If Anonymous Kills Facebook, Who Will Tend the Farms?
If Anonymous Kills Facebook, Who Will Tend the Farms?
Posted 08/10/2011 at 4:16am
| by Paul Lilly
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Those attention starved script kiddies that make up the hacking group known as Anonymous have found yet another way to make headlines, this time by making public their intention to stomp out the world's largest social playground. Their vow didn't come in the form of a press release, but a YouTube video that's reminiscent of something you'd see in a bad B movie.
In the 2-minute video clip (embedded below), a garbled voice announces to "citizens of the world" that "your medium of communication that you all so dearly adore will be destroyed." Why? For your own good, naturally.
"Facebook has been selling information to government agencies and giving clandestine access to information security firms so that they can spy on people from all around the world," Anonymous says. The group goes on to blast Facebook's account deletion process, which Anonymous deems "impossible," and point out privacy concerns.
So when exactly is Anonymous going to "kill Facebook?" Mark your calendars for November 5, 2011, which means the joke's on them.
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thechipper
November 06, 2011 at 11:49pm
I think that a large issue that seems to bring down the group(more accurately a movement) is leeching. Because they are in fact "Anonymous" means there is nobody to confirm or deny that any individual exists within their ranks. I feel like the youtube videos are only posted by some leech on the forums that thinks by making a vid saying they will prompt a hacker take down X target. And when it doesn't happen *like Nov.5* and just like the senator threats, it just insults the real group members if it can even be called a group. You can call them whatever you want because anyone with a brain knows at the end of the day someone is speaking ill of you too.
Also the government saying they are spending billions of dollars isn't a lie but only a half truth. They have thousands of people fighting cybercrimes 24/7. Thats like saying you're paying a cop to catch a certain criminal. They're on the payroll either way :\
Good Topic Paul
lo_tek
November 04, 2011 at 6:01pm
Eh, tomorrow is November 5th, folks! I'll grab some popcorn and see develops from this (if anything). As far as Anonymous goes, they should reserve their vaunted hacking ire for the likes of China or North Korea or child porn sites and other assorted genuine baddies if they're so great and "l33t".
holeydood3
August 11, 2011 at 6:35pm
The mark of a great hacker is never being noticed. I have nothing more to add.
Silencer
August 21, 2011 at 6:53pm
It isn't what I'd call valid.
But it exists.
That makes it a valid, point of consideration. One of many of course.
d3v
August 11, 2011 at 4:13am
I am all for a takedown of facebook. As a side bonus it will result in a huge increase in worker productivity worldwide.
blkpanthr
August 10, 2011 at 10:50pm
I would like to take this opportunuty to ask everyone to review all the comments and make your own conclutions as to the mental stability of "Nimrod"
perhaps as the name suggests...
thank you for your time.
bwash
August 10, 2011 at 6:14pm
"Remember remember the 5th of November..."
Although Anon are obviously highly skilled at their particular brand of poison, it seems to me that all of this media attention has created a vigilante complex in this hacker organization. Quickly having turned from wanting to show the world what they are capable of to giving us a dramatic show and asking us to worship them, they are obviously relishing their 15 minutes of fame. Now I will not be so bold as to judge them on their choice of target, who am I to decide what makes a company so vile that they deserve total destruction but I would have a much easier time swallowing the whole thing if Anon used tactics of a less theatric nature. The telling date set for annihilation and voice modified video announcemnet are very hard to swallow, sounding like a plan conceptualized at a LAN party in a freshman dormroom. In the end, if they believe so strongly in their cause I think they should just do it and keep things as "anonymous" as they claim to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY
Scrabbermile
August 11, 2011 at 7:40am
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up on dissing college LAN partys. Those were good days! :)
But other than that- +1!
nuclearwerewolf
August 10, 2011 at 1:45pm
Google Plus ftw. Also, I am tired of the commentators calling Anon script kitties? Not like I give a crap either way, who wins this battle, but I am a CEH, and I for one have seen some of the attacks as far more than script kitty attacks. I am a HUGE MPC fan, but I know there is not one cat in your arsenal that could take on the so called script kitties. Again, I could give a crap who wins and I for one, am not on the false side of things. I am just saying that if someone is talented, cut down on them for direction, not talent.
blkpanthr
August 10, 2011 at 2:01pm
Script Kiddies, as in Kids with Scripts that someonelse wrote...
Nimrod
August 10, 2011 at 5:31pm
yeah he knows what it means and thats now what they are and im sorry but you cant pull off the shit they do with "scripts" im sorry
blkpanthr
August 10, 2011 at 10:40pm
doubtful,
fluffy felines are very different...lol
Its very doable, they have a bunch of sripts soemelse wrote and TOLD them how to use them,
christ, im not partilcularily bright and could pull it off if i had the scripts and the directing....
iceman08
August 10, 2011 at 6:12pm
I must say, good fellow, that your choice of vocabulary most excellently demonstrates your verbal skills. I am not referring to this post; I am referring to the posts below regarding Toaster. You seem to have anger issues that can only be released on the Internet; while that is good for the safety of the general public, such childish behavior is quite unnecessary on the Internet. If you feel that you are better informed than everyone else on this website in the affairs of Anonymous, then I suggest you apply to have a weekly article stating the good that they do, and perhaps submit it to the powers that be at MPC. If they consider it a good article, perhaps they will post it. If not, then do a better job of insulting other commenters, because your insults are not as clever or as well thought out as you presume they are.
Use the following link to improve your insults:
http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/
and I am quite sure you will be able to sharpen your mental sword quite effectively.
Good day, Nimrod. Should you see this as not contributing to the topic at all, please refer to your posts before writing a "scathing" retort.
MaximumMike
August 11, 2011 at 10:29am
That's a hilarious link.
My favorite by far was:
"You starvelling, you eel-skin, you dried neat's-tongue, you bull's-pizzle, you stock-fish--O for breath to utter what is like thee!-you tailor's-yard, you sheath, you bow-case, you vile standing tuck!"
ubergeetar
August 10, 2011 at 1:07pm
I just think these guys are wasting their time.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (it's quite likely,) but I feel like a multi billion dollar company, when given this much time to prepare for an "attack," which was written (if I am to believe some of the heavily-embellished Social Network movie) by some highly skilled software guys, would have plenty of white-hats and their own dudes just waiting to flip this on the head of Anon.
I dunno. Facebook is such a masterpiece of software writing (can't really deny that) and internet coding that I have to believe they'll be ready.
They're probably more skilled than these kiddos a hundred-fold.
Either way, these guys aren't invincible.
I think they're insecure if they need to hide behind anonymity. All the "real" hackers are boistrously proud of their work and give you their name as a taunt.
Maybe this will be the day that Anon learns it's not helping anything.
If they took down child porn sites, human trafficking sites, dogfighting sites, and other atrocities, then I would be happy, even if they are script kiddies.
Oh well, we'll see what happens on 11/5.
Nimrod
August 10, 2011 at 5:32pm
Have you eve tried using the Search function in FB? No, its far from a master masterpiece, more like a master piece of shit.
Hamburger
August 10, 2011 at 10:03am
Anon is just as arrogant and corrupt as their targets are. Between the govt and corporations vs Anon, it's still the people getting screwed over somehow. The only difference is the reason a certain party is doing it.
What positive change has Anon's attacks ever brought about? Fraq me.
Ghok
August 10, 2011 at 9:58am
Come on Anonymous, in the past I've sympathized with you because you've actually uncovered some shady stuff or did some good. But unless you have some evidence, you're just the crazy consipracy guy... who happens to be breaking the law.
Also, if you think attacking Sony caused backlash, you haven't sen how addicted some people are to Facebook.
Plus they've got some deep pockets...
Nimrod
August 10, 2011 at 5:35pm
Well everything thev have said about FB is actually totally confirmed and long known. As a matter of fact, it was jsut a few week ago the CIA talked about. Look it up.
Carlidan
August 10, 2011 at 6:09pm
Googled it. And the only evidence they have is a video made by the onion network which sounds so credible.
Nimrod
August 10, 2011 at 6:38pm
http://realneo.us/content/us-central-intelligence-agency-cia-deeply-invested-spying-twitter-facebook-myspace-and-other
About 4,340,000 results
(0.18 seconds)
Carlidan
August 10, 2011 at 7:39pm
And how is it any diffrent than the other programs the businesses make. Yeah I might agree that it's a governemental agency that is doing it and shouldn't being doing it. But does it suprise me. Not really.
praack
August 10, 2011 at 9:25am
they need a good caning...
I am not a fan of facebook, am not on facebook - but please- pick a real target! Child Porn sites? Human Trafficking?, Dictatiorships? but nooooo, facebook? my 88 year old mum is on facebook - so she is going to be inconvenieced by Anon and the other f**heads
be men (or ladies) stop hiding behind your masks and your comp generated vocoders. and choose a real target.
until then you have the street cred of a flea
FatalSylence
August 10, 2011 at 9:27am
Good point.
But see, if Facebook really is selling information, then couldn't that put your 88 year old grandma in danger?
Yes.
praack
August 10, 2011 at 10:24am
you don;t sell to governement agencies - what you get are legal docs and the option to agree to comply or be shut out of that country (if contracted like google china) (or face fines in your native country like in the US).
if you worked with governments you would realize that. If you are speaking about an investiment of cash into facebook by a nation state- that is still a monetary investment into a company- it puts people on the board. If the company does that it's thier issue. they still need to comply with privacy rules of the land for the nation of origin.
So if china invests in facebook - they may leverage that investment to gain greater control on chinese residents on facebook - but cannot do much about mumsie.
now if anon wishes to go after the Great Wall of China? or North Korea???.........
nah did not think so.
FatalSylence
August 10, 2011 at 8:43am
I am sick and tired of you idiots at Maximum PC calling these people "script kiddies" and dismissing them like they're some kind of child's dream. These guys are real and legit, and you calling them "script kiddies" is like saying Bill Gates can't use a computer.
Maybe Facebook is evil. Don't you remember all the privacy conflicts that have arisen on Facebook? Haven't you read the private conversations between Mark Zuckerberg and some of his friends and accomplices? The guy obviously doesn't give a rat's ass about the users on Facebook and their privacy.
You guys need to grow up and stop pretending like this is some sort of game. Just because you don't agree with what Anonymous does doesn't mean you can call them "script kiddies". I'm sure they know a hell of a lot more than you guys do about computers.
reutnes
August 10, 2011 at 7:02pm
yeah, I'll admit that there's a core group of people in anonymous who actually know what they're doing, but let's be honest here. Most of the people claiming to live under the name 'Anonymous' are the people who only know how to type numbers into LOIC and spam "DO NOT FORGIVE DO NOT FORGET EXPECT US" on youtube comments.
IMO Anon hasn't done too much worth noticing since the Scientology protests.
Paul_Lilly
August 10, 2011 at 9:41am
That fact that we're posting their more high profile shenanigans shows we're not "dismissing them like they're some kind of child's dream." But perhaps we should refer to them as 'asshats,' which has the added bonus of not offending the script kiddie community at large. Whatever you want to call these self-righteous computer clowns is fine by us.
Silencer
November 04, 2011 at 10:43pm
I love your work Paul, and you help me out a lot, so, let me help you just a little, here. Do This:
Call them: WHAT THEY ARE, whatever they are, and, be accurate.
My two cents... So, ARE THEY: "Script Kiddies" **?!?** Are they just 'kids' running 'scripts'? If not, the term clearly has a derogatory connotation, and its use in reporting, would then constitute 'taking sides', in what could be, a revolutionary-type of movement, especially going forward. I'm all for calling people all kinds of 'nasty' names, IF, they ARE, 'nasty' people! Catch ya later Pal! :O)
Edit: I'd add friend, I judge people by this standard: "You shall know them by their fruits." I think to judge them rightly, we must first judge their 'fruits' rightly. How good or evil are (they/) their 'fruits', *exactly*, would be my, next thought... L8r! ;O)
Last Edit!: 'Fruits', like, your 'reports'. :O)
Baer
August 10, 2011 at 12:19pm
Don't apoligize, script kiddies works. What is needed is script kiddie litter.
I am no big fan of Facebook but I know a lot of Seniors whose highlight of the day is posting to and with their grandkids, playing farmville with their friends Etc. It will really anger those who usually do not care if their beloved F B is down.
FatalSylence
August 10, 2011 at 9:21am
Paul, I saw your post. I could agree with you. Maybe they are asshats. Maybe not. I'll tell you, though, that LulzSec were asshats. They were the definition of asshats.
TerribleToaster
August 10, 2011 at 9:09am
"I am sick and tired of you idiots at Maximum PC calling these people "script kiddies""
That might be a problem since they are script kiddies.
"and dismissing them like they're some kind of child's dream. "
I think you mean that they have dreams (which they do, it doesn't take an ethics major or philosophy major to point out the gaping holes in their logic).
"These guys are real and legit, "
lol.
"and you calling them "script kiddies" is like saying Bill Gates can't use a computer. "
Not really. Anon is not a large group of super elite hackers. It is largely, a medium sized group of people who run scripts and use kits made by other hackers (otherwise know as script kiddies).
"Maybe Facebook is evil. Don't you remember all the privacy conflicts that have arisen on Facebook? Haven't you read the private conversations between Mark Zuckerberg and some of his friends and accomplices? The guy obviously doesn't give a rat's ass about the users on Facebook and their privacy. "
Whatever I feel about facebook is my opinion. You don't speak for me. And saying that “I don't understand” and that you must act on my behalf “for my own good” makes you no better (if not worse) than what it is you claim to fight. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
"You guys need to grow up and stop pretending like this is some sort of game."
We aren't the ones who picked November 5th for our "freedom" revolution (despite the fact that Nov 5 is celebrated for stopping a revolution), and wear Guy Fawkes masks despite that fact that Guy Fawkes was a royalist of the catholic monarchy and could represent anything but freedom.
Anon has to stop treating this like it is a game, this is people's lives they are screwing with.
"Just because you don't agree with what Anonymous does doesn't mean you can call them "script kiddies"."
But the fact that they are mostly script kiddies does allow me to call them script kiddies.
" I'm sure they know a hell of a lot more than you guys do about computers. "
I'm sure I know a lot more than they (and you, and most people on MPC) do about explosives and concrete. I guess that qualifies me to control a multi-billion dollar company's fate using my expertise in these areas only.
Nimrod
August 10, 2011 at 5:41pm
And just exactly WHAT scripts specifically have you known them to use to brake into well secured long invulnerable systems?
In fact ied be willing to bet you dont even have a fking clue what a "script" is in the first place or to what it refers.
I mean if im wrong, please point me to the link where a "script" that can take down FB or even disrupt it or deface it is widely ava on the internet.
bpstone
August 10, 2011 at 6:30pm
@Nimrod
After reading some of your comments, I have come to the conclusion you are nothing but a bad mouthed bratt who's mother should have tore your ass up more often. The Department of Homeland Security has also referred to them as Script Kiddies. Get to Googling. Real hackers consider them nothing more than a mere joke.
Nimrod
August 10, 2011 at 6:43pm
"real hackers?"
Please explain then why it is that so many millions of tax payer $ have been spent searching for these guys without being able to stop them or ID them all if their just skiddies on a rampage.
The truth is that they are juvenile idiots, but i kind of doubt that if they wanted to root your system youed be able to stop them, so in all reality its kind of stupid to be belittling them when we all know they could be posting with your identity and personal info if they wanted to. In fact, for all i know half the people in these comments MIGHT BE Anon at work just for the shiggles
Andacious
August 10, 2011 at 9:44am
Terrible Toaster, that was simply the best comment breakdown I've ever read. Thank you
FatalSylence
August 10, 2011 at 9:18am
I never claimed to speak for you. You may think whatever it is you like about whatever it is you want to. Facebook does seem corrupt. And just because there is billions of people that use Facebook does not mean it's not corrupt.
Also, how do you know that they are script kiddies? How is that a fact? I was pointing to the fact that script kiddies was possibly used in this context to downplay their credibility. Make them seem less important.
bpstone
August 10, 2011 at 12:13pm
Watch or read much news lately? Teenagers downloading then running a script a grey hat created they don't understand on their personal IP address is serious no no. Cough... drones? They are script kiddies with maybe a couple real hackers hiding behind the flock. Their days are numbered; especially since many of them have already been identified. It makes more sense to follow the grapevine than to follow with an immediate arrest. Maximum PC is calling them what they are.
TerribleToaster
August 10, 2011 at 9:45am
"Facebook does seem corrupt."
To you.
"And just because there is billions of people that use Facebook does not mean it's not corrupt."
Actually, it does. Or at least these billions of people don't see it as corrupt enough (because what isn't corrupt?) to warrant any radical action against it. Which is basically the same thing. Seeing as they are a group that is suppose to represent popular opinion, the fact that they are going against it is just a giant mother of a breach of ethics.
"Also, how do you know that they are script kiddies?"
By their own admission of using premade scripts to conduct attacks. but even ignoring that, and assuming we know nothing about them. Which do you think is more likely, that they are a large group of super hackers that no one knows who any of them could be, or that they are a large group of script kiddies with a few hackers? The former is as likely as the US faking the moon landing and the later is the same as the US invading Iraq for reasons other than WMD's.
" I was pointing to the fact that script kiddies was possibly used in this context to downplay their credibility. "
Because it does downplay their creditability (as far as being compentant hackers).
"Make them seem less important."
In the long term, they aren't important. In the short term, they are barely important. Vandals aren't really major historic figures.
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