Intel Says Company Committed to Sockets

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ChloeGreen22

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bdwoolman

Hmmm. Codenamed Broadwell. Perhaps after the Petraeus scandal they might want to change the codename. Then again? Maybe not.

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whr4usa

what an unproductive comment; fitting for this useless rumormill story, I suppose?

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adobepro

Would OEM's really want this? I mean, if a motherboard goes bad, the OEM would have to replace not just the MB, but the CPU too? That's a much bigger cost. Isn't cheaper to swap the MB and keep the existing CPU? I thought having FRU's was the ideal path for everyone, from manufacturing to support to the DIY end-user. What about MB vendors, like Gigabyte, Asus, etc...what's going to happen to them? Are they going to invest in configurations that they hope will sell as one unit now that there's no choice? Seems like it's going to get worse with this approach, like being forced into 16x9 displays that we no longer have a choice of getting 16x10 because not of innovation, but because it's simply cheaper, saving a few pennies with the market players all huddling up to convince us that we need 720/1080P resolutions at the same price as the 16x10 AR type (of course, they pocket the difference, no savings to us) At home, our computers are Desktop Workstations, not Playstations / TV sets; but that's a whole other topic. I really hope AMD improves and offers the much needed competition that we don't see in the CPU market to offset this direction. It will help when one company wants to stray in any direction it pleases regardless of it P/O its customer base simply because they can for whatever reason and there are no other real choices.

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beta212

Foreseeable future = 1 year until they forget about this promise.

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Nyarlathotep

I see this becoming more likely as more subsystems are integrated in the processor package. If this trend continues we will probably reach a point where the motherboard essentially just facilitates connections to peripherals. At that point there really is no reason to upgrade a CPU or motherboard separately. In addition to increasing the speed of subsystem interconnects this would also reduce the cost of manufacturing.

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whr4usa

smart man.

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TheZomb

Then raspberry pie comparison to the NUC computing unit is interesting, but it seems like comparing a squirrel to a bear. A better comparison is something like the beagleboard xm which has a similar foot print and is also an ARM linux computer, but with a dual core processor and a lot more power and capability also closer to the price range of the NUC. The Raspberry pi and the NUC clearly aren't meant for the same market

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whr4usa

I continue to be amazed by how some of the brightest fellow technical minds around (including MaxPC) continue to report rumors like these, despite us already knowing for certain no such thing can happen!! what do I mean by that..? Intel's well-documented and highly-predictable tick-tock;

- release new architecture with new socket
- shrink manufacturing process of existing architecture REQUIRING EXISTING SOCKET though usually involving new chipsets and faster memory
- release newer architecture with newer socket
- further shrink lithography of newer arch. in **same socket** etc.

so if sandy and ivy bridges used 2011 and haswell is the tock around the corner then does anybody think there's a slight chance broadwell will require haswell's own socket..?

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aarcane

I can guarantee first hand that BGA and sockets can coexist. It simply requires a different mechanism and a slight modification to your retention logic. I've removed and replaced a BGA "Chip" in a device and replaced it recently as part of a DIY repair. it was held in with a retention clip in a bracket. Sadly, I don't recall what the product was, or I would provide more details, but the point remains that BGA != soldered

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bittertruth

Thank you Sir.
This is something I've never seen before.
But since my galaxy note 2 is also my PC with some extra adapter hanging to it, this box definitely looks neat, to what extent they're going to shrink it? Is nano technology running amok in PC world now? That thing looks amazing.

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Ghost XFX

Talk is cheap. Prove it Intel.

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beta212

100% agreed, they need to prove it.

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dc10ten

this is all fine and dandy for the cpu side of things

why have we never seen sockets for gpu's? think of how many iterations of GDDR3 and GDDR5 we have gone through or WILL go through in the last few generations of graphics cards. (i also submitted this question to the podcast)

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gordonung

I'd guess it isn't done today (I can't say it's never been done) because the memory interface is a very important of GPU performance. They use very wide, very fast memory interfaces and need the fastest memory they can get to not be bottlenecked by the RAM. A socket might inhibit that, especially since they cut down the memory inteface for different models. Also, the GPU is very space constrained. Adding a socket to it would eat into the space, add complexity and cost to the design. One of the theories on why a BGA/PGA type setup for CPUs would not actually "hurt" that much is very few people ever upgrade or change their CPU. If you are running a Core 2 Quad and decide to upgrade to Core i7, you pass down the board with the processor. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but the vast majority of PC users don't take full advantage of the sockets they are given. However, the vast majority MPC readers and enthusiasts do take advantage of it.

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vrmlbasic

My AMD system currently has a 990FX board in it. When I upgrade from my Phenom II to Piledriver I'll be recycling the board as AMD has yet to come out with a newer chipset for manufacturers to put into new boards AFAIK.

Since the only motherboard I could really buy would be identical to the one I have I see no point in doing so.

Point being, there's at least 1 more person around who will upgrade his CPU but not his motherboard, backing up that last sentence.

Though I'd expect this from the company that infamously tried to sell hardware that was artificially gimped and could be ungimped remotely by Intel to give the user an "upgrade".

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ApathyCurve

"If you are running a Core 2 Quad and decide to upgrade to Core i7, you pass down the board with the processor."

Which is why I consider this whole brouhaha pointless. I've been building systems for 20 years, and only once did I upgrade a CPU on an existing mobo. These days, I generally build a new gaming box every two years and a new box for my wife every three. On that kind of time scale, I will get a new mobo with the new chip anyway, because I'm jumping over a generation (or two) of CPU and memory.

I guess that means I'm not really an "enthusiast," doesn't it? I can live with that.

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Nimrod

So the question no ones asking is this; why couldnt intel move to BGA on a dedicated board that then slaps into very high speed interface on the mobo similar to the P3? That would allow for the advantages of BGA and interchangeable procs at the same time would it not?

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streetking

From what I gathered from these articles, the advantages of BGA are compactness and lower production costs. Wouldn't your suggestion effectively nullify the advantages?

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Nimrod

no because thats not the advantage. The advantages is that it can be significantly faster when its soldiered directly to the same PCB that the CPU is on.

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HiGHRoLLeR038

Thank you, Gordon!

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Led Weappelin

I fear the end of the socketed CPU from Intel and AMD is closer than they are letting us know. But I see the end of a socketed CPU creating a whole new market for a new company to cater to the gaming communities needs.

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Strangelove_424

Sock it to me! … Get it? Socket to me… sock it to me… Ahhhhhh, shit, nevermind.

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radioman70

Glad to see no BGA for the near future. HP's BGA on their graphics chips in the DV 2000,6000 and 9000 series laptops were a nightmare. Seriously a design flaw on their part, and they barely made any effort to make it right with customers. As a DIY enthusiast, I think it would be a huge mistake to underestimate the depth of the market their would be P-Oing.

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ddsloan96

Thanks for clearing this up and replying to my email.

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renodude18

Its good to hear that they aren't going the BGA route after all just yet but the fact that they just said "...and will continue to offer socketed parts in the LGA package for the foreseeable future for our customers and the Enthusiast DIY market", To me that doesn't sound like they are going to keep making new Socketed parts that they'll continue offering old socketed parts just not anything new except maybe in the server space where parts like that are a requirement in case of failure.

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lindethier

That is what I got out of it as well. This would a horrifying direction for Intel to go in for system builders.

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renodude18

Yeah makes me wonder if I should go Intel or AMD for my next build in a few months.

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