Indiana Dumps Cursive For Keyboarding Skills

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winmaster

I believe that both typing and cursive are important. Obviously typing is important because of the world we live in, but cursive is far from dead. I use cursive all the time in school (I will be a senior this year). Most of my smaller homework assignments are worksheets where I write right on what the teacher gives me. In this case, cursive is much faster than writing block letters. Of course, it is also necessary to learn a little bit of cursive to sign one's name.

In addition, cursive is useful on standardized tests, where no electronic devices are allowed, save for a calculator. I suppose I could type my writing response on my TI-83, but that would be a hellish experience, and it can't print.

Seriously, do you guys really believe that the entire world will become electronic and you'll never write anything?

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bikerbub

i have to say, i think that Cursive has become a relic, only to be thrown away by time. The only thing i use cursive for is my signature, which consists of 9 different cursive letters, and even then, it's barely legible. As with most signatures. Working in retail, i get to see many a signature for credit card transactions, and most are just random scribbles.

the only one other time i've used cursive was to write out the "anti-cheating" statement on the SAT, which was the most retarded thing i've ever had to do for a test. It had to be in cursive, or it wasn't eligible. what for? It's all english!

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winmaster

They made you write the statement on the SAT because then they can verify your hadwriting should you be accused of doing what you said you would not do in said statement. I believe people under 18 actually are not 100% responsible for behaving according to contracts that they've read and signed, hence you must write it out.

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JoetheMobster

how about typing in a cursive font? (hehe - couldn't resist)

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d3v

Had to look up what cursive was. I didn't know they had special classes for that. Isn't this something you develop on your own once you learn to write?

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winmaster

You don't remember elementary school? Cursive is completely different from block lettering. Block lettering is taught as soon as the concept of writing can be understood. Cursive is taught afterward once you've mastered block lettering, but the methods of writing the words are completely diifferent.

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d3v

No I wasn't taught cursive in primary school in Sri Lanka. World wide web remember?

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skirge01

Most people here are showing how very young, naive, and inexperienced they are.  They've apparently never owned a house, opened a bank account, tried to get a credit card, or had to sign any legal documents.  When you go buy a house, see how many times you need to sign your name.  When you open a bank account, see if it can be done entirely on the computer (possible, yes, but still not common).  When you sign any contract for employment, an NDA, or apply for insurance, good luck if you can't sign your name.  I'm sure employers will be beating down your door.

Now get off my lawn!  BTW, I'm only in my 30's and work in IT.

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TerribleToaster

You do realize that even if kids no longer learn cursive as class, they can still learn to use it for sigining?

You don't need an entire class subject over multiple years donated to an art form you will only use to sign your name. It really doesn't take that much effort to learn to sign your name. I spent about a tenth as much time learning to drive a car at most.

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Ghok

Yeah. This is about priorities. Typing skills trump cursive. It's not like it's something that can't be learned or taught.

Do you really think that if children don't learn cursive writing they'll never be able to sign their name, and therefore never own a house or a credit card? I see a lot of signatures, and I assure you, if you want to base it on that evidence alone, few people use cursive correctly.

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roleki

Cool, the kids of Indiana will be taught to respect the Bible and love the Constitution, and be unable to read either.  

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

LOL!!!

Yeah, we're a bit upset over our state government using our tax dollars to provide religious instruction to grade school children, there being that whole separation of church and state thing. But most of our voters are older whites, who eat that shit up, and are too stupid to realize what the government's really up to.

Seriously, Indiana is the stinking asshole of America.

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Cleaver

You know which commenter I think is the stinking asshole of this website? Its you, Ruse. Are you surprised? Do you know what logical fallacy I am employing? If you say Ad Hominem, you're wrong. Do you know why? Because I'm not calling you a stinking asshole as a rebuttal to whatever points you were trying to make, I'm just trying to kindly let you know that I've ignored all your points ever since you suggested hacking the CIA, bombing political officials in DC, and so forth. Only stinking assholes make those kind of comments. 

Sadly, the comments on this site go pretty much unmoderated, so comments that are inciteful and stupid (which almost all of yours are, and I'll admit, this one is pretty inciteful) are allowed to stand and piss off the readers. Hopefully most of the people reading this comment will agree with me though. Troll.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

You poor dear.

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andrewc513

Never been to Mississippi, have you? You have it soooo much better.

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Techrocket9

I remember a palm pilot that had cursive as its text input method. No on screen keyboard and no print. Cursive letters were recogized by the digipin and nothing else.

 

(shudder)

 

 

Ah, the bad old days.

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TerribleToaster

 

Those weren't cursive; they were called Graffiti and Graffiti 2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS)

Cursive allows for words to be written in a single stroke, Graffiti only allows single stroke characters (since the pad only had space for a single character).

Graffiti was also one of the most poorly designed writing styles ever invented, mostly because it made you alternate between writing the characters right-to-left and left-to-right instead of being all in the same direction. But also because most characters were similar to each other (like C, O, Q, 0, 6, and 9).

 

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SeverianSilk

I lol'd at that last quote. Aside from the apparent discrepancies in the educational system: 1. Signatures are hardly anything close to proper cursive, 2. The only time I use anything close to cursive is signing papers or paychecks, and C. I think those are the only times I even use a pen these days (aside from accessing a reset button). 4. Android dictionary didn't even have the word "cursive" in it until I just typed it in.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

I understand this is giving most geeks wet dreams, but here's a little background:

These days, Indiana's government is extremely hostile toward public school teachers and students. Governor Mitch Daniels and his lapdog education secretary, Tony Bennett, have embarked on a campaign to destroy public education across the state and privatize the entire system.

In short, they are looking to replace traditional public school educators with a temporary, high-turnover work force, a system sure to save the state billions by reducing quality of service. The state now hires unlicensed teachers, has irradicated teacher salary schedules, and removed all labor rights. Indiana is one of the worst states in the nation to teach in.

This isn't being done to help the kids compete in a global marketplace. This is just one of the many programs the state is looking to cut.

The rest of you are on the outside looking in, without any idea of what it's like here.

I used to dream of making the world a better place. Now I dream about getting the hell out of Indiana.

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TommM

Now if you had said this to begin with instead of your snarky, "I know everything and you don't" original comments, we could have had a reasonable discussion.

I appreciate that you're passionate about teaching.  My brother and his wife are both high school teachers and are also very passionate about doing the right thing for their students. I hear their government vs. academics arguments all the time.

But in this case - and as Ghok stated below - for a lot of us, this has nothing to do with "the destruction of public education."  Cursive writing is like Latin, it's dead and it's time to move on.  Teaching cursive takes forever.  I vividly remember as a child writing a single cursive letter line after line, page after page until it was perfect.  And then learning how to connect that with another letter to form words and ultimately sentences.  It would take a fraction of the time to teach keyboarding to do the same thing.

I personally see no difference in a teacher telling a student, "I want a 3-page written report on South Africa," only they're typing it instead of writing it in cursive.  They still have to formulate the thoughts, do the research and compose it.  Only typing, they can be thinking about their text and what they're writing instead of carefully making sure they're writing within the lines using proper cursive.  Not only that, but teachers now insist on typed documents so they can read what the hell the student has put down.

Seriously - everything evolves and we've evolved past the use of cursive writing.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

How many eight-year-olds do you think write a three-page paper on anything?

Yeah, you're an expert. What was I thinking, crossing you?

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ramblerblake

"I personally see no difference in a teacher telling a student, 'I want a 3-page written report on South Africa,' only they're typing it instead of writing it in cursive."

 

If you highlight that quote and then use ctrl+f to search for "eight-year-olds" you get no results. I believe he/she was talking about a student that was perhaps in high school instead of the third graders (I believe) that MaximumPC was talking about. Maybe you read the post wrong.

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someuid

I think the big question should be - what are the private schools going to do?

You know that if today's rich parents are teaching their kids cursive, and the public school kids aren't taught, the ability to write cursive will be yet another measuring stick to keep people of lower status in their place.

Yeah, I know, pretty freakin' harsh.  But it is the truth.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Yes, it is.

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Dartht33bagger

I'm glad to see cursive finally go.  I remember having to learn how to write cursive in the 3rd grade and my parents always said "It's important to learn how to write it because in the future teachers will require you to write all your papers in cursive".  Well I learned how to write cursive in 3rd grade and took all of the tests for it, and then never used it again.  I just graduated from high school in June, and I haven't once used cursive since 3rd grade.  I write everything in print (including my signature) because I honestly don't remember how to write anything in cursive.

Not to mention cursive is terriblely hard to read.  Half the time I don't even know what my parents have written down because cursive is such scribble.

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therestorestore

Cursive writing is about as useful as king james english.

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BadCommand

I would submit that in order to regain our competitive edge in the global economy the nation should be striving to increase our knowledge, rather than reducing it.

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Blues22475

Typing is becoming more and more important as you're going to be doing alot of it by the way society is moving. I do remember, though, being taught to use cursive, but when I asked why we are learning it, I never got a straight answer from my teacher (aside from the "to sign your name with" response).

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Because computers never break and can't be disabled in any way, shape, or form, this is a great idea.

They should also get rid of art, music, and physical education, because that shit doesn't matter, either.

They should close all schools and hand parents a laptop with the birth of each child. Since parents are already so involved in their children's lives, they'll have no problem making sure their kids are studying away while mom & dad are both at work.

Since none of you are actual educators, I understand how it is you have your heads up your asses regarding the issue.

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TommM

Wow...

No one ever mentioned not teaching kids how to write block style, or read.  It's about exchanging a USELESS skill that no one uses other than for a signature, for a USEFUL skill that everyone needs to make their way through a 21st century life, Mr. Educator.

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big_montana

How is writing in cursive a useless skill? Obviously you do not work for  a company where anything electronic is banned from meetings, as the clickity clacking of the keyboards is distracting, not to mention RUDE! So, you take notes, and cursive is much quicker than printing (or block style as you refer to it). Get a job at company that honors etiquette in the boardroom, and you will understand writing (cursive) in not so useless after all.

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Krtek

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Hardly.

It's about cutting programs. It's about standardized tests. It's about a lot of things that, frankly, you wouldn't understand.

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Ghok

I understand what you're saying, but this article is about learning typing over cursive writing. I agree with you in your support of teachers, and that is an issue I'm very concerned about... it's just not what the rest of us are talking about.

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TommM

Oh of course not.  You're obviously the expert.  I defer to your brilliance.

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whelderwheels613

Why cant you people use the reply funtion properly? It looks like you're responding to yourself. 

Nvm, it appears to not be working for anyone. 

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igoka

I can't believe what I just read . Illiterate kids = Illiterate nation. What kind of genius decided to do that ? Call me old fashion but i dont think it's a good idea. 

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Emgtek

This is a very good idea! When was the last time,besides a signature,you used cursive?

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big_montana

In meetings, as my firm bans all laptops, smart phones, anything electronic that will interrupt the meeting. So, note taking in cursive is the only way to take meeting minutes.

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dgrmouse

What's your excuse for not using shorthand?

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don2041

So use a voice recorder. It makes no sounds.

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Ghok

Why not? And how does a focus on typing skills as opposed to cursive handwriting skills lead to illiteracy?

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Ghok

Typing is certainly more important than cursive. Occasionally I have to use cursive for something (most recently drawing a picture of some WW2 era nose art) but normally have to look up a few of the letters as I've forgotten them (looking at the capital letters in the picture above, I don't even remember how to correctly do most of them). I don't even use correct cursive when signing my name. I'm pretty sure you're allowed to sign your name however the hell you want.

We spent a LOT of time on cursive in school, and outside worksheets teaching us how to do the letters, we didn't even use it for writing. We used typewriters/computers, and later just computers. About half the kids had computers at home, and half didn't. Guess which ones did better on the writing assignments and which ones spent the class time hunting for the W key? For kids today, focus on typing skills is very important. Cursive isn't worth studying for more than one English class.

I learned typing in school, (and did it correctly for years) but never actually was fast at typing until I got the internet in middle school and joined a chat room. I didn't use the correct homerow method, but now I'm a pretty fast typing doing it my own way. Sometimes I wonder if I had stuck to the proper homerow method, if I'd be any faster, and if it would have been worth it.

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TommM

Other than signing my name, I don't know the last time I used cursive writing.  Well over 10 years, that's for sure.  Yet I use my keyboard(s) every damn day.

I'm surprised more states haven't done this already.

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TerribleToaster

"If children do not learn to write their names in cursive lettering, will they be permitted to sign their unemployment checks in block print letters?" 

Loaded questions are the best kind, don't you agree?

 

I'm sad to see cursive go, but I agree. Typing is more important at this point.

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