFC products you use. Heck, read the emissions chart for yourself. Nature does not just magically creat holes in its ozone layer. Of course, we have the technology to fix it... It is just that it costs so much money, that no government or citizen is willing to pay to save the world. That is capitalism for you. Of course, you should already know that capitalism is self-destructive.

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KenLV

Don't waste your time trying to prove anything to her.  She lives in Fantasy land.  When she first started trolling here, she forgot the golden rule of trolling: don't use your real name or post links to your pages.  LAWL  Here's who you are trying to debate: http://www.myspace.com/veronicanightmare

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Holly Golightly

Do you REALLY think I would ever give out my name? Do you really really believe somebody would go by the last name of Nightmare? Think again little dude!

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KenLV

Yes, I “REALLY” do KNOW you are that foolish.  And no, I don’t believe it’s Nightmare, you said it was Toro. You did it again when you thought you were so smart on the "Real names online" article a few months back.  Oh, here’s her twitter link…

http://twitter.com/#!/torov64

This of course is made all the funnier by the fact that you constantly rail against the perceived violations to your privacy in the technological world that you love to hate.  But then you go and do something so stupid and expose yourself to the people you are trolling.

Accept what the rest of us already know: you are a troll and clueless as to how the world works and you've been outed as a fraud.

Now, go “occupy” your parents’ basement - which is where you will end up when you can't get any more student loans and have to start paying your own way.

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Holly Golightly

Got your thumb stuck up your ass a little???

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Engelsstaub

Nice MySpace. If that's not you it is someone who sure sounds exactly like you. Dell sucks hard. I can't believe you have all this time to bash people who buy a MacBook Pro but you would blog about how Dell is a great company. 

I will never deal with Dell again and I have an Alienware.

You do realize that Mother Russki is no longeer a socialist republic, right? ;)

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Holly Golightly

You know... You look like a fag, right?

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Engelsstaub

I'm crushed. Not even sure if I'll sleep at all tonight.

"Fag" is a term that vegan communists who believe in equality throw around nowdays? Is there anyone you don't hate?

Meanwhile...somebody's profile just got switched to "viewable only by friends."

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Holly Golightly

What did you think was going to happen when you talk about me?????????????? 

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Engelsstaub

Just doesn't seem too fitting of a Jewish girl to throw around terms of bigotry and hatred. 

I said nothing of your appearance, positive or negative. I could care less if you find a 100x100 pixel of my face from four years ago attractive. Makes no difference to me.

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Holly Golightly

You know, when you paint people as the enemy, often is not, they will live up to that very image. We should behave more like a community and less like war. You, KenLV, and Black Panther are always bothering me, and then talking about my personal life and so on and so forth. Leave my heritage and lifestyle out of this, and maybe I wont take things to another degree. I am a communist, and I want what's best for the people, but I can also be really nasty. If you do not like what I initally post, then just don't reply. Notice how most of these arguements happen when somebody replies to what I originally post? I hardly ever reply to anybody else's post. But you guys always have to reply to mine. Live and let live!

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KenLV

“…when you paint people as the enemy…”

Which is what you do every time you post.

“…but I can also be really nasty.”

You mean calling people racists, Nazis, fascists, fag, pervert, etc… is you being NICE??

“But you guys always have to reply to mine.”

Why in the world would anyone let you spew your pro-communist bullshit here WITHOUT it being challenged?  You act as if we are the ones who keep trying to bring that crap into every thread on which you post, when in reality, you can’t complain about anything without trying to link it to “evil capitalism”.

“Live and let live!”

Ah, but that’s the thing, people like you aren’t interested in that – letting OTHERS live as THEY choose.  You want to be GIVEN what others have EARNED because they earned it through capitalistic means.  It doesn’t matter to you that they worked hard to EARN it, you think that the ENTIRE system is corrupt and therefore must be completely dismantled and ANYONE who benefitted from it must be punished.  You believe that we enslave others through free markets and capitalism.  Never mind the fact that you can ONLY have personal freedom when you have economic freedom. And if we won’t willingly give it to you, you want the government to take it from us and THEN have THEM give it to you.  My lord, you are too lazy to even steal it for yourself!

So no dear, as I’ve said to you on numerous occasions, when people like you begin dumping your pro-communist feces all over the place, people like me WILL challenge you on what you say.  Then, all we have to do is sit back and watch you flail about in the giant vat of your own ignorance.  While you strain your brain, only to realize that your positions are indefensible, we have fun watching the show.  Thanks!

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Holly Golightly

Problem is, old people like you fear progression. It is old people like you who make congress so divided up against real progressive changes. Communism is the way. This is why America voted Socialist. So what we will do is tax you politely and give to the needy. You starve your poor, you will become a bloody victim. Keep your poor (soldiers) happy, and they may not rule you under a rifle. Democracy for all!

Capitalism was a wonderful think back in the 1950s. Factor workers can afford their own family home, and farmers could afford many acres of land. But times have changed since the 1950s. Now, in the 2010s, new executives can not afford to pay up their college debt. People who work in non-corporate jobs can not even pay rent, and have been locked out due to faulty mortages from evil banks. Then the greedy gave these large banks such massive bailouts, which failed miserably. Banks want to take our homes away, and worst off, WallStreet is taking over Washington DC. When does the greed end little boy? 

We need to help others. Encouraging people to steal is wrong. It is against the Holy Bible! The Bible says nothing wrong with charging taxes against the rich. Afterall, the kings of Europe did it all the time. I am trying to let the poor live. As the old saying you copied and pasted "live and let live" well, let them live without dying. Feed them before they die. People deserve to get everything free. But if you like greed, then you will be taxed fairly while we smile and still win. However, in communism, you win too. You will never have to pay taxes ever again. But since you love paying taxes, I guess we are okay with socialism. Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!

Greed is the enemy. Since capitalism is structured by bureaucratic greed, only the top 1% of the world has a chance while everyone else suffers. Therefore, this proves that capitalism is self-destructive. Facts...

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avenger48

I'll respond to this one.  I am 18, so hardly an "old person".  I do not fear progression, or communism, I fear what will actually happen.  Communism (proper, Marxist communism) has never succeeded.  The problem is the transitional government, and motivation.  The transitional government becomes permanent, and is basically a glorified dictatorship.  This is what happened in the USSR, China, N. Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, Albania, and many other communist countries.  So don't tell me we'd be better off, tell the 2.5 million people who died in Pol Pot's Cambodian Ethnic Cleansing, or the millions who died mining Siberian salt for daring to speak against the Motherland.  Stalin killed more people than Hitler, that is a fact.  As a Jew, I highly doubt you hold Hitler in high regard, so why do you support the policies that erected Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Ceausescu, Mao Zedong, Kim Il Sung, and Mengistu to office?

The other problem is motivation.  Without money, workers have no reason to work.  What everyone learned is that no one works for the good of the collective, they all work for themselves.  Since they could not use money to motivate, communist dictatorships became incredibly harsh.  For example, as you grew up, you were told that you would be a street sweeper.  Don't want to?  Too bad, you sweep or you die.  That's why there are so many genocides.  The only reason China is working right now is because they have a free-market system, more or less.  They hide it very well, but they do.  Aside from China, would you trade your life right now with the average Cuban?  What about the average North Korean?  Nothing has changed since the 1950's that will make communism work

So no, communism is not the answer.  It does not work, it has never worked, and it will never work.  It is as simple as that, and anything else is simply clouding that fact.  Capitalism is not a nice system, and it is not a fair system, but it is the only system that consistently works, and it is the only one that does not dissolve into dictatorship.

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Holly Golightly

All regimes transform in time. Capitalism escilates to totalitarianism... Which is what we are experiencing right now! Look at how FaceBook sells your privacy for a few dollars. Watch how Google target ads to your IP address. Look at how all those businesses have cameras recording your every move as their computers record your credit card transactions... You know, to sell you better products. We are not experiencing the same capitalism that was from the 1950s. Back in the 50s, farmers could afford acres of land while factory workers started families in the suburbs of Long Island. People could easily buy houses back then. That method of capitalism is dead thanks to greed. Bosses want to hire Indians to do your customer service while they import cheap Chinese products and charge you premium prices. Then some of the assembly line jobs go to Mexico as well. That means the money is going one way. To the pockets of that CEO with all the connections while young, hardworking people like you and I have nothing left to do but occupy Wall Street. Capitalism is self-destructive by greed. Nothing lasts forever. Just look at the Roman Empire. 300 years and just like that. USA has been using capitalism for 300 years... To be honest with you... Unless the young people get something like a job, money, or free housing... People are going to go mad and cause a very nasty (bloody) revolution like Libya.

Capitalism allows for 1 company to take over an entire industry. Big monopolies. Without socialist regulations like the FCC, we would probably buy Walmart products exclusively. Capitalism can get out of hand. Look at how Capitalism is starving a super majority of Russia right now. They have more billionaires in Moscow than they do in New York. Yet a doctor's salary over there is only the equivalent of $150 a month. The gap between rich and poor is too huge, and this is what we are beginning to experience right here. Prices keep going up, and salaries are not keeping up. When will the greed stop? The wealth needs to be redistributed. We need to start off fresh. Communism by the books is a fresh start. If any country can follow communism by the books, it is USA. All we need to do is redistribute our natural resources. What do I mean by that? I mean nationalize oil, gold, and other minerals. Do you know foreign companies pump our oil, and then sell our own oil at premium prices we can not afford. And then that money you used to pay for your oil goes to a foreign land. Where the Europeans sit on piles of your hard earned cash while you run out of gas. They get richer, and we get poorer. Some people never learn, this is why it is justice to put greedy people like KenLV in the salt mines. This is why we have re-education programs and gulags... To set a sample of these people. Greed is not only wrong, but it is evil. 

Would you rather be one of those homeless protestors down in Wall Street, or would you like to see the Wall Street fat-cats get what they deserve? They take our money, get big tax breaks, and then outsource our jobs. Sure, some people are lucky they even have a job, but eventually they too will get outsourced. It is just cheaper for the CEO and his share holders while they smoke their fat cubans without a care for our great nation. We need communism. We can be more like China, where people get paid for their work, but they get free education, free housing, free healthcare coverage, and utilities. Just imagine... A change we can all relate to?

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avenger48

"Capitalism escilates to totalitarianism... Which is what we are experiencing right now!"

Yes, it is, but not in the way you think.  You see, toatlitarianism is a governmental thing, no company has ever been totalitarian.  What do you think these czars and supercomittees put in place by Obama are?  Steps toward totalitarianism, not communism.  The only difference between communism and totalitarianism is what the government does with its power.  Both have totalitarian governments.

"Look at how FaceBook sells your privacy for a few dollars. Watch how Google target ads to your IP address. Look at how all those businesses have cameras recording your every move as their computers record your credit card transactions... You know, to sell you better products."

Actually, that's got nothing to do with totalitarianism.  That is companies with monopolies using them.  The problem is, this wouldn't be anny better in a communist system, it would just be the government doing all of those things.  The difference is, the government is much more powerful than any of these corporations, massive though they are.  I would go so far as to say this: If you don't like companies that do that, don't use their products or services.  No one is forcing you to search with google, connect with facebook, or shop at those stores with a credit card (or at all).  The beauty of capitalism is, unlike commmunism, you have a choice.

" We are not experiencing the same capitalism that was from the 1950s. Back in the 50s, farmers could afford acres of land while factory workers started families in the suburbs of Long Island. People could easily buy houses back then."

Farmers still have acres of land.  The U.S makes something like two thirds of the world's food.  You would know this if you ever left New York City.  As far as the homes, you can still easily buy a home.  There are plenty of homes available in places which aren't major cities for $150-$200k.  That's the American Dream for $600/month, including 8% intrest.  Hardly ridiculous.

"That method of capitalism is dead thanks to greed."

On the part of the govenment, actually.

"Bosses want to hire Indians to do your customer service while they import cheap Chinese products and charge you premium prices. Then some of the assembly line jobs go to Mexico as well."

Those jobs are going there because of absurdly high corporate taxes, which are used to fund, among other things, programs like welfare and medicaid.  There's the redistribution Carl Marx wanted.

"That means the money is going one way. To the pockets of that CEO with all the connections while young, hardworking people like you and I have nothing left to do but occupy Wall Street."

That CEO got there through hard work.  Wall street is a very strange place to occupy, because they are one of the few places that haven't outsourced.  If you are mad for the reasons you claim, show them up by working hard and becoming one of them, and then doing what you think is right.

"Capitalism is self-destructive by greed."

Actually, no, capitalism is fuelled by greed.  Greed makes people want more money, making them work.  CCommunism, on the other hand, is fuelled by fear.  Fear is not better than greed, and it lowers the quality of life of the average worker significantly.

"Nothing lasts forever."

A platitude.

"Just look at the Roman Empire. 300 years and just like that."

The Roman Empire collapsed because Julius Caesar marched into Rome with 5,000 elite soldiers.

"USA has been using capitalism for 300 years"

The U.S has only been around for 235 years...

"To be honest with you... Unless the young people get something like a job, money, or free housing..."

Jobs are being stifled because of the current state of the economy and the existing uncertainty.  The same thing happened during the Great Depression, and we bounced back from that.  The only difference here is we don't have World War 2 to fix the economy.  Money comes with those jobs.  There is no free lunch, the houses have to be paid for somehow.  The government can't just poof them into existence.

"People are going to go mad and cause a very nasty (bloody) revolution like Libya."

Like Libya?  Libya was ruled by a totalitarian dictatorship, and did not have capitalism or a republic.  Your metaphor is bad, and, forgive me, but I'm fairly certain the Occupy Wall Street movement doesn't have the chops for a revolution.

"Capitalism allows for 1 company to take over an entire industry. Big monopolies."

Communism REQUIRES the government to take over EVERY industry.  That's a lot bigger than one monopoly.

"Without socialist regulations like the FCC, we would probably buy Walmart products exclusively."

1. Socialism is not the same as antitrust.  If anything, antitrust forces pure capitalism.

2. I highly doubt the Federal Communications Commission has anything to do with Walmart.  Did you perhaps mean the DOJ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_Division_of_the_U.S._Department_of_Justice

3.  No, walmart will never take over everything.  What about Target?  This has nothing to do with Trusts.

"Capitalism can get out of hand."

Spoken like a true Marxist.

"Look at how Capitalism is starving a super majority of Russia right now."

I'm deeply confused.  A google search turned up nothing either.  Are you convently making things up?

"They have more billionaires in Moscow than they do in New York."

I'm not sure about New York, but the US has four times as many billionaires as Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_US_dollar_billionaires

"Yet a doctor's salary over there is only the equivalent of $150 a month."

The Russian system is very similar to the one Obama put in here.  Thanks for the prophetic vision.  Beyond that, I have no idea where you got that figure.  For one thing, it is completely wrong.  In Moscow, the average doctor earned the equivalent of $1,270 USD per month last year.  Across the rest of Russia, it was about half that.  Because of their socalized medical system, doctors are one of the ten lowest paid careers in Russia.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20110601/164360247.html

"The gap between rich and poor is too huge, and this is what we are beginning to experience right here."

I disagree.

"Prices keep going up, and salaries are not keeping up."

Prices are going up because the dollar is worth so little, because of our debt.  We have the debt because of the wars and the various socialist programs and nationalizations we have done over the last decade.  The reason salaries are not increasing is because raw materials are also getting more expensive.

"When will the greed stop?"

Hopefully never, or else our system is doomed.

"The wealth needs to be redistributed."

We are.  That's the problem.  If we weren't, taxes would be lower, there would be more jobs, and the economy would have rebounded.

"We need to start off fresh. Communism by the books is a fresh start."

Newer isn't always better, especially when newer has failed everywhere it's been tried, including China (who was forced to switch to a hybrid system integrating many capitalist principles).  

" If any country can follow communism by the books, it is USA."

No country can.  That's the problem.  Greed kills communism, since no one wants to work (why work if everything is handed to you regardless).  Greedy interim governments seize power and don't transition like they should.  This leads to totalitarianism EVERY SINGLE TIME.

"All we need to do is redistribute our natural resources."

What could you possibly mean by that?! (/sarcasm)

"What do I mean by that? I mean nationalize oil, gold, and other minerals."

Right.  Because governments always produce everything and distribute it perfectly fairly and eith incredible efficiency. (/sarcasm)

"Do you know foreign companies pump our oil, and then sell our own oil at premium prices we can not afford."

Yes.  Did you know that the USSR's gasoline was incredibly terrible and included things like leaves and twigs?  Also, I don't give a flying fuck WHO got it out of the ground.  They bought the ground, they harvested the oil, they can sell it if they want.  Same with cars, gold, and anytrhing else.  If you produce the good, you should be able to sell it, regardless of who you are or where you came from.  That's why they call it a FREE market.

"And then that money you used to pay for your oil goes to a foreign land."

Since they bought the land (something you can do in a capitalist system), harvested the oil, refined it, transported it, and built a station with pumps that allow me to put it in my car (in other words, they did all the work), they deserve all of the profits.  It really is that simple, and if you want a cut, you should WORK FOR IT.

"Where the Europeans sit on piles of your hard earned cash while you run out of gas."

The US companies charge just as much.  I don't care who sits on my cash, I paid the fair market value for patroleum, constitutiong a mutually agreed-upon transaction.  That is one of many transactions taking place for many goods.  This, collectively, makes up something called a market.  It's really very simple.

"They get richer, and we get poorer."

Ok, and?  Whoever does the work deserves the reward.  It's a simple idea.

"Some people never learn, this is why it is justice to put greedy people like KenLV in the salt mines. "

1. Who the hell is KenLV? Once again, a google search turned up nothing.

2. No, it's not just to punish someone for working hard with the expectation of a reward.  That's fair, far more fair than any communist or socialist system.

"This is why we have re-education programs and gulags... To set a sample of these people. Greed is not only wrong, but it is evil. "

Greed is neither wrong nor evil.  Greed is human nature.  Capitalism is darwinism, survival of the fittest.  If you're not willing to work, you don't deserve to be rewarded.  To put someone in a gulag for free market capitalism is not only unjust, but downright evil.  A gulag is basically a concentration camp, which makes you about the same as Adolf Hitler.  Enjoy that thought.

"Would you rather be one of those homeless protestors down in Wall Street, or would you like to see the Wall Street fat-cats get what they deserve?"

I'd like option three, to work my ass of to be successful.  That's how capitalism works.

"They take our money, "

Don't buy from them.

"get big tax breaks,"

Taxes are too high as it is.

"and then outsource our jobs"

Because of said high taxes.

"Sure, some people are lucky they even have a job, but eventually they too will get outsourced"

Wow, that's incredibly depressing.  What the fuck are they teaching you up in new york?  In any case, you can't outsource everything.  We are mainly a service economy now, and there are plenty of things which cannot be outsourced.

"It is just cheaper for the CEO and his share holders while they smoke their fat cubans without a care for our great nation."

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"We need communism."

No, we really don't.

"We can be more like China,"

Chinese citizens produce approximately $4,382 USD each, per year.  US Citizens produce approximately $47,000 USD each, per year.  So no, that's not a good thing.  Also, for your reference, China's economy was ghastly until the 1978 reforms, which added (gasp) CAPITALISM!!! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform

"where people get paid for their work"

I'm confused.  You've been bashing that idea for this whole post, until now.

"but they get free education"

We have that here.

"free housing"

China doesn't provide free housing.  They do provide cheap housing, but that's the same as Rent Control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing#Mainland_China

" free healthcare coverage"

Obama claims we already have that.

"and utilities. Just imagine... A change we can all relate to?"

So, just sacrifice all of your rights and freedoms for some power and water, is that it?

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Holly Golightly

Dude, you got your facts all wrong. USA does not produce 2/3 of the food. They CONSUME 2/3 of the WORLD'S food. That is right. You got people in Mexico, Chile, and the rest of South America starving to give you the Happy Meal you so desire.

With capitalism... There is no choice. You either get hired and pay your debt, or resort to a life of crime and poverty.

The beauty about communism is that if you do not have a home, we give you one. If you do not have a job, we will give you one. Communism is about working together. Capitalism is about greed. Come on, I thought you knew better???

If you do not believe the gap between rich and poor is not big enough... Apparently you got your head stuck in Nixon's arse. Okay... Where to start. The top 1% produces 42% of the nations wealth. That means the bottom 80% only produces 7% of this "great" nation's wealth. Can you believe that? If you do not believe me, here are a few references.

http://www.mybudget360.com/top-1-percent-control-42-percent-of-financial-wealth-in-the-us-how-average-americans-are-lured-into-debt-servitude-by-promises-of-mega-wealth/

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Letter-The-1-percent-control-wealth-2257228.php

It is a shame greed has blinded you to. Tell me... Are you a Have or a Have Not? I am pretty sure I am not talking to a one percenter here... That is for sure. Of course, greed is wrong. The Bible tells us we should share with our fellow man.

You look like a fellow New Yorker. Why wont you visit Rockerfeller Center and count just how many homeless people are sleeping just in that exclusive zip code alone.

So I guess you are okay with losing jobs... Oookay. Your views are clearly focused on the top 1% no doubt. Yet... You are not. How blind are you? People in America NEED jobs! If they can not get jobs, they are going to be homeless... But what do you care. As long as you have an iPad in your big comfy couch, nothing else seems to even matter. 

Capitalism in Russia has shown us that greed can get out of control so fast that a doctor's salary is only 4,500 rubles which equals to only $150. Yet they have exactly 43 billionaires in the center of Moscow. See how greed gets out of hand? Tell me, when will it ever stop? Do you like seeing the middle class suffer? Do you like seeing your working class jobless? Do you even care that YOU can get a job?

Communism is not driven by fear. You need to finish reading your high school history textbooks. You have much to learn. All I have to say is DuBois, Marx, and Martineau. Read them up... If you want to ace your history exam.

Wow, how pathetic. Salaries are not catching up because of raw materials... Wow... Simply wow. What are they teaching you in that high school of yours? Perhaps this is a perfect example on why we need to add more dollars on education system and less on our military.

You can't blame socialism for the war. Your capitalist hero George W and his fellow white man just want to kill brown Muslims so they can siphon oil to power up your redneck truck.

We have to get more taxes from the greedy. Otherwise they would put 100% of their salaries into their Swiss accounts. Remember, if you want peace, feed your people. If you starve your less fortunate ones, things would only get worst. Of course, you do not care. As long as you have your bucket of fried chicken... Nobody else really matters. Shame. I do not know how a young person like yourself can be so greedy.

One day, the poor will nationalize all of your banks and all of your oil. You will have no where else to run but Dubai. We do not care about you. Equality for all people. It does not matter what you inherit, what color of your skin is. Under capitalism, there is no equality because the heart of capitalism is Classism. 

You are young. You live home with your mama. You do not pay bills or file taxes. You do not understand what it is like to not get a job and choke on bills. You will grow up and mature mentally. Soon you will see that the future is progressive. Republicans are failing and minorities are going to become the next majority. You will be speaking my words soon enough. Watch...

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avenger48

"Dude, you got your facts all wrong. USA does not produce 2/3 of the food."

Ok, I'll admit, that was a guess.  Still, you ever heard of Kansas?  Nebraska?  Idaho?  These are all heavy agriculture states, and the US is still in the top 3 in world production of many things, including wheat and soybeans.

http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/topproduction.html?lang=en&country=231&year=2005

"They CONSUME 2/3 of the WORLD'S food."

I doubt 2/3.  Regardless, we are by far the largest first world country on earth in terms of population, so I wouldn't be surprised if we consume large amounts.  The thing is, it really doesn't matter.  Also, don't you mean WE?

"You got people in Mexico, Chile, and the rest of South America starving to give you the Happy Meal you so desire."

And what do you think has made us such a profitable and influential player on the world market?  Capitalism.

"With capitalism... There is no choice. You either get hired and pay your debt, or resort to a life of crime and poverty."

Thankfully, it's not too difficult to be hired if you're not picky.  Last summer, I had three job offers, all above minimum wage. This is with nothing but a public high school diploma.

"The beauty about communism is that if you do not have a home, we give you one."

Do I need to trot out the proof again?  China doesn't give away homes and most cubans live in shacks.

"If you do not have a job, we will give you one."

And pay you what we want, because we are the government.  And if you don't like it or take it, we send you to siberia, where you work for a (third world) prisoner's ration.

"Communism is about working together. "

Except that people aren't motivated by the good of the collective, so they are forced to work with threats and demonstrations of violence.

"Come on, I thought you knew better???"

I'm coming to the realization that you don't.

"If you do not believe the gap between rich and poor is not big enough"

I believe that you should not begrudge others what they have worked for.  The thing about capitalism is you can become rich by working hard.  Want an example?  One of my professors was a poor, black (it unfortunately is still relevant) kid from rural Alabama.  He does not have a PhD.  The reason he is allowed to teach is because he was (in 2002) CFO of General Motors. He got there by starting at the bottom and working his way up.

"Apparently you got your head stuck in Nixon's arse."

Why are you so obsessed with Nixon?  He wasn't even a conservative.

"Okay... Where to start."

Good question.

"The top 1% produces 42% of the nations wealth."

Ok, so?

"That means the bottom 80% only produces 7% of this "great" nation's wealth."

1. We are a great nation, the greatest on earth.  That's as measured by almost any benchmark.  If you don't believe that, go somewhere else, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

2. What is your point, exactly?  Seeing the top motivates the bottom.  They want it, generating greed.  That greed pushes them to higher things.  If you don't want to be at the bottom, fight your way to the top.

"Can you believe that?"

Sure, considering probably 20% of all Americans are out of work, and another 20% subside on minimum whage jobs and government handouts because they don't want to work.  These are guesstimates.

"It is a shame greed has blinded you to."

Not really, since greed is the foundation of capitalism.  It's a shame you would clearly rather not have anything and drink at the government teat.

"Tell me... Are you a Have or a Have Not?"

My parents are middle class.  My mom is a hospice chaplain and my dad is a retired software engineer.  You decide.

"I am pretty sure I am not talking to a one percenter here... That is for sure."

You are correct on that.

"Of course, greed is wrong. The Bible tells us we should share with our fellow man."

I believe I can share more effectively by becoming rich and donating to charity.

"You look like a fellow New Yorker."

Florida, born and raised.  Sorry to disappoint.

"Why wont you visit Rockerfeller Center and count just how many homeless people are sleeping just in that exclusive zip code alone."

They have made poor life decisions.

"So I guess you are okay with losing jobs... Oookay."

No, I want more jobs.  We can create them by lowering business taxes.

"Your views are clearly focused on the top 1% no doubt."

What you don't realize is what is best for the top 1% is generally best for everyone else.

"Yet... You are not. How blind are you?"

Apparently less than you.

"People in America NEED jobs!"

And they would have them if it weren't for the many socialist policies put in by people like FDR and LBJ.

"If they can not get jobs, they are going to be homeless"

I don't see how this helps your point.

"But what do you care. As long as you have an iPad in your big comfy couch, nothing else seems to even matter. "

I don't own an iPad or a comfy couch.

"Capitalism in Russia has shown us that greed can get out of control so fast that a doctor's salary is only 4,500 rubles which equals to only $150."

Ummm, no.  Did you even READ the article I posted?  For someone who talks so much about blindness, you sure seem to miss the intelligent and well-supported remarks of those around you.  To help you, I'll bold it, italicize it, and underline it this time.  But here it is again, from the top: As of 2010, Russian doctors in Moscow make around 35,600 rubles per month, while those in other places make about 18,300 per month.  Your figure is about what is earned in a week.  Also, those salaries will be doubling by 2013.  Finally, Russian doctors are one of the 10 lowest paid salaries in russia because of their SOCIALIZED medical system.  DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TALK OUT OF YOUR ASS!

"Yet they have exactly 43 billionaires in the center of Moscow."

Once again, ok, and...?

"See how greed gets out of hand?"

No, but I do see how the government can reach its hand in and royally screw up someone's life.  Next time, pick a metaphor that supports your point.

"Tell me, when will it ever stop?"

As I said last time, hopefully it won't.

"Do you like seeing the middle class suffer?"

Do you?  Would you rather be an average citizen in an east bloc country in the sixties than your current life?  What about Cuba or China today?  If so, you clearly haven't done any research.

"Do you like seeing your working class jobless?"

No, but clearly you do, since it's socialist policies that have done it.

"Do you even care that YOU can get a job?"

Yes, and I can, as I pointed out earlier.

"Communism is not driven by fear."

Pure communism, as envisioned by Marx, isn't.  Pure communism has never existed anywhere in the world, and likely never will, since it is against human nature.

"You need to finish reading your high school history textbooks. You have much to learn. All I have to say is DuBois, Marx, and Martineau. Read them up... If you want to ace your history exam."

1. I'm a college student.

2. Comments like that make you look like a condescending bitch. Not that it matters in a political argument, but I have enough to stand on without ad hominem attacks...do you?

3. The communism envisioned by those thinkers has never existed and never will, since it is against human nature.  I've read the communist manifesto.  It would be neat if those ideas worked in practice, but they don't.  You mentioning them proves that you are caught up in theory and blinded to the reality.  Intriguingly, Marx was renowned for adding history into the study of political sciences (he believed everything was cyclic and capitalism naturally led to communism).  So yes, I know what I'm talking about, unlike you.

"Wow, how pathetic."

The same could be said for your points and your insistence on reciting the same drivel constantly rather than responding to the points of others.

"Salaries are not catching up because of raw materials... Wow... Simply wow."

Yeah, shows the problems with our currency today, doesn't it.  

"What are they teaching you in that high school of yours?'

My college gives me the facts of history and allows me to make my own opinions, does yours?

"Perhaps this is a perfect example on why we need to add more dollars on education system and less on our military."

See, there's that drivel.

"You can't blame socialism for the war."

I don't.  The war was a mistake.  I won't deny that.

"Your capitalist hero George W"

GWB was not a conservative, especially in his spending.

"and his fellow white man just want to kill brown Muslims"

Ooooh, the race card, really?

"so they can siphon oil to power up your redneck truck."

1. So wait, you wrote in the same comment that I am a redneck and a new yorker?  Well, I'm not a redneck either.  I drive a car, I don't have a southern accent, and I don't listen to country

2. I'm disappointed that you are still using ad hominem attacks.  It proves you have no leg to stand on.

3. We did not get any oil from the Iraq war, but China and the UK did.  That would have been a good reason to invade if we had.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jul/31/bp-stranglehold-iraq-oilfield-contract

"We have to get more taxes from the greedy."

So we need to choke the economy more than we already have?

"Otherwise they would put 100% of their salaries into their Swiss accounts."

That's nice.  Let them enjoy it, they did earn it after all.

"Remember, if you want peace, feed your people. If you starve your less fortunate ones, things would only get worst."

I'm not even going to bother responding to this, other than to say that people like you will always be pissed at the government about somethign and that we already do, with food stamps.

"Of course, you do not care. As long as you have your bucket of fried chicken... Nobody else really matters. "

Another ad hominem attack.  If you had an argument, you wouldn't need this.  I'm going to completely ignore these from now on.

"Shame. I do not know how a young person like yourself can be so greedy."

Clearly, since you don't care about doing anything useful or productive.

"One day, the poor will nationalize all of your banks and all of your oil. You will have no where else to run but Dubai."

The poor have no power, because they don't do anything.  It really is that simple.  I will acknowledge there are corporate fat cats who have more money than they need if you will acknowledge that there are many people in this country who have made a conscious choice to do nothing and live on government handouts.  I know this for a fact, I know five of them.

"We do not care about you."

Who is we?  The Occupy Wallstreet Movement?  Forgive me if I laugh at your idle threats.

"Equality for all people."

Hey, look, an unachievable platitude.  I guarantee you that most poeple don't whant your equality.

"It does not matter what you inherit, what color of your skin is."

That's the beauty of America, it really doesn't.  Here's the thing though, you can't say this in support of your point, you already played the race card in THIS VERY COMMENT.

"Under capitalism, there is no equality because the heart of capitalism is Classism. "

No, the heart of capitalism is greed.

"You are young."

Yes, I am, I am a young American.  This means that I have more potential than almost anyone in history, including anyone in any communist country ever founded.

"You live home with your mama."

You know what they say about assumptions.  I'm in college.

"You do not pay bills or file taxes."

I do, actually.  They're too damn high.   Also, do you?  You're a college student too, right?

"You do not understand what it is like to not get a job and choke on bills."

No, but then I don't live in the deeply liberal/progressive/socialist/tax heavy (whatever you prefer) New York City.  I like my salt, thank you very much.

"You will grow up and mature mentally."

Hopefully, so will you, since you sound like the unholy granddaughter of Che Guevara.  Regardless, please realize that your system has never worked.

"Soon you will see that the future is progressive."

Or perhaps you will realize the massive burden put on you of living in a place what one in five people leech off the government.

"Republicans are failing "

That's according to...2010 election data?  OH WAIT...

"minorities are going to become the next majority."

Ok, and?

"You will be speaking my words soon enough. Watch..."

Gee, I certainly hope I won't be a washed up, sad person who has nothing to do but bitch about the system and fantacize about a reality that never has nor will exist.  (THAT is how you do an ad homiem attack properly)

Regardless, this is what it boils down to.  People who think with their hearts believe in communism, while those who use their minds believe in capitalism.  It really is that simple.

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Holly Golightly

Wow, I did not read the whole thing. You copy and paste too much, cut top the chase. I am a New Yorker, I do not have time for needless copy and pasting.

For the parts I read. USA is not the number one provider of wheat, potatoes, or soybeans. But they are the number one consumer of them, fatty... That is for damn sure. American's aren't fat for just any reason. Number one cause of death? High blood pressure dude. Keep licking your salt.

It is not easy to get a job in America now. Here is a news flash: "USA is in an economic recession" that means the job market is at a much lower rate than it previously was. Get your facts straight little boy, you aren't fooling anyone!!!

You are using a picture from New York, act like a New Yorker.

I don't read any shit you posted. Knowing you, they are probably links from some hacker website. I do not trust my enemies.

When the towers fell down, I smiled for the first time, because capitalism would soon follow. Who cares about them?????????????? NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching that purple smoke in real life was something truly amazing. Divided we fall... Divided we fall. Oh boy, we will fall. Thanks to the likes of you and your greed.

You like seeing homeless in the cold, I like helping them out. But you do not care about people. You care about money just like you mention in your other 3 profiles, baldy. 

Capitalism is finally falling. Getting devoured by Socialism. And soon Communism will take over. Learn to run... And run fast, because this will be something you will be doing in the future.

Keep flapping your gums and repeating every word I am saying... You are making me famous!

 

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avenger48

That copy-pasting was quotes.  I am responding directly to what you say, but since you don't like that, I'll stop being nice and get to the point.  Follow my links or don't, I don't give a shit.  You offer no proof, so anything you say can and should be considered bullshit.

You want me to cut to the chase: here it is.  You are a crazy, self-righteous bitch who can't accept the fact that your communist fantasies will never come true and instead makes up "facts" to support bullshit points which are not backed up by history, logic, or reason.  Thus being incapable of supporting your delusions, you fantasize about crushing those who are actually capable of using logic to define their beliefs.  Since you appear to be incapable of supporting your reasoning with facts, you must resort to platitudes and irrelevant comments, half of which are wrong.  Also, you apparently get off on calling people names, as though it makes you superior to them.  This has all been backed up by your arguments so far, and is not made up or anything else.

Here are the facts, and these are undeniable.  Like them or not, they are the way things are.  If you respond to anything in this post, respond to these:

1. Capitalism works.  It is the only system on earth that does not eventually work toward massive tyranny by the government when put into practice.  All other systems do.

2. Communism does not work.  It has failed everywhere it has been tried, and it has never worked as Carl Marx envisioned it, because of human greed.

3. Capitalism is not a nice system, but it is a fair system.  Everyone has a chance at success, and only the strong thrive.  Is it kind, generous, or Christian? No, in fact it can be cruel, but it WORKS, better than anything that ever has been tried.

4. The United States will not become communist because a bunch of pathetic morons occupy a street and bitch about how eveything is unfair when everything has been handed to them on a silver platter.  

5. I have worked, and I will in the future, to support many of those who ascribe to your theories and use them to do nothing.  These people suck at the teat of the government and never work a day of their lives.  That is who you are siding with.

My avatar is a representation of capitalism, not New York, which you would know if you were half as open-minded as you claim to be.  

People like you set the ball rolling for dictators like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong, who together killed around 100 million people.  That's almost ten times as many as Adolf Hitler.  That makes them some of the most evil men in the history of the world, and makes you their servant.  As for your comment about 9/11, take a long, hard look at it.  You are evil, and that is not exaggeration, hyperbole, or incorrect phrasing.  So enjoy sipping tea with your "movement", and know that your schemes could kill as many as 150 million Americans (extrapolating ratios from the regime of Pol Pot).

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Holly Golightly

Damn little boy. You do not need to write an essay, this is not high school.

I am better than what you'll ever be. You keep holding tight to your pennies. You are really going to need them in the future.

Capitalism is not about the strong surviving. I am stronger than you physically. I am just not as greedy as you. So under capitalism, only the greedy survive.

How pathetic you take Occupy Wall Street as some sort of joke. You do know you are a part of that 99% they are fighting for. Although you keep scrubbing the toilets of your fellow bankers. I am pretty sure they have some year 2011 pennies for you.

Heck, unemployed veterans from Afganistan are now joining in the revolution. Right here in Wall Street.

Do you know what your picture REALLY represents? It represents the Devil. A big man made of gold, below planet earth, strong body to strike fear to the physically weak. Why do you think that statue is facing Saint Patricks Cathedral? USA's largest, most valued church. The Church across the street stands tall with the 3 crosses to represent that the Holy trinty stands higher than your devilishy greedy statue. Yes, your man below is more evil than what you label others who hate you. Who cares about 150 million Americans. They are replaceable just like you. As long as I get my tea handed to me, I care less what happens to greedy people like you.

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avenger48

I find your mentions of essays funny, since most of your comments are larger than that one was.  Sure, though, I'll keep it short.  I have seen no evidence that you will be anything more than a failure at life. You go to a New York community college, for God's sake.

Your physical strength does not impress me.  Also, I wouldn't be making baseless claims if I were you, since I am 6'5 and weigh 225 lbs, all muscle.  So I call BS on that.

Occupy Wall Street is a joke.  You haven't done anything but sit in a field and bitch about the country.  I'll take you seriously when you show me that you are serious.  They aren't fighting for jack shit, and they know it.  The truth is, you are all idiots if you think any of your pointless movements will ever amount to anything.

Have fun with your veterans. I really don't care.

You know who has killed more people than anyone else in history?  Mao Zedong.  Murder is a sin, one of the worst.  He has murdered 78 million.  So forgive me if I ignore your bullshit about the devil.  The fact that you are willing to kill 150 million people indicates that you would be even worse than him, so yes, you are evil, far more evil than one statue.  Forgive me if I don't give a shit about Marx, Dubois, you, your movement, or any other bullshit you may create.  Enjoy your delusions and your "occupation", they will never amount to anything anyway.

Also, and finally, I have fact-checked your comments.  Each and every "fact" you gave was bullshit.  The top 1% does not, and never has, make 42% of the money.  Try 23%.  The U.S is #1 in Soybeans.  Ask for any more and I'll give you the truth.  I guess you couldn't WORK at all to actually use real data.

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Holly Golightly

Hey little boy. Think you can change me? Perhaps you are a failure in life. Goodluck failing college. Why wont you just go ahead and scrub some toilets, since you do not have some dignity for yourself.

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avenger48

I have plenty of self-dignity.  You know nothing about me, and you will not learn anything about the world with your head so far up your ass.  Enjoy your ignorance.

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Holly Golightly

Tell me, why would I ever want to learn about you? Perhaps it is your head you need to get out of your ass.

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avenger48

Show me one instance in history where communism has succeeded.

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Holly Golightly

China!

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KenLV

“Wow, I did not read the whole thing.”

The image of a young child pluggin’ her ears going “lalalalalalala” just popped into my head.  LOL  Thanks for the laugh.  You just keep hiding from the real world, academia will suit you fine.

“I do not have time for needless copy and pasting.”

Or learnin’

“Number one cause of death? High blood pressure dude.”

Not even close.  Heart disease – by a HUGE margin.  Hypertension is a contributing factor to heart disease and stroke (number 3 cause of death), but not the “cause”.  But please, do tell me, the doctor, all about it.

“When the towers fell down, I smiled for the first time, because capitalism would soon follow. Who cares about them?????????????? NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Watching that purple smoke in real life was something truly amazing.”

Wait, didn’t you just complain that we were “ganging up on [you]”?  Is this your plan to gain support?  You are such a fucking twit.  I guess you think that you can “shock us” into submission.  No such luck.  I’ve seen worse things in person than ANYTHING you can try to have me imagine.

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Holly Golightly

No surprise, you got all your facts wrong. You ain't got no learning dude. You are too damn boring. Yeah, yeah, you are the son of Bill Gates. You invented the atom bomb. You solved world hunger by "charitable donations." You won every grammy award. Heck, you invented the time machine and that is why you are the richest person of the entire world... Any more fake facts Mr.Boring? Gosh you are so boring. Who cares what YOU have to say. At this point you are just flapping your gums and nobody is listening.

 

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

 

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KenLV

Huh?

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Yeah, but you forget that I have the bigger gun. Your petty little pistol means nothing to my gold rifle of justice. Plus, I got the socialist military members protecting me from the likes of you. So go ahead, track me if you can.

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

LOL, this isn’t MW, there are no “golden rifles”.  But you’ve (intentionally) misunderstood, I won’t be tracking you down.  THAT would be illegal.  I will be protecting me and mine WITNIN the law.

“Plus, I got the socialist military members protecting me from the likes of you.”

Really?  I know that your people like to BELIEVE that you understand the mind of the average military member, but again, you forget that one of us actually served – and it ain’t you.  I have friends, neighbors, and family who are still active duty and I can assure you, if push came to shove, it will NOT be the American service man and women backing your imaginary socialist coup.  ALL service men and women are “anti-war” – it’s called “self preservation” you fucking moron. HOWEVER, being anti-war does NOT mean they are anti-capitalism, or pro-socialist.

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Thaaaaat's right. You keep thinking the way you are thinking. You are heading down a lovely path made just for you. Keep going. We are all watching you.

Ha, you are not man enough to join a war. Heck, even if you did, you lost in Vietnam. That's what? A... A... A... Communist country? No way! You just proved my point in Communist soldiers are more stronger. Woooooooow. That is something a capitalist could never do, is beat a communist. How sad. Hmm, you know what? I can use a new lamp shade... Made out of the backs of your fallen comrades. You lose, yet again. HA!!!

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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jimmythestu

Their not communist anymore.

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jimmythestu

That's the party, not the economy.  Just because you call yourself a communist dosen't make the economy that way.  The world economy is capitalist.  All four of you guy's are just doing this to irritate each other.  It's just too funny to read.  I have never seen a flame war last this long.  Holly, the fed really did step in and said to the banks you will load to people with these parameters. KenLV was right in that.  The thinking was that their saleries would increase along with the intrest rate hike that would follow in the ARM.  Adjustable rate mortgages were probably never a good idea in the first place but it allowed people to get into a home.  As you know the intrest rate is regulated by the government.  The banks charge what the fed loans them plus a percentage.  In the free market banks can charge what ever they want.  But if they make it to high they don't sell any mortages because other banks will undercut them.  But you already know that being a buisness major I guess from what that idiot panthr platered all over the place painting that big ass bullseye on your back.  That was not cool.  Marx said that the movement from fuedalism to capitalism to socialism to communism is evolutionary.  Governments just can't make the world economy which is capitalist at this point in time.  Forcing it will always be a disaster.  Wealth is not distributed equally anytime a government gets it's fingers in the mix because they themselves aren't ready to redistribute the wealth.  The heads of those governments be it a dictatorship or republic or any other form of government always want to keep some for themselve be it in housing or transportation or just wanting to roll around in the cash.  They are no more kind to their own people that the milllionares or billionares you profess to hate.  We as a speicies are not ready for socialism or communism because we as a species have not evolved socially to do what is required that type of economy work.  There may be individuals that are willing to do that, but as a society, sorry darlin' ain't going to happen.  Maybe after a thousand years or so of development it may happen but not now.  Your efforts would be better spent in taking your buisness degree and helping those who don't really understand how things work in this type of economy like how credit scores work or any of the other pitfalls that people getinto trouble with and helping them to cope with how things are.  Not waste time on things that we can't change. 

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Holly Golightly

Did you really think Communism is about living in caves or something? Of course we have a market. Everything is cheaper. But things like food, money, and oil are controlled by the government. The greed has to end at some point. The gap between rich and poor continues to grow and communism is definitely the answer.

Like you said, socialism and communism is evolutionary. We need to evolutionize. We need to make progress now. Not go backwards. What these 3 idiots have been arguing about was going back in time when greed was acceptable. A time when aristocrats were still alive. If we get backward's minded people like Mr.Boring and Baldy manipulating little boys like Avenger, then it is only a matter of time when capitalism becomes so far out of control that they would probably want to go far back as aristocracy. This is why we need to fight them. For the sake of our children. We may not have the perfect life, but our goal is to strive for the absolute best, and these guys have no clue what is best for everybody.

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KenLV

Oh no!!!  She’s attacked my masculinity.  Whatever will I do?

BTW, I wasn’t even out of grammar school by the END of the Vietnam war.  Sorry, “I” lost it.  But it’s refreshing to see you have such disdain for your fellow countrymen who died – many of who were draftees.  You are pathetic.  Try to spit on this former soldier and I’ll politically incorrectly smack the holy shit out of you.

This what they are teaching at CUNY business schools now?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/veronica-toro/35/691/336

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

“… proves that you are caught up in theory and blinded to the reality.”

Wow.  THIS sums up pretty much EVERYTHING about Ms. Toro’s (lack of) understanding of the world so very nicely.  Thanks.

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Holly Golightly

Yeah, and you have nothing! Somebody ought to put you into a gas chamber and call it a freaking day. Gosh, you are so damn boring. Just keep spreading the word. I am your enemy.

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KenLV

“Somebody ought to put you into a gas chamber and call it a freaking day.”

Like most “liberal” despots, that is your eventual goal.  Kill everyone smarter than you.  You know that doesn’t make YOU any smarter, it just changes how the bell sits.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

“Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt.”

LOL, thanks to loopholes I pay very little to thugs like you.  Which is nice since it frees me up to donate 10% of my family income to CHARITIES I choose!

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Holly Golightly

10% of nothing is nothing.

 

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

 

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KenLV

Well, you’re half right… nothing to you.

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Holly Golightly

Correction... Nothing for you. You get nothing because you are nothing!

 

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

 

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