Is This What Linux Will Look Like in 2012?

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enorbet2

I made a mistake on my post about the command line.  Because I used the mouse to swipe text and copy and paste, I missed the following opener paragraph.

 

 I get so tired of hearing people complain about command line, maybe I can help at least a few understand layering.  Look, every icon you have is essentially a command.  It just has the icon as a graphic representation.  You can even look at "properties" and see the command.  Double-Clicking on the icon (in windows - single clicking in Mac and optionally in Linux) is simply built into the operating system to represent "Run" or "Launch". So even though you have icons, you still have commands.  They're just disguised.

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 To further make the point, had I done the job with a command like "cat" with the proper switch for "-all", that mistake would not have happened.  In a forum post this is no big deal obviously, but what should become increasingly obvious is that you don't want incidental errors of any kind when you are "playing with the engine", messing around and changing low level arrangements and devices.

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Hope this helps 

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enorbet2

Commands, even windows commands, have switches which adds to or modifies how the command runs.  Some commands have only a few possible variations, while others may have dozens. For example if you are having connection problems in windows you might open the "Network Connections" folder if you have the Classic View "Start" bar.  If not, you'll need to 1st open "Control Panel" and then "Network Connections".  Then you can open the folder for the particular network device, let's keep it simple and say it is an ethernet network card.  If you then click on the "Support" tab you will see a page that has a button reading "Repair".  Each one of these folders, tabs, pages, etc is essentially a command.  Instead of finding and opening all those folders to finally hit the "repair" button, you could have simply typed "ipconfig /renew /all" and you'd be done already.  Conversely if you created an icon for every possible command and switch you would have an unbeliveably unwieldy amount of icons, most of which you would never use, let alone figure out how to label.

   Have you ever wished to remove, for example, every reference to a given program you either uninstalled or moved?  It takes a very long time to wade through the Registry and find and edit every instance.  With some kinds of command line editors this can be accomplished with a single command and a few switches, with which the reference can be deleted or added to or changed as in drive letter or folder locatiion, all with one command.  Bam! Done!
 
  So hopefully this will give some people just the slightest glimpse of how convenient, fast, and powerful the command line can be, and this is but a basic example.  Even if you never "raise the hood" to get involved with nuts and bolts (though I bet you have clicked buttons like the above mentioned "repair" button) these features simply must be available to the tech that fixes your computer for you.  So please try to understand that the command line is power tools for power users and stop bitching.  You need it whether you know it or not.  If you ever desire to actually own your own computer and not leave everything up to somebody else, you will likely find out just how much the command line is your friend.

  Modern distros like Ubuntu rarely need the command line anymore for simple average type usage, but instead of complaining the few times you do, try to realize that in many cases it is the safest and best way to accomplish things, especially low level things that the health of your computer depends on.  When you think you are being forced to use a command, in actuality, you've just been handed The Power and the respect that you apparently have yet to deserve. However, it really doesn't take much to begin deserving it.  Learn how to use the "man" manual pages and worlds will be opened up to you.  If that doesn't appeal to you, buy a copy of "Linux in a Nutshell" and get a glimpse of just how much power we're talking about.  Linux is like a Ferrarri kit.  Learn to use a wrench.

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jberumen

I use Linux since Ubuntu 4, Use Mandrake, Red Hat, SuSe, Debian, Fedora is amazing I love this BUT I'm tired of too many complications.

 But I'm amazed how easy has become Yast and Synaptic is cool enough to let me forget about terminals...but not quite.

 I still need to use that and I feel this too much retro. I love MS-DOS and use Microsoft since MS-DOS 2.11 to Windows Vista, but that time of like MS has almost gone, and I'm tired of Microsoft constant WGA Registration Updater good for nothing attacks. And I hope in Linux this Terminal window use only will change soon. keystokes is out (sorry for is the way it is) Just an Pick-Double click-&-Use. I'm not a power user but like the simplicity od Windows and MacOS. 

PLEAASEEE don't do the RPM, DEB, BIN and too many weird formats. If I use Ubuntu I need .DEB, If I use SuSE I need RPM and so on. Make your mind, this is too confusing for the first timers or nOOBs.

 If Linux wants to gain new users need to me even more friendlier. I still get headaches with WiFi using ndis utilities with all kind of command to make it work, My HP need HSLIP and more.

 And end that 100% need of Internet to work. Linux looks to need Internet too bad. If I don't have Internet access I'm toast since nedd all kind of upgrades to make it work.

I will still use my two favorite distros gOS and SuSe, but need improve more...I see a bright future..If Linux starts to believe in us the little people, the unlighted, the no techies, the no nerds....just the users who wants thes family (with no computer skills either) can use an OS that is really FRIENDLIER. Thanks! 

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laner399

 My advise to you, if you want a distro for your PC which doesn't make you choose between different packaging styles, just stick to a Debian (which has nearly all packages available to linux compiled into it's massive repositories) based distro, and if you want one that is especially user friendly, I strongly reccomend Kubuntu, especially with the new KDE4 desktop. Besides an add/remove programs feature that makes installing software easier than it was ever on Window$, installing openGL features for your video card is easier all the time, and just keeps getting easier, you will find that your system will be correctly configured on a fresh install, with software essentials installed already, and though there is that initial update, it is a breezy proccess requiring no reboots and will complete in less than maybe 20 mins, without any interaction other than to initiate it. But the bueaty of Linux is that its developers have been going all kinds of directions with this adaptable code into all sorts of specialty distros, and has been RULING the hand-held and embedded departments, and soon your Nokia cell will be running Firefox on top of a GNU-Linux shell and will KICK apples to the curb!!!!

 

Linux = the Future NOW!!

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laner399

This article sugests that in a few years that Linux will suck as hard as Window$. That is very sad indeed. For one thing simple technologies were developed in the 90's that prevent your data from being scrambled and re-scrambled all the time which made the defrag "utility" obsolete. Why isn't  M$ using any? Another performace boosting technology which will prevent further scrambling was developed long time ago, so simple that it's impossible to patent- a separate partion for the "swap file" AKA the swap partition. The only other partition besides the window$ boiller-plate partition , on a window$ computer is the recovery one, becuase your computer need it so often... haha what a bunch of lames!!

 

Linux = the Future NOW!!

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Keith E. Whisman

Hey maybe in four years that Eee PC will grow up and grow a pair. I mean at least a dual core processor. The Linux in the pictures is what you can get today. Actually you can make even better. Completely customizable desktop is what KDE and Gnome are all about.

I really don't know why the linux community is against making Linux mostly command prompt free. What is wrong with wanting to double click a program to install it? Why do I need a package manager if I can just download a program and double click it to install it. The program then can automatically make all the settings it needs to do.

I mean come on. The last Windows that needed tweaking via the command prompt was Windows 3.xx

That is many many years ago. I remember having to edit the Win.INI file and the other files to get things deleted or installed properly. It sucked and I'm glad it's over.

This is what makes Linux suck. Not completely but it does suck in this way.

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Devo85x

Well all i can say is, hopefully by 2012 they can make it easier to install new nvidia drivers... took me a wile to figure out what the heck was going on after i had a couple of problems (first i couldnt exit xserver, then i didnt have headers, then i finally got it installed, restarted my computer and it said it still couldnt recognize my card... the problem ended up being that the drivers i was using didnt work after i ran updates... had to download beta drivers to get full support) lol the good thing about windows is you just double click lol

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chris.peplin

For anyone reading a magagine titled MaximumPC, learning the command line is in their best interest. A powerful GUI is great, but if you truly want to get the most from your computer knowing what's going on underneath is required.

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xiqtem

I agree.  Understanding the technology only helps you in the long run.  It eliminates pebkac.

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Keith E. Whisman

http://www.pcworld.com/article/149709/article.html?tk=nl_wvxcol Follow this link. It says at PC world that Microsoft will kill Windows off in favor of internet based computing. What of the HDD and hardware side of things? What will be run on the pc side of things? Will the pc just boot onto the internet instead of a C drive?

Looks like Linux is about to get very popular in a few years. Perhaps extremely popular kinda like the way windows is today. I mean what do you do if you have have internet access for whatever reason? At least linux will boot up and I can do what I need to do. Perhaps Linux will completely get rid of the command line entirely like Windows did and make it as easy as double clicking on a program to install it and have it appear in the Start Menu or the K menu if you prefer.

I've had trouble just trying to install sound card drivers and trying to install shockwave and Flash plugins into firefox within linux is tedious at best if it works. Mostly it does'nt install no matter what even after you study and restudy all the directions.

I like linux but it still stumps me alot after 5 years of playing with it. I just keep going back to windows because it's so much easier to use.

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anonuser

i sure hope it looks better than that, 4 years from now is a long time for an OS to mature. I think they will look alot more polished that the pics in the link.  anyway i see great things for linux/unix OS's. os x, linux, and soon to come googles OS yes "mark my words" sooner then you think, and also microsofts own linux version which they are playing around with now "midori project" very early stages for them. But yes linux / unix OS's will rule the world, probably soon then later. After all the computer revolution did get its start from unix, full circle baby.

 

good times ahead, good times.

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Devo85x

Linux will rule, as long as people like microsoft and google etc... dont mess up linux like mac did... they baised their os on unix and they COMPLEATLY screwed it over lol... i want a unix based os for more control... not less (you hear me steve jobs?)

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Devo85x

Linux will rule, as long as people like microsoft and google etc... dont mess up linux like mac did... they baised their os on unix and they COMPLEATLY screwed it over lol... i want a unix based os for more control... not less (you hear me steve jobs?)

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xiqtem

I agree that Mac messed up their implimentation.  One of the features I love about linux is being able to log in with different desktop environments/gui's/window managers.  It is the flesxability, and security, of the OS that keeps me using it.  Mac ties your hands.

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johnny3144

linux is as real as an OS will get....

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horzo

No argument here...I run a Linux home server, laptop, and desktop at work.

Unfortunately, it always comes back to games. Until we see a significant number of devs & publishers willing to release OpenGL-based games running on Linux in native mode, I have to continue running Windows on my main home desktop.

 

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xiqtem

I think it will be difficult for the game industry to get behind linux until all of the distro's get together and implement some kind of universal package organization so that the game companies can release one game for all linux distro's and not have users struggling to install the software packages required to run it.  Of course having packages in a unified location will make it easier for virus programmers to strike all linux users independant of the distro they use.

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laner399

Since when did all of the distro's files all be at one unified location. Fact check: most distros are mirrored globally, largely at prestigious universities, which often mirror many distros and other GPL'd code, libraries, and applications,  at the same time, and since when was Linux such an easy target?? Linux distros put out only a few exploitable code a year, Vs. one or so a day from M$. That is why it makes such BIG news!!! Half the time they are patched by the time the news breaks, but window$ lubbers love the chance to say "I told you so" so much that they run the stories anyway. 

 

Linux = the Future NOW!!

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pagen64

Linux! Why! get a real OS.

 

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xiqtem

linuxis a real OS.  I use Debian and Mepis a Debian based distro.  In Linux I can use Gimp in much the same way one might use photoshop.  I can browse the Web with Firefox 3, or Opera, or any other browser.  I can do everything that any other user can do with any other OS.  I can do all of these things with less resources and for free.  I just can't play top end games easily.

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Devo85x

I hope your not trying to diss linux...

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