Intel Shows Off A Windows 7 Computer With A Thunderbolt Port

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jimmythestu

That was the main purpose for going ahead and getting a Mac for work.  I could get both OS's easier on one machine and a kickass port on the side to hook up high speed storage or display or whatever.  I have a need to be in both and was thinking hackintosh to get better video cards and the like.  I was getting hung up on the USB 3 thing till I came to my senses.  And the guy made mention of the Thunderbolt port coming out on Asus machines.  I'm all about easier and less work.  It's just easier on a Mac and legal

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spindel

What is wrong with you? Apple may have been the first to get thunderbolt but it's Intel's baby so it was always destined for the PC. Even now, Intel still refuses to support USB 3.0 natively which is why we need special drivers just to limp along at speeds below it's theoretical limit. Why? Because Intel wants to replace every thing with Thunderbolt. Spec wise, Thunderbolt is supposed to be at least twice as fast as USB 3.0  and there's one thing I know, Intel gets what Intel wants.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/intel_debut_light_peak_thursday_apple_calls_it_thunderbolt

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Holly Golightly

Ugh, Apple can keep their proprietary connectors. I never understood the hype behind the Thunderbolt when we have better things out there like USB 3.0, a wireless connections. What do the mac people even use that connection for anyways? I am sure it is not for iTunes, and their best selling products. No, that is stuck in the USB 2.0 days. I see Thunderbolt like I see eSata and FireWire... That port nobody really uses.

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spindel

Maybe you should read the article before you make comments. Thunderbolt is Intel, not Apple and Intel gets what Intel wants. Also, USB 3.0 = 5 Gbps, Thunderbolt = 10 Gbps both ways. I love my USB 3.0 but once I get a computer with Thunderbolt, there wont be any going back.

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Holly Golightly

Umm, maybe it should be YOU who reads the article. Intel worked on this with Apple... For as far as I am concerned, it belongs to Apple. Because whatever Apple does, the sheeple will follow.

Nobody really cared for Intel's FireWire, and the only thing that took advantage of e-Sata external hard drives. I use USB flash drives. There is no such thing as e-Sata flash sticks, or FireWire flash sticks either. 

Fact, USB 2.0 was more successful than Intel's FireWire despite the fact that Intel had the more faster port. You want to know why? Because Intel does not always get what they want. They make great chips, but other than their CPUs, they have not been that far successful in anything else.

So, while you enjoy your big bulky Thunderbolt external mini-server that is twice the speed more people even care about today, I will stick to the mainstream USB 3.0 small and slim flash drives. Plus, none of my files are even big enough to take advantage of the 10Gbps or even the 5Gbps either. So as far as I am concerned, those numbers mean nothing because I am not transferring anything of that side. I can see pirates taking advanatage of the speed when ripping Blu-Rays... But I rather stick to downloads. Plus. I really hate having a bunch of wires just laying around. Wireless is in fact, the future!

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phoenixjc

Really, you should stop commenting on things that you have no f-ing clue about.

Firewire actually was used extensively in high end digital cameras and is the only connector on many of Sony's professional video cameras.  So actually it was cared about by a lot of people, which if you go back to your kindergarden math class, is more than none (or nobody as you stated). 

"...the only thing that took advantage of e-Sata external hard drives." Really?  Do you have any idea what e-SATA is?  I don't think you do.  Here is the wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esata#eSATA .  So, according to this article, and common sense applied by anyone who has some idea of how a computer works, e-SATA was only designed for external hard drives.

"Fact, USB 2.0 was more successful than Intel's FireWire despite the fact that Intel had the more faster port." Ok, firstly, I wan't to know where you get your facts.  Are they just in your head?  Because if that is the case then it isn't a "fact".  I have seen you make grand statements like this before.  Also, how do you define successful?  Is it because it was more popluar?  Well as some of my old high school aquantances have found out, popularity doesn't make you successful.  It can be considered a success, but so can firewire.  Firewire was more successful than USB when you look at specific markets.  I am guessing you are probably refering to its success at becoming mainstream.  So yes, when you quantify successful then your "fact" has merit.

Also, more faster?  Really? You need to get "more better" at communicating in english.

"You want to know why? Because Intel does not always get what they want. They make great chips, but other than their CPUs, they have not been that far successful in anything else." I beg to differ.  Intel is the worlds largest manufacturer of chipsets and video cards.  I would say that is something else that they have been successful in, actually two things.  Also, despite the fact that it shouldn't be this way, Intel usually gets what they want.  So maybe not always, but more frequently than you are alluding to.

"So, while you enjoy your big bulky Thunderbolt external mini-server that is twice the speed more people even care about today, I will stick to the mainstream USB 3.0 small and slim flash drives." I am still trying to figure out what you are talking about here.  You say big bulky, and then follow it with mini?  Come on.  Pick a size and stick with it.  Also you think a server is what is intended to be connected with Thunderbolt?  Wow, just WOW.

"Plus, none of my files are even big enough to take advantage of the 10Gbps or even the 5Gbps either. So as far as I am concerned, those numbers mean nothing because I am not transferring anything of that side." Since you are not aware of how a computer works, I will let you in on a little secret: statements like this are what us educated PC users call ID10T problems.  Could also be a PEBKAC issue.  To figure out why you actually would take advantage of a 10 Gigabits Per Second transfer rate, go google "bit rate". Also, it's size, not side.

"I can see pirates taking advanatage of the speed when ripping Blu-Rays... But I rather stick to downloads. Plus. I really hate having a bunch of wires just laying around. Wireless is in fact, the future!"  You have a very narrow view if you can't see the benefits of a faster connector.  Also you seem to think that only pirates rip disks?  Go and google "fair use law" and you will see that it is not an act of piracy to rip a disk.  One part of the process to rip a disk is illegal, breaking the encryption, but you are legaly allowed to make a copy for yourself.  Yes, yes, wireless is the future.  But I still see a lot of reason for wires...maybe you should adjust your view.

 

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Holly Golightly

Dude, WTF????? Your statement is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long to read!!! Do you have a life? Apparently not, because you are writing an autpbiography or something long. Nobody cares to read long ass statements. Keep it short, and keep it real... Werd to big byrd u nerd!!!

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phoenixjc

 

I am sorry that large words frighten you.  I should have realized that you need pictures.

Let me sum it up for you: You are wrong.  You make statements that have no logical or factual backing in what most of us refer to as the real world.  You make people who actually have experience working with computers and know what they are talking about get headaches.  RESEARCH what you are talking about before you talk, as you just make yourself look dumb.  Since you don't seem to realize it yet, you are commenting on articles written for a magazine that caters to people who eat, breathe, and live computers. Effectively, a magazine who's target demographic is nerds and geeks.

Go find another website to spout your uneducated drivel.

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Holly Golightly

I do not need to do research, it is common knowledge that Intel's FireWire was not widely accepted as a the standard in comparison to USB 2.0! No phone chargers ever used FireWire, no iPods, no keyboards and mice, not even external DVD drives. This is why most of today's motherboards do not even use Intel's FireWire. Intel has a history of failed attempts. There is no arguing that they make great CPUs, because they do. But other than that, they failed in just about anything else. Remember BTX? That did not last very long, now did it? How about the Intel Atom Processor? That thing is a joke. And you watch, Thunderbolt is no different from FireWire. The future is definitely wireless anyhow.

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phoenixjc

 

OK Troll.  You don't need to do any research?  Lets start by looking at "Intel's FireWire".  Here is what we get when we go to the wikipedia page for "firewire":

FireWire is Apple's name for the IEEE 1394 High Speed Serial Bus. It was initiated by Apple (in 1986[2]) and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics).

Strange, I don't see Intel listed as a contributor there.  Hmm...strange.  So it is common knowledge that you are wrong, almost all the time.

So, do a little research, you will find out why there are no firewire keyboards and mice (hint: it has something to do with what the standard was originally developed for).

And really, f-off and go bother someone else.  If you want to have more fun trolling, I would suggest Mac Life, because as I am sure you know, nothing is better than a flame war with an apple fanboy.

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Holly Golightly

It is natural that you would omit things. Plus, you posted those red links, which is what those spammers do. Are you trying to give my computer a virus? How about, no thank you! Again, todays motherboards do not use FireWire, and I highly doubt they are going to use Thunderbolt. Waste of time and company money. No surprize you would use Wikipedia as your source. Lazy, lazy. Don't you know just about anybody can log in and change it. It seems you belong to Mac Life more than I do. Since you own, know, and love everything Apple, Mr.Thunderbolt, son of FireWire. I am Windows all the way.

"I'm a PC and Windows 8 was my idea."

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Engelsstaub

Windows 8 was Apple's idea. MS tried and failed at tablets long ago and now they are going to try again because of the iPad. Chasing after some of the Apple dollars.

I respect Widows but think that MS does its best work as exemplified by XP and 7, not "me too" copycat shit. They were a bit smarter than that in the past. We'd be nowhere without MS's past efforts.

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Engelsstaub

If, as you've stated, "whatever Apple does the sheeple will follow" is true than how do you logically follow this with comparisons to FireWire and other failed attempts at a mainstream USB alternative? Just wondering. Shouldn't Thunderbolt be the next big thing, regardless if you personally like it, since Apple's behind it? The sheeple shall surely follow!

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Holly Golightly

Yeah, the very same sheeple like you and him! You do realize that you and your buddy there are on the minority. 90% of the world STILL uses Windows as their main OS... While only that loud and roudy 10% choose to go with iOS, iPad and whatever other iDevi¢e main OS. Most people use USB 2.0, not because of speed, but because it is widely accepted. I have never seen a flash drive use a firewire port. By the way, that is also intel's failed attempt against the USB interface. Thunderbolt wont be the next big thing. That I can assure you. Just look at how Blu-Ray was suppose to be "the next big thing" because of its' superior storage size... Only to be humiliated by digital downloads. The future is all about a digital tomorrow. To be free of any ugly wires. Back to the present... USB 3.0 is backwards compatable... But I can not say that with Thunderbolt. Every device I have now is USB. I am pretty sure your devices are too. There are more than 10 billion USB devices in our planet. Do you think everybody is just going to throw away their USB devices in favor of Thunderbolt? Not bloody likely, fellow dreamer. Plus, what wired keyboard and mouse would even take advantage of 10Gbps? It is safer to go with the cheaper alternative that is already backwards compatable with your old devices. So yes, you go ahead and buy the latest mac whatever and enjoy another failed attempt by Intel.

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maroci

"Yeah, the very same sheeple like you and him! You do realize that you and your buddy there are on the minority. 90% of the world STILL uses Windows as their main OS..."

Ah, so you're impressed by what 90% of the world runs, and Apple people are "sheeple."  Gotcha.  If only you had the intellectual capacity to understand irony...

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Engelsstaub

"90% of the world uses Windows!" Well whoopty-fucking-do. So those who don't use it are the sheep? Where's your impeccable logic there? The truth is you have none.

Your rants usually boil down to this: "You don't use what I like so you're stupid." I saw your recent one regarding laptops. When you're not busy running down "stupid Apple sheep" you're on some tirade against a fellow Windows user who's supposed to be on your same imaginary side.

We're all human beings typing here, not sheep or any other species. Some of us will make product choices based on stupid reasons and some won't. It applies as much to Wintrolls as it does "me and my buddy there." I'm pretty sure "my buddy" sounded like a Windows user like yourself. As for me: I personally don't feel the need to tell people what they should and shouldn't use and appreciate. Yes I have a Mac. I also have an Alienware running Win7 and Fedora Linux that cost far more. I don't evangelize others to use any OS or Macs/WinPCs. I'm just not obtuse and closed-minded.

I know a lot of people who use BluRay. A lot. It wasn't meant to make DVDs or digital downloads obsolete. It was just another format to fill a niche. Your problem is you see a world where only one thing should be the standard.

I won't have to buy another Mac to "enjoy Intel's failed attempt." I could just get a Windows PC soon with such a port whether you like it or not. I'm betting it will still have USB ports (2.0 and 3.0.) I think "the majority of us sheep," Wintrolls and Mac-clones, understand that it's better to have choices. My MacBook Pro isn't just sporting a Thunderbolt port, you know. I make pretty good use of the eSata port on my PC as well.

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Holly Golightly

Gosh, your set up must be a mess! Sooo many wires everywhere. Your PC is capable of doing everything your mac can, PLUS run every program known to the world. That fact that you even have a mac proves that you already have bad taste. Gosh, you should stick to Mac Life, that is totally the site for you!

As far as laptops verses tablets... Everybody knows that tablets give you a truly mobile experience. They also last around 7 to 10 hours. Laptops only do half as much. If I want power, I use my overclocked desktop. If I want mobility, I use a tablet. There is no advantage a laptop has over a desktop or a tablet pc.

Laptops are a stepping stone to tablets, and it is time to upgrade from your clam-shell device to something truly mobile with a sleek touch interface. Windows 8 is the new beginning while you are stuck to the stone age.

Most people will upgrade to a digital future where everything is wireless. No more will we see more plastic being used. Digital downloads will go beyond 1080p with unlimited storage. To think of all that plastic wasted to make DVDs and Blu-Ray. Niche market my arse! You either upgrade or fall behind. The future is coming fast. Anybody who follows Apple is a sheep, like you. Yes, soon, you too will be wearing a black turtle neck with blue jeans. Where everything you say starts with the letter "i" and you wont buy anything that starts with a capital letter.

As far as 90% of the world runs Windows... Yes, the reason why is we do not have much of a choice. You either get an OS that run every program known to man, or buy an obsolete OS that does not run anything at all... Yet somehow, Macs cost more than PCs. That makes their minds as small as a sheep's. I'd rather save more money, and buy an OS that runs every program. Plain and simple.

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maroci

"Laptops only do half as much."

Well, Winblows laptops only do half as much.

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maroci

"Gosh, your set up must be a mess! Sooo many wires everywhere."

Actually thanks mosty to Apple, wires aren't nearly the problem they used to be.  But I guess you wouldn't know anything about that.  You don't seem to know anything about anything else.

"Plain and simple."

Yes. I'm quite sure that's all you can handle.  Especially if you actually imagine that Winblows can run every piece of software.

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Engelsstaub

My reason for owning a Mac has nothing to do with taste. Perhaps it's you that thinks of your computers/devices as fashion accessories? I won't even bore you with the Mac-exclusive software I use because you've likely not heard of any. I'll fairly admit that it probably makes the most sense to use Windows if one is only using one computer.

Macs are a little expensive (I think you missed the word Alienware in my previous posts and the fact that my PC cost twice as much.) I figure my MBP costs on average about $300 USD more than a well-made comparable PC laptop. Here's a few reasons why I found it to be a comparable value: 1.) OSX comes with all of the features that I need and would have to upgrade to Win 7 Ultimate to get (there's about half of that three hundred bucks right there.) 2.) The aforementioned battery-life which far exceeds that of any Windows laptop known to me. (Can't really put a price on that, though. I'll bet some people would gladly pay $300 to make their Windows laptop last 8+ hours.) 3.) The trackpad that doesn't suck. (Also pretty priceless.) 4.) The customer support that has been better than expected for me and everyone I personally know. I've had nothing but shit customer service from PC manufacturers (yet I still use them. IDK.) Go look at Dell's website and see what they charge for "premium" warranties. Pretty much the standard in PC-land. I've gotten Macs fixed out of warranty without buying extended warranties. Meanwhile the "premium" warranty I paid $400 dollars for (because God knows I would need it) still won't buy me ten minutes on the phone with some guy in Pakistan that I can not understand. He wants to charge my credit card 60 bucks an hour because it's somehow my fault that the drivers don't work, the sound is terrible, and I can't play anything on the DVD drive due to driver conflicts etc. Meanwhile my "overpriced Mac" just works as they say. And runs all of the software I need it to. I even rip BluRays on my Mac. 5.) Security (for now.) No explanation needed. It's not the 90% and it's Unix.

Gaming generally sucks on the Mac, so I'll be using a PC as well for those. But I really don't need one for anything else at all. If I didn't play the occasional PC game I'd be virtualizing Windows on a 27" iMac for the one or two programs Windows is good for to me.

...there's some (lol) of my real reasons for owning a Mac. Not what you imagine, especially about some random on the 'net you couldn't possibly know. I don't give a rat's-ass about turtle-necks or how shiny it is. If it makes you feel better about yourself to stereotype others, than just carry on because I'm finished now.

Tablets last around 7-10 hours? (Maybe if it's an iPad.) My MBP lasts that long and does what I need it to do. So it's the right choice for me. But I'm not here to say you're stupid just because it's not the same for you. I'm also not here to stereotype fellow humans that I couldn't possibly know based on some bullshit prejudices about "the type of person who buys an Apple product" or some other nonsensical ignorant crap.

Also: if you see Windows 8 as the future, know well which company pushed the future in that direction. MS has yet to show us a tablet that runs its OS that anyone is buying. All we can do is hope for now. MS benefits from Apple's existence just as Apple once benefited from the Gates Bailout. It's far better to live and let live and learn from each other. This applies to our personal relations with one another as much as it does tech.

I do read Mac|Life. I read a lot of Macintosh-centric stuff. The problem is I'm not a Mac-centric person. So, if you don't mind, I'll continue to stick around here for a bit too.

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maroci

Don't forget the vastly better resale value of Apple computers.  A user Winblows PC is worth next to nothing.  Apples are actually less expensive in the long run.

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Nimrod

I hope it gets here soon also but i cant really see what advantage it will have for anything right now that USB3 doesnt. External memory cards/sticks/HDDs all already upload at their native speed over USB3. But it wouldnt hurt to have both.

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Engelsstaub

It's even in the interest of Apple's user-base that Windows gets Thunderbolt soon. Once it's commonplace on PCs the peripherals will me much more common and much less expensive. 

Users of both platforms will essentially benefit.

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