iPhone 4 Siri Hack Proves Apple is Withholding Features to Sell Hardware

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chop_slap

There's always so much drama associated with owning Apple stuff. It's quite peaceful staying away from the evil fruit.

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Keith E. Whisman

I recently switched from an Motorola Cliq2 running Android Gingerbread 2.3.4 at T-Mobile to an Black Iphone 4S 32GB phone on Sprint and I really like it. Unlike my Android phones I dont have the urge to customize my new phone beyond findng the best backgrounds I can find. I paid $299 with a two year contract.This phone just feels like, looks like, and operates like an extremely premium device. That is my opinion and ho I feel about it. It comes down to personal tastes with cell phones these days and I really lik this phone. Siri does kick a lot of ass. you really have to play with before making any judgements.

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kongo117

What people don't know is that Siri is still considered in beta form. if the servers are struggling with the ~4 million iPhone 4s users, constantly not connecting, than try multiplying that by 25 for all the iOS5 users. there's no way that they'll be able to handle that kind of stress. that's the real reason it's not offered on all other devices. until they upgrade their servers to handle the extra traffic, than it'll be a possibility of apple releasing siri in an update, but i highly doubt it.

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Theatre Booth Guy

It's interesting how many people (including the author of this article - who should know better) overlook exactly what you have pointed out.  After suffering with a Palm Pre (minus), I decided to give the 4S a try and agree firsthand that during daytime hours, the Siri system is far slower than late at night when there is less of a load on the system.

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kongo117

exactly. sometimes, in the morning, i can't even connect to siri. i know Apple is trying to keep up with the traffic, and this is just for the 4 million iPhone 4s users, but just trying to imagine what it would be like if all 100 million iOS 5 users had Siri! it's insane!

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keyzs

considering the term used "jailbreak"... LOL!!!

this clearly goes to show how the rotten fruit company treats its prisoners... opps.... i mean customers... LOL!!

only fools will want and pay for a half eaten anything...!!

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tenchi13

I don't see what the big deal is.  It's not the first time a software feature was left out of an older model iPhone (see multitasking and home screen wallpapers) and it won't be the last.  Even if Siri wasn't ported, there would've been a knock-off that clones/improves it.  There still might be.  That's what jailbreaking and Cydia is all about, adding features that Apple won't provide.

If you want iPhone with the improvements, get the 4S.  If not, get a 4.  Think Apple is an overpriced piece of fruit?  Get an Android.  Think Google is ultimately out to peer at you while you're in the shower? Get a Windows phone.  Think Micro$oft has too much of your cash and don't want them on your phone too?  Then carry rolls of quarters and use pay phones.  Find a booth and pretend you're Superman while you're at it.

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Wonko33

F*&%Y$$#en Amen to that

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sundropdrinker3

Best post so far.

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Wonko33

What's up with all the bitchy whinning here? The only thing companies owe us after the sale is a decent amount of support and bug fixing. They don't owe us any upgrades, new features or improvements. It's nice when they do, and I gravitate towards companies that do but I don't walk around crying  like an entitled spoiled child when they don't.

If you bought an iPhone 4 (or anything else), you bought for the features it had and hopefully because you thought it was worth the price. And guess what? you just got a decent upgrade with the new OS, if Android, Apple or anybody else comes up with something new and puts it only on their new phones it sucks but that doesn't mean they owe it to you. 

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bling581

Yeah they do. Can you imagine app developers having to write programs for half a dozen or more versions of iOS just for Apple? I was still on a late version of iOS 3 or early 4 and I finally had to update because several apps I wanted to download required the new iOS 5. If there were no updates and developers only chose to stick with the latest OS version then you'd be screwed.

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Wonko33

i'm not understanding the point you're trying to make

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tomrippity

Companies now are selling products and giving the impression that you WILL be receiving updates, so yes they do owe them to the consumer.  If they don't want people to have those expectations, they shouldn't set them when they sell the product.

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Wonko33

you DID receive an update, it doesn't mean they will give you all the features that were not included when you purchased the phone. As far as I am concerned all they owe me is security updates, bug fixes and performance improvements, the rest is gravy.

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Pyrophorics05

How else would they sell a device that remains nearly unchanged, in any significant way, except for iOS updates.

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Danthrax66

They upgraded it to a dual core with an 8mp camera, and added another antena if I am remembering correctly.

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tony2tonez

a perfect example of capitalism (supply and demand). Everyone outside of isheep saw the for 4gs it really was, improve voice recognation. So the isheep overpaid for voice command and someone to talk to because most cant interact with society anymore.

everyone is bashing corporate greed, but since this is Apple they're ok.

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Zoandar

LOL! I couldn't agree more.

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tekknyne

I'm still laughing- the main pitch for the new iPhone is seriously some stupid voice recognition app? This crap has been around for years and while it's getting better, it's nothing more than a novelty. You go out, you buy it and three weeks later your realize just how much you don't need it. Plus, doesn't the Android market/App store have something like this already?

 

I guess Jobs claimed he was a liberal, but this reeks of supply-side economics.

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Engelsstaub

Believe it or not I'm "laughing" too. I could care less about such a feature. I like my MBP and my iPod 64Gb but have no current want or need for an iPhone. Even if I was an iPhone user this wouldn't bother me the way it bothers people who would never buy one anyway.

It would bother me if Apple purposely bricked the functionality of my devices to get me to buy a new one. That would burn my ass. When I upgraded my (less than two year old) iPod to iOS 5, the Cover Flow functionality became unusable. I'm witholding judgement until an update is released for iOS 5. If it continues beyond that (and there are many in the Apple forums reporting the same problem) then I will be convinced that they are purposely screwing things up to get people to buy new devices. And if you haven't figured out by now, I will piss and moan. It wouldn't be the first time I dropped a steamy complaint on the Apple support forum.

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Deanjo

How is this news? MS for example sells how many versions of their otherwise identical OS with the only difference being the enabled features. AMD sells multicore processors with known good modules disabled and even intel will allow you to buy a scratch off card to magically upgrade your processor. This kind of stuff has been going on for ages everywhere in the tech industry.

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tekknyne

That example is terrible. M$ is saving you money by bundling all the different versions together. Believe it or not, those savings (in printing, materials etc) should translate into a savings for you the paying customer. How is the Siri example saving you money as a paying customer? This is just Apple trying to make the Iphone 4S appear more useful.

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Deanjo

Are you serious? How are items like disabling RDP, Aero, etc "saving" the customer absolutely anything in cost of production? It isn't. Also please note that Apple has never said that Siri would be limited to just the 4s. It has just appeared on the 4s first in it's beta form. I didn't see MS for example bending over backwards bringing DX10 to XP (which it is fully capable of doing as openGL has had the capabilities since 2.1).

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stradric

And consumers should be upset with every single one of those instances you mentioned.  Just because it happens elsewhere doesn't justify the practice.  Also, those examples are kind of weak.

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Deanjo

Why should they be upset? They didn't purchase their older phone with those features did they? It's not like they pulled a Sony and took away capabilities that already existed and were marketed as such.

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Device Unknown

It's not that we just dislike Apple because they over charge people for inferior hardware, it's in addition to their self-sensationalism. For me it's the fact that they(Apple) dictates to the end user what he/she is allowed.

 I'm not into porn but if I wanted it on my phone, I should be allowed. If i wanted to play some crazy app that kills terrorists, I should be allowed (IRL too!, yes i ma a gun toting red neck). So it's not just the crap hardware, it's the dictatorship they hold so dear that we dispise. Every time we seen Jobs up on the stage promoting some piece of shit as the "Greatest thing since sliced bread" we get aggrivated. multiply that over decades of BS marketing and yes, we despise Apple.

Then again. I have NEVER owned an Apple anything. So I could just be shooting blanks here. In all honesty if I was given one I would give it an honest go just to see what all the fuss is about. But no Apple fan will ever release their paws off it to loan it out.

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abowlofsoda

Good to know.  When I upgrade from this craptastic Android device (c'mon May) I'll be getting the iphone4 instead of the 4s.

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j_j_montez

The faster processor and better camera is nice in the 4s, I would spend the extra $100 if you were new to the iphone, but if you're waiting till May, wait and see for the next iphone which would probably be out next summer. This very lame update to the previous iphone 4 is just very frustrating to those who would normally pay full price for the newest thing instead of waiting for their contract to expire.

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Wingzero_x

And how many of the features of Windows 7 could've been put in a service pack to correct the flaws in Vista? But that was never an option because like Apple wants to keep their customers in the fold, Microsoft wants to keep their flock locked in.

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CaptainFabulous

Actually, it's not even close to a similar situation. Microsoft abandoned Vists as quickly as possible because it garned such a horrible reputation. From a purely business point of view trying to add what became Windows 7 into a Vista service pack would have been like putting glitter on a pig. In this instance Microsoft did precisely the right thing. Vista was a misstep. The iPhone 4 wasn't. The 4S is clearly being used as way of milking the iSheeple. They realized they didn't have the tech to make the iPhone 5 but didn't want to sit around and not release something this year so they slapped together the 4S and sat back as the money rolled in.

Considering too that Windows XP is still the #1 OS in the world is another reason why your analogy failed, as it means regardless of the Vista snafu and the subsequent release of Windows 7 there are still millions of PCs that were never upgraded. Unlike Apple, where every single new release has the iPhanbois swarming like bees to the nearest Apple store for the new shiny.

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Wingzero_x

Right abanddoned the OS and users and then charged everybody up to $400 to fix that fiasco. I guess you are right this doesn't compare to that wallet rape! The iPhone 4 works and Vista didn't.

One company wants to keep their customers by making excellent products that their users enjoy using and so they add new features to their new phone and people want to buy it. Microsoft on the other hand made a turd and people have to buy the latest version for a better experience.

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Engelsstaub

iSheep here: Just wanted to share one litlle tidbit with you about my OS X vs. Win 7 experience...

I just happily purchased a new Seagate 3 Tb drive for both my Alienware and my MBP to share (of course I had to format as exFAT.)

Doesn't even feckin' work on Windows 7. Windows won't even find the driver. OS X Lion (of all creatures) works fine. Maybe you can help some iDumbass Mac Head like me out: Why TF do I never have problems with peripherals on a minority OS? I can rattle off two-dozen more examples, but this one will do for now.

I'm not swarming anywhere for anything. I have no interest in an iPhone when I can save all kinds of cash by having a dumbphone from WalMart that costs me only thirty bucks a month. Some of us just want a computer that works like it ought to and doesn't need its OS reinstalled on at least a semi-annual basis to maintain its performance. I can tell you about fifty other reasons why I prefer OS X to Windows but it doesn't really matter. I really haven't thought about it and am just enamored by that which is shiny and makes me look cool at Starbucks or whatever. Plus I paid like ten thousand dollars more for it too.

It wouldn't matter if Apple had the tech to release the iPhone 5. The same people would still find stuff to whine about regarding a company they never patronize. That's the real irony.

Vista was garbage. Rather than make it right with their base, MS just charged them again to have it (usually) right. And then they'll sell you features, like BitLocker encryption, for a 130 dollar upgrade. Shit that just comes standard with Fedora, Ubuntu (if you know what you're doing,) and OS X Lion.

"Baaaaa-aaa-aaa." Tell me truthfully: Based on what you now know about me, am I an iPhanboi or do I just like my expensive stuff to work?

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rawrnomnom

Okay, since your problem is with windows, you should be troubleshooting with windows. Since its a 3t drive i can assume it's not running off of usb power, so thats not an issue. Try different USB ports, over time the connectors can be worn down or become dirty, Clean your ports if its an older PC, try a different cable. If you have the files backed up format it with windows and see if that helps anything. Try a different pc. Obviously since the majority of seagate's userbase is PC versus mac, and they are still selling the units, your troubles are more of a fluke... 

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Gutter96

Are you running Windows 7 64-bit? Is your Windows rig using UEFI or BIOS? Don't be so quick to bash Windows when you may be running into a HARDWARE limitation. Windows doesn't CARE how big the drive is, but the HARDWARE certainly does.

Case in point: I have a Mac Pro with 2 3GHz Xeons, 8GB RAM & a Radeon 6870. Pretty run of the mill hardware that you can find in any Dell or HP workstation. According to Apple, I cannot install 64-bit Windows 7 on it. Why? IT'S AN X64 PC! This is a limitation of the HARDWARE MANUFACTURER. It's because Apple CHOSE to use a 32 bit EFI in it. Making a 64-bit installer unbootable. This was APPLE's choice, NOT Windows. But, after tweaking the install DVD slightly, Windows installs and runs perfectly. My main point is, Mac users like to blame Windows for being hard to get along with. But i've had more problems getting things to "play nice" on my apples than on Windows!

Also you like to complain about file systems not working between OSes... WHY is it then that my Windows 7 rig can mount & read Apple's HFS file system. BUT OS X CANNOT read NTFS without hacking or 3rd party software?? Kinda makes it hard to reboot into Windows when OS X ISN'T AWARE of the drive! Now why does that sound familiar???

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Engelsstaub

I may be quick to bash Windows, but I seriously doubt it's a hardware limitation. Based on the way it behaves: it recognized it at first (after hunting down the driver.) Then it didn't. Then it reinstalled the driver... endless cycle of "I wonder if it will work today? Meanwhile Disk Utility in OSX says it's fine and it does nothing but function as it ought to. On a file system created by Microsoft no less (exFAT.)

Some facts:

OS X Snow Leopard and Lion can read NTFS. It can't write to it without third-party software. (I think Apple has its own, but its a download.) I don't know what Leopard and Tiger do, but those OSes are obsolete.

I've never from personal experience seen Windows even read, let alone write to, a drive with Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Nor should it.

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rawrnomnom

Nope, you're a sheep...

Did you check device manager to see if the disk was being recogniesd but missing a driver

Did you use disk management to see if the drive was assigned to a drive letter? 

 

If not google before you cry about windows not working... 

 

PS, this is maximum pc... not maximum money for less hardware. 

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Wingzero_x

Unless you rolled your own OS, or using one of the extreme alternatives, and I don't even think Ubuntu counts anymore. You too are a sheep.

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Justin.Kerr

Under Disk Utility format the drive as Fat, no exFAT.

As long as you don't have files over 4GB, this is the best way to ensure compatibility.

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Engelsstaub

That's the stick. I work with large files. I always used exFAT because it was a format by MS that works cross-platform.

It work fine with my WD 1Tb drive that I replaced. Thanks for your earnest reply.

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Wingzero_x

Is the version of Windows 7 you are using 64bit? I'm not 100%, but I believe the 32 bit version can only recognize partitions of 2gb or less. If you are using the 32Gb version you can get around this limitation by  just formating the drive drive into smaller partitions.  Another option is using Macdrive by Mediafour.

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Engelsstaub

It's 64 bit.

It's hit or miss. Sometimes Windows recognizes it as though nothing is wrong, most often it does not. I should have formatted it as NTFS but thought it would perform better with MS's own exFAT that OSX could natively read and write to.

Disk Utility on OSX tells me it's fine. I wish I hadn't moved so many files to it before I realized that Windows was going to play Windows games. It worked fine at first. Supposedly found its driver and then (per usual) had to go looking for it again at a later time.

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Asterixx

Charging more for extras, or forcing an upgrade in order to have access to one, is not a new marketing thing. For years automakers have done it. For example GM charges a premium for their 5.3 and 6.0 liter engines in their trucks, even though they cost exactly the same amount to manufacture as the base 4.8 V8 (only the bore and stroke are different). Dodge will happily charge a premium for the Hemi V8 in their trucks, even though it is a much simpler and cheaper to manufacture cam-in-block engine than the 4.7 SOHC V8. It is very common to have to go uplevel when buying a car just to get one feature you wanted (for example had I wanted heated seats in my new Sonata I'd have needed to get an automatic transmission, a $2500 option). And in the computer world, Microsoft has been putting Ultimate versions of its OS's on the same DVD that you buy with the "home" version, but you need to pay more to get an "ultimate" serial number to unlock the ultimate version. And let's not forget the old AMD chips that were "locked" against overclocking but could be unlocked with a pencil... And the 3-core chips that really had 4 cores but one was locked out...

...but yeah, Apple sucks. Not because of this, but yeah, they suck. That being said, can't wait to get my new iPhone 4S...

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stradric

None of those examples are the same as this.  Here we have Apple telling people that Siri won't work on the iP4, and you have to buy an iP4S.  Meanwhile, it does work.  

How does that compare to different engines?  You claim they cost the same to manufacture, but what about testing and R&D?  What about materials?  What about the initial factory investments to build the different engines?  These all justify additional cost for non-standard packages.

With different versions of Windows, there are different features.  It costs money to develop those additional features.  Therefore, it's somewhat justified to charge more for them.  Not everyone needs them, so the people that do have to pay more while everyone else does just fine with the standard featureset.

With those AMD chips, often the cores were locked out because they were defective.  AMD was selling higher end chips more cheaply because not all of the cores were fully functional.  People that unlocked them often experienced problems and instability that wasn't immediately obvious.  They seemed to work, but probably raised a lot of blue screens.

The point of the matter is that Apply is lying to customers.  If you want to play apologist and make excuses for them, then I have to call your integrity into question.

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Wingzero_x

Remember the Halo 2 on PC clause?

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Peanut Fox

 

Meh.  Intel and nVida do this kind of thing all the time.  It seems pretty common in the technology sector for product creators to knee cap their offerings to create a more diverse pricing structure.   Apple's iPhone 4 was looking a little tired.  Without Siri there really seems little compelling reason to upgrade.  So they're segregating the app to make the 4s a more appealing purchase to consumers.

 

Seriously, how many different flavors of Windows are there in different pricing segments per release?

 

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Caboose

"Seriously, how many different flavors of Windows are there in different pricing segments per release?"

For the general consumer, there is Home Premium. For businesses there is Professional, for IT professionals they can use Professional or Ultimate. And server is Windows 2008. THings like Starter Edition, Tablet, etc are for different markets altogether.

Your argument is invalid.

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Peanut Fox

No it's very valid.  It's the same core OS that COULD have those features enabled.  It's not as if the code base between those versions of Windows outside of some of the enterprise verients is significantly different.  Win 7 Pro is the exact same code base as Home or Ultimate.  

What reason do they have outside of creating a more lucrative pricing structure do they have so many different versions of the same OS with limited features per teir?  Why is language support not on all versions?  Is there some special code for multiple languages that only works on Windows Ultimate that Pro or Home can't handle?  Nope.  They just needed a compelling reason to charge more money.  If it was just a space issue it could have been a free optional download.

 

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Jer Stryker

Lots of milk still to be had from the sheep I bet, too.

(though carriers/manufacturers withold Android updates on older phones as well)

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nmanguy

Wow, Apple is shafting their customers. Who would have guessed?

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Engelsstaub

"Who would have guessed?" Well, besides you, this current staff at Maximum PC. It's terribly redundant and irrelevant but all in good fun, yes? The only problem is even hardcore Windows enthusiasts are losing interest becuse it has nothing to do with them. 

This is their jihad; this holy war against the Great Satan Apple  ...meanwhile they sing the praises of anything MS does even when it's the same crap Apple does. (In which case it never gets "researched" with such zeal or even reported at all.)

But I guess there will always be enough of you counter-evangelists, fighting such noble causes, to keep the Andy Rooney of Redundant Punditry going with the same "genius" segment every podcast as well.

There is indeed a bit of a cult that goes with the whole "Apple Experience." This sort of bullshit we see and hear here is just a counter-cult. The significant difference is the aggression and hatred that comes from this imaginary "side." Not just against Evil Apple, but anyone who dares to betray some fake-assed honor code of the PC world by using an Apple product.

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