Judge Tells San Francisco to Chillax on Cell Phone Radiation Warnings

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tony2tonez

guess that means they will have to give up their iphones....oh wait they wont because its Apple, they're ok. 

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Gezzer

I was going to add more to my first post. Saw how long it was (srry I'm bad for that) and decided to add a new one. It's about the nature of cancer.

As I mentioned I've dealt with a lot of loss in my life due to cancer. So I've done a fair amount of study trying to understand what it is and why it happens.

In a nutshell cancer takes a series of events. Cell division is too long to try to go into but to be brief and cell is born when a healthy cell divides. It then starts to do what ever it's programmed to do, say in a heart muscle where it cycles from contracting to releasing repeatedly till it wears out and dies. Cancer is where the information telling the cell to stop dividing and do it's function gets corrupted and the cell just keeps dividing. This is a random event and can not be predicted. This actually happens naturally in all of us no matter how healthy we are or how healthy our life style is. Our immune system tracks these cells down and kills them before they become a problem in the majority of cases. That's why AIDS presented most times as a cancer often a rare one. The AIDS victims immune system wasn't strong enough to prevent it.

If the immune system is weakened or overwhelmed the single cancerous cell can gain a foot hold. Then because it's reproduction rate is far faster then healthy cells it replaces those cells. And since the cancer cells are only reproducing you end up, say in the case of a heart, with a lot of non pumping cells. So the overall secret to not getting cancer is have a strong immune system and prevent as many corruptions as you can. 

As I said earlier this is a random event that can not be predicted. I can not stress that enough. To really understand what that means you need to understand the nature of random. Say with flipping a coin most people incorrectly think that eventually if you do it often enough it will end up at 50/50. the truth is that at any time it might reach a 50/50 split for a moment. But there's no way to know when. It's random. That's why people can smoke for a year and get cancer or never get it after smoking for 60 years and die of a heart attack. That's also why people were getting lung cancer before we were smoking.

No one can currently say what a persons overall risk for cancer is and what types of cancer they have a higher risk to get. There are just so many factors that it's a crap shoot. With the exception of actions that raise a persons risk. What those actions would be will vary from person to person.

You could do everything right and die of cancer in a year, or everything wrong and live to be one hundred. Again it's all about calculating the risks we take on a daily basis the best we can.

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Engelsstaub

Good stuff, your input.

Life is pretty fragile and none of us are guaranteed a bit of it. The only thing we are guaranteed is the end of it...sooner or later.

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Gezzer

I always find this stuff both fascinating, amusing, and a little baffling at the same time.

Like the old saying goes a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, and all the worry about cell phones are based on a little bit of science, a very little bit.

First the facts that all these alarmists get right. Yes cell phones admit trace amounts of radiation, and yes exposure to radiation can possible lead to cancer down the road.

Now here's the rest of the knowledge that makes those two facts dangerous. We live in a world of radiation. Even if we eliminated every man made source of radiation that reduction would be a very small percentage of the radiation we are exposed to on a daily basis. There are so many natural sources, foods for example: bananas, potatoes, brazil nuts. If you drink water that comes from an aquifer, which means most of us, it's radioactive. In fact the very buliding your in right now, or the soil under your feet is radioactive. It's not the fact of being exposed it's the amount, time frame, and type that's most important.

The second problem is the term "statistically significant percentage". Many studies that the alarmists use to back up their claims have that troubling term in it. The problem is that it's a very slippery term and with cancer caused by exposure it's open to some pretty heavy debate. First off cancer is a naturally occurring aliment. This means that it takes years of study before a definitive causation link can be proved. That's why it took so long, well that and the tobbacco companies stone walling, to prove smoking caused lung cancer. Secondly because it's a normal aliment, it's really hard to show that the cancer wasn't caused by something else. Even something as unlikely as a stray neutrino interacting with a cell as it zipped threw your body could of been the initial cause of the tumor. So you need an extremly large study group over a long period so that these random causes of cancer can end up becoming a low background noise that the causation agent can rise above.

The final stupidity over this whole question is it's not about causing cancer it's about how much your risk of cancer will increase. Again this is a very misleading term. Say if using a cell phone for an average of an hour a day for ten years raised your risk by one percent (I don't even think it could be that high) that would mean in a ten year span one person out of one hundred might develop brain cancer. What do you think your risk of dieing in a car is? A bet over a ten year period it's a lot higher. Does that mean you won't ever ride in a car again?

The truth is cancer is a very scary thing, I know I've lost quite a number of loved ones to it. But the only way to avoid risk is to kill your self right now. Our entire lives are nothing but calculated risks, and all the data has shown that cell phones are a very very minor risk. That is unless you tape an enabled cellphone to the side of your head for a year.... than all bets are off.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Chances are, this judge received a nice little consideration package from lobbyists representing the carriers.

Modern cell phones pump out scary radiation. But, please, hold them right up to your head--as close to your little walnut brain as you can manage.

Baa Ram Yew!

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Yeah, cancer is a blast. You gotta die of something!

Too bad you can't die just by being stupid.

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whathuhitwasntme

the science behind this "study" is bogus

if you think your cell phone is going to give you cancer, so will your home phone, your tv and your toaster!

 

nobody gets out of life alive people, you gotta die of SOMETHING!

personally I am hoping to get shot as I crawl my 80 year old ass out the window of my 18 year old girlfriends window but hey a fella can hope

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dedgar

Yes, we are going thru this again. Why? Because it was a gomment study. And EVERY one knows that the gomment lies with every safety test they do. Why? Because they the Gomment. That's why.

(Read above in my best Rush Limbaugh voice, loaded with idiotic sarcasm.)

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triclops41

whatevs, this cell phone stuff is just too good to pass up.

 

it allows certain people to rail against modern technology while also attacking "kkkorporations".

 

science does not, nor will it ever, have anything to do with this.

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lo_tek

This whole cellphone/smartphone-as-a-carcinogen issue is about as false and stupid as the microwave scare back in the 80's.  Give it up, you tinfoil hat Greeners!  Just go back to your pristine Amazon rainforest along with your enchanted bows and leave the rest of us normal people alone!  If you Greeners had your way, we'd still be living in caves wearing a freshly skinned bear cape and suffering gangrene from a gash that the bear we just killed gave us.  To say nothing of not having computers of any kind whatsoever.  Everything has to be "pristine" and "natural" ya know.  Oh, btw, humans aren't natural, whoops!

 

 

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AETAaAS

Study on 420,000 Danish cell phone users finds no significant increase in risk: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17148772 There was a follow up study to that but I could not find it... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15387297

If you are worried about the WHO's warning, bear in mind; they think coffee and pickled/smoked foods are in the same league with cell phones (Group 2B aka 'Possible Carcinogens') http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Classification/ClassificationsGroupOrder.pdf

Studies may be inconsistent, but when there is such a large amount of grey, I think its safe to say; "Don't worry your pretty little head about it" :p

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Holly Golightly

Once again, the people lose in favor of big business. Cellphones are dangerous. Especially the GSM kind. Those phones can cause intereference with computer speakers and landline phones as well as microphones. If they can cause an intereference with those electronics, imagine what it can do to your pants pocket. Those things are portable tumors. Cellphones are just as bad as smoking cigarettes. Sure, cigarettes can not harm your health back in the 80s, but somehow they can in the 2000s. So with that said, we are experiencing a similar fate with cellphones. Loads of lobbying to lie and then brainwash the people. I hope San Francisco continues to fight for this. The people deserve the truth!!!

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tony2tonez

Holly do you have a cellphone or a pocket full of quarters and a beeper?

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Holly Golightly

None, I use credit cards only. As for phone, Skype all the way. Why pay for expensive contracts?

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KenLV

"If they can cause an intereference with those electronics, imagine what it can do to your pants pocket."

Not a damn thing - as every legitimate study has shown. Of course for someone who believes that...

"Cellphones are just as bad as smoking cigarettes."

Science doesn't mean much.

“I hope San Francisco continues to fight for this.”

Yes, because they have tons of extra cash laying around to continue wasting money on foolishness like this.

Next.

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Holly Golightly

Oh gosh, not you again you homeless bum! I did not ask for YOUR opinion. Just believe in the lies the government tells you and shut up!

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KenLV

Hey, shouldn't you be "occupying" somewhere?

LAWL  And no, no one thinks your nuts.  So please, continue.

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Holly Golightly

Someone ought to tax everything you own. Yep. Have some decent people occupy your house. How about that?

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KenLV

“Have some decent people occupy your house.”

Decent people already occupy my house.  But, unlike the useless mayors of these cities, I'm not afraid to LAWFULLY protect my property and family if some puissant like you tries.

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Holly Golightly

Nope, we would have dumped you and your family in the oven long ago. Burn baby burn. OUCH! R.O.F.L.M.A.O.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Actually, you’d be laying in a pool of your own blood while I explained to the cops why there is an extra hole in your noggin.  Like I said, unlike those useless POS mayors of the “occupied” cities, I WILL avail myself of MY legal rights to protect me and mine.  That’s all it EVER takes, someone to stand up to the bully.  Shout all you want about how “this is how democracy works”, I’ll very quietly explain how ballistics works.

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Nope, that is your blood I am dancing on. Golden Rifle of Justice onto your face. Since you can predict the future. Can you see me deficating on your grave? Open wide.

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Umm-kay.  You keep living under the false believe the you actually do represent 99% of the population.

While certainly the majority of the population is dissatisfied with the state of the economy, that doesn’t translate into a desire to completely change to a communist/socialist state.  Despite the dramatic DROP in personal satisfaction and happiness since Obama took office (yes, DROP – let me spell that out, people are LESS happy now than under GWB - whoops), but still, despite that drop and our vast disappointment with our politicians, you understand that OVERALL the majority of people are still PERSONALLY happy, yes happy you dumb shit, and would rather live HERE than ANYWHERE else.  Despite the best efforts to spin it otherwise, the average person understands WHY countries like Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, etc.. have riots in the street: it’s NOT because of corporate greed, or the “1%”, it’s because mommy took away their loli.  And WHY did she HAVE to do that?  Because mommy is BROKE.

“Contribute towards my own retirement?  Put in to my own health insurance plan?  Work until I’m 65?  Fuck you!  Let’s destroy…that, and that, and THAT!  We’ll show them!”  Spoiled brats and thugs.  Just like you.

So, keep thinking that after seeing what has happened in socialist Europe, that the vast majority of the population in the US is suddenly going to side with you when “offered” the utopian option of Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, etc…  I just wish I could be there to see the look of shock and confusion on your face when THEY rise up and squash you like the little buzzing gnat you are.

I keep telling you, this is real life, your MW2 Gold AK won’t help you here.  LAWL

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt. Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Hey, you are a man of re-runs... Here you go!

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Here's a re-run for you:

So we WON’T be seeing anymore of your pro-communism, anti-capitalism, lies and bullshit anymore? Good, because like all limousine liberals, you are a hypocrite, a charlatan, a fraud. And you are always found out.

Did you think that your YouTube anarchist thugs “comrades” are the only people capable of doxing? Shall we continue? I mean seriously, I haven’t done anything beyond a cursory search. Shall we get into how your Bloomingdales purchases are paid for? Things on the internet are there pretty much forever. You can delete your twitter account, fix the privacy settings on your MySpace page – and then deny they are yours – LOL. But once again the reality of who you are – a bored, spoiled, little, troll girl – has been revealed.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/veronica-toro/35/691/336

Hey let me ask, when you go to use that degree (should you ever actually get out of school) do you think that your potential new employers will find it as amusing as you do that you said, on Veteran’s day, that you want to make lampshades out of the skin of our dead soldiers? Probably not, well, unless you are looking to work for Sean Penn or Jane Fonda.

You do know that employers now hire firms, with far greater resources than I, to scour the web for information about prospective employees, right, you did know that - didn't you?

You are a disgusting human (and I use "human" in only the most general sense) being. And like the rest of your thugs comrades, when found out for who you truly are, you ALWAYS resort to trying to dismiss your detractors because YOU say they are: racists, nazis, fascists, fags, faggots, homophobes (wait, what? I’ve been meaning to ask, please explain how we are gay AND homophobes?), various antiemetic slurs, perverts, fucktards, retards, hillbillies, etc… While your “facts” are never reliable, it’s ALWAYS nice to know that we can count on the weak minded to resort to the most vile and base of attacks when they can’t defend their ludicrous claims and positions.

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt. Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Here's a re-run for you:

So we WON’T be seeing anymore of your pro-communism, anti-capitalism, lies and bullshit anymore? Good, because like all limousine liberals, you are a hypocrite, a charlatan, a fraud. And you are always found out.

Did you think that your YouTube anarchist thugs “comrades” are the only people capable of doxing? Shall we continue? I mean seriously, I haven’t done anything beyond a cursory search. Shall we get into how your Bloomingdales purchases are paid for? Things on the internet are there pretty much forever. You can delete your twitter account, fix the privacy settings on your MySpace page – and then deny they are yours – LOL. But once again the reality of who you are – a bored, spoiled, little, troll girl – has been revealed.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/veronica-toro/35/691/336

Hey let me ask, when you go to use that degree (should you ever actually get out of school) do you think that your potential new employers will find it as amusing as you do that you said, on Veteran’s day, that you want to make lampshades out of the skin of our dead soldiers? Probably not, well, unless you are looking to work for Sean Penn or Jane Fonda.

You do know that employers now hire firms, with far greater resources than I, to scour the web for information about prospective employees, right, you did know that - didn't you?

You are a disgusting human (and I use "human" in only the most general sense) being. And like the rest of your thugs comrades, when found out for who you truly are, you ALWAYS resort to trying to dismiss your detractors because YOU say they are: racists, nazis, fascists, fags, faggots, homophobes (wait, what? I’ve been meaning to ask, please explain how we are gay AND homophobes?), various antiemetic slurs, perverts, fucktards, retards, hillbillies, etc… While your “facts” are never reliable, it’s ALWAYS nice to know that we can count on the weak minded to resort to the most vile and base of attacks when they can’t defend their ludicrous claims and positions.

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt. Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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avenger48

Wow, a Jewish girl joking about burning someone alive.  There's no irony there.

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Holly Golightly

Where the hell do you get this "Jewish" thing from? I am not jewish!!! I find it ironic how you suddenly just started up this rumor. Wow. Simply, wow.

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avenger48

I got it from one of the others' comments.  If you aren't, that explains even more clearly why you're so obnoxious.  Do you know what dictators do?  They kill, en mass.

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Holly Golightly

Maybe you should talk to the president on my fan club. He has all of the information about my ethnic heritage he is willing to give out. Heck can fax you a brochure about joining in. So to answer your question, no, I am not Jewish. Do not believe in all of comments you read. I am a kind hearted communist who wants to distribute the wealth evenly across the world. Of course, show me any opposition, and I will show you a new definition of the word "enemy." Just try me.

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avenger48

I doubt kind-hearted, since you seem perfectly willing to kill anyone who iritates you.  And, in case you haven't noticed, I have already shown plenty of opposition.

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Holly Golightly

Because greed is far too tempting, and those who side with the enemy must be eliminated under all cost. It is time to progress little boy. Move forward with the rest of America. Don't get left behind with the 2 old guys.

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avenger48

You can't criticize me for being young AND claim it's an advantage, especially in one, four sentence comment.  Pick one.

Also, "the rest of America" isn't moving in your direction.  The sooner you realize that, the better.

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Holly Golightly

I can criticize you however way I want. Don't forget that little boy.

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KenLV

It was a claim she made in a previous rant, or maybe it was her MySpace page. Sorry, can’t recall.

Oh hey, here's another cheery story about China (“Land that I love…” – Veronica Toro)
http://www.chinahush.com/2011/11/08/just-another-food-scandal-landfill-becomes-cattle-feedlot/

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

I believe the term is “self hating Jew”.  Yeah, she’s always “joking” about killing me.  Not a half hour ago she declared that I should be put in a gas chamber.  Like the Nazis, she knows that it would take too many bullets to kill EVERYONE who disagrees with her.

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Holly Golightly

 

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

 

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KenLV

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

Wow, THIS is so much easier.  Thanks.

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Holly Golightly

 

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

 

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KenLV

Whoops, my turn?

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt. Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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KenLV

Just toke on your bong and only you will get hurt.  Believe me sister, I’m on the right side of MY gun.

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Holly Golightly

Shut up and pay your taxes... And nobody will get hurt. You are already on the wrong side of the gun.

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avenger48

Lies the government tells you?  You mean like the local government of San Francisco?  I hear they have some bullshit claim about cellphones.  You should really look into it.

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Holly Golightly

Nope... Just like the government lied about cigarettes health warnings long ago, and the lies about their purpose for the Iraq war, and their lies about the Unknown Aerial Phenomina.

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