ErikTheGreat

February 22, 2010 at 5:48am

It is all about control people.  They can't control who devlops what for flash.  They can't sell flash at their app store.  They can't stand anything they can't control or profit from.  They therfore do not, nor will they ever support flash or any technology that circumvents the allmighty app store.

Rob42o

February 21, 2010 at 2:32pm

Jobs is  a fag.  I hope they dont incorporate Flash in that shitty ass iPad,  less people will buy it.

mdkplus

February 21, 2010 at 7:38am

Maybe Jobs himself is spurned by the top brass at Adobe, so in Hitler-esque fashion is campaigning against all things Flash. If you can't own em', exterminate em'.

MleB

February 20, 2010 at 4:55am

....the iPad hardly needs another reason to find it less-useful than it already is.

If its an internet device, it needs to be friendly with the technology used on websites. If its meant to be a tablet/slate device, it needs to be have external drive ports (especially with the meagre internal memory they are promising) and a hardware (not bluetooth) means of connecting directly to peripherals, like printers.

If, on the other hand, its simply a content delivery device for the iTunes store, a gaming device  and lightweight portable player for Apple-approved products, then its all set. 

nadako

February 19, 2010 at 9:13pm

Apple hates everything but its own brand name. So I really dont see apple ever getting flash. And why is apple so worried with security if it gets less securtiy hacks then microsoft. Guess your not so secure about your OS afterall apple. It was only a matter of time...

beeky 1000

February 19, 2010 at 7:40pm

jt

QuadraQ

February 19, 2010 at 4:35pm

Don't care what you think about Apple, but Flash is a terrible product. It's not an open standard. It's a security nightmare. (I get new security problems being reported by Secunia on my PC about every week!) It's a particularly bad product for video (which is one of it's primary uses on the web) using lots of CPU.

It won't go away anytime soon, but better for it to decline and be replaced by open web standards like HTML 5 over time, than for it to continue as the worst part of our web experience as it is today.

snapple00

February 19, 2010 at 3:11pm

Steve Jobs is a loser.

He doesn't care about anything but the status of his shit products.

Watching him present the new iPad was a joke. The best browsing experience? Who cares? And his loyal followers using words like "productive" and "joy" and "just works". 

I didn't realize people could actually be that stupid. They are happily ready to give away their freedom and money for something they can already do, like browse the web or buy non-DRM music.  

Yusonice

February 19, 2010 at 2:43pm

The least he could do is to include flashlite. My phone can browse desktop youtube and plays videos just like on computer, thanks to flashlite. Some flash games also work and even modern warfare 2 website loads just like it should on computer, on my phone

highsidednb

February 19, 2010 at 2:38pm

Funny that Jobs is making these statements.  Haven't Macs always been championed by people in the design fields?  Aren't Adobe's products the main reason why the arty types go with Macs?  I can't wait for Jobs to say "CS4 runs slow on Macs..."

 It's also funny that a possible substitute for Flash is Silverlight which is brought to you by Microsoft...lulz 

blkpanthr

February 19, 2010 at 1:45pm

Although ia am a PC, dont own any apple products, and am a heavy flash user, Jobs has a point.

Anyone use Hulu over the last couple years?

come on...flash cant render a 720p stream fullscreen without dropouts and 98% cpu usage on an E8500 dual core without hardware accelloration (ver 10 only)?

please, that same E8500 can render 1080p MKVs without any GPU help with about 25% usage without any frame drops whatsoever...

nmanguy

February 19, 2010 at 1:16pm

He said "little more than "a CPU hog" riddled with "security holes" and "old
technology,"". which is a bit interesting, considering that's why I haven't used iTunes since 2004.

Lhot

February 19, 2010 at 12:14pm

 ....Java suxxorz...period!  As he said it's way bloated and is a security risk.  I see NO need for any app, just used to render some web pages, to be continually trying to access the internet, if fact the latest update to the JRE runtime NEEDS to be allowed internet access to even work properly.  I stuck with JRE6_7  for a long time for this simple reason...I could install it....then block its internet access and it still rendered pages properly.  With the current updated version this is no longer possible.  If I didn't love Firefox so much...I'd have Java OFF my comp in a heartbeat.  I feel the same way about Quick Time...  to me they seem more information GATHERING programs than just simple rendering scripts.

Obviously I'm no internet expert, but i get awfull suspicious when any program that is not say< and online game, wants internet access so bad.  Nero is just the same.  Heck even the DivX free player is the same, and more and more apps are going this way as well.   NOT my idea of either privacy or security.

 

The "CLOUD" is the biggest mistake this country has made...EVER !

Modred189

February 19, 2010 at 11:52am

Quicktime. 'Nuff said.

TheZomb

February 19, 2010 at 10:27am

Adobe's products are terrible resource hogs. I'm usually one to hate on apple, but flash is just a problem and it would be much easier for everyone if its functionality was built into html. No more installing random extensions to view parts of websites, less security loop wholes and no more stupid adobe downloader spam and leftover crapt.

 Adobe needs to get their shit together if they wanna compete and stop making poorly designed resource hogging programs. Acrobat for example is just as bad, it can even grind the best programs to halt when loading a simple pdf. Its text and pictures not Crisis why does it need 100% of my CPU

Havok

February 19, 2010 at 10:12am

 Jobs looks like 'evil monkey'

 

 

CLICK.

Stry8993

February 19, 2010 at 9:51am

And then see who points the finger.

Edwincnelson

February 19, 2010 at 9:36am

This is why i hate them. When Jobs tells everyone that Flash sucks and is a stupid idea he's not just putting down Adobe, but everyone who develops on, and uses their platform. Apple is so busy trying tell everyone what they need that they have completely forgotten to listen to what people want. 

Trendecide

February 19, 2010 at 9:36am

I don't own a single Apple product, but I develop websites and software exclusively with Adobe products.  You currently see Apple relentlessly bashing Adobe right now, but you can count on Flash support on Apple devices in the future.  Why?  Microsoft's phone to be does everything the iPhone does and offers silverlight support.  If Apple wants to bury the hatchet with MS they're gonna have to pull their panties out of their wad and 1-up MS with Flash support.  There's one thing that history has shown is that MS copies other stuff very well, which means Apple will be required to conform or yet again be left in the dust with everything else they've ever done.  I know Apple fanboys hate to hear that, but it's the harsh reality.

daveyd

February 19, 2010 at 9:27am

I am a PC. LOL

Sebie Kay

February 19, 2010 at 9:27am

Well, this does make things a little more interesting.  Saying that flash is to slow for Apple's products.  Is that a fact, or is it a clever way to say that Apple's products are to slow to run flash?   

 In a situation like this, I think of Newton's laws.  'For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction'.  Yes, I know this isn't physic's class.  But hey, it does involve an apple!  And Newton's law could apply not only to his apple, but to the Apple co. too.  Here's how:

 

Apple wants to stand out, be bold; dominate the small sector of the market that Microsoft might have a weaker claim to (music players, phones, etc).  In doing so, they fine tune their own software to run on their own equipment.  This makes sense, as Apple really is a software company. 

Does it work?  Yes.

Does it hurt them?  Yes.

By targeting a niche' (such as with the iPad), Apple removes itself from the major playing field.  Flash plays on that major playing field.

 

See where I am going with this?  Apple is trying to save face with most geeks by bashing Flash, which is a major player in the big field.  The truth is, Apple's business plan to stay in small sectors really doesn't warrant it even trying to have flash in the first place.  

So what's up with the bash?

To try to make a perceived short coming of their product into a selling point. That's what Apple is good at, and that is what they have done.

 

Ok, everyone still with me on that?  There will be a test on this latter!  ;) 

-=Do unto others... THEN RUN!!=-

BAFTUB

February 19, 2010 at 9:09am

This is why apple will never get anywhere.

Their products will be and will remain stupid fads.