If Anonymous Kills Facebook, Who Will Tend the Farms?

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thechipper

I think that a large issue that seems to bring down the group(more accurately a movement) is leeching. Because they are in fact "Anonymous" means there is nobody to confirm or deny that any individual exists within their ranks. I feel like the youtube videos are only posted by some leech on the forums that thinks by making a vid saying they will prompt a hacker take down X target. And when it doesn't happen *like Nov.5* and just like the senator threats, it just insults the real group members if it can even be called a group. You can call them whatever you want because anyone with a brain knows at the end of the day someone is speaking ill of you too.

 

Also the government saying they are spending billions of dollars isn't a lie but only a half truth. They have thousands of people fighting cybercrimes 24/7. Thats like saying you're paying a cop to catch a certain criminal. They're on the payroll either way :\

 

Good Topic Paul

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lo_tek

Eh, tomorrow is November 5th, folks!  I'll grab some popcorn and see develops from this (if anything).  As far as Anonymous goes, they should reserve their vaunted hacking ire for the likes of China or North Korea or child porn sites and other assorted genuine baddies if they're so great and "l33t".

 

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holeydood3

The mark of a great hacker is never being noticed. I have nothing more to add.

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Carlidan

So true.

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d3v

I am all for a takedown of facebook. As a side bonus it will result in a huge increase in worker productivity worldwide.

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bwash

"Remember remember the 5th of November..."

Although Anon are obviously highly skilled at their particular brand of poison, it seems to me that all of this media attention has created a vigilante complex in this hacker organization. Quickly having turned from wanting to show the world what they are capable of to giving us a dramatic show and asking us to worship them, they are obviously relishing their 15 minutes of fame. Now I will not be so bold as to judge them on their choice of target, who am I to decide what makes a company so vile that they deserve total destruction but I would have a much easier time swallowing the whole thing if Anon used tactics of a less theatric nature. The telling date set for annihilation and voice modified video announcemnet are very hard to swallow, sounding like a plan conceptualized at a LAN party in a freshman dormroom. In the end, if they believe so strongly in their cause I think they should just do it and keep things as "anonymous" as they claim to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

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Scrabbermile

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Hold up on dissing college LAN partys.  Those were good days! :)

 

But other than that- +1!

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nuclearwerewolf

 

Google Plus ftw. Also, I am tired of the commentators calling Anon script kitties? Not like I give a crap either way, who wins this battle, but I am a CEH, and I for one have seen some of the attacks as far more than script kitty attacks. I am a HUGE MPC fan, but I know there is not one cat in your arsenal that could take on the so called script kitties. Again, I could give a crap who wins and I for one, am not on the false side of things. I am just saying that if someone is talented, cut down on them for direction, not talent. 

 

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ubergeetar

I just think these guys are wasting their time.

 

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (it's quite likely,) but I feel like a multi billion dollar company, when given this much time to prepare for an "attack," which was written (if I am to believe some of the heavily-embellished Social Network movie) by some highly skilled software guys, would have plenty of white-hats and their own dudes just waiting to flip this on the head of Anon.

I dunno. Facebook is such a masterpiece of software writing (can't really deny that) and internet coding that I have to believe they'll be ready.

They're probably more skilled than these kiddos a hundred-fold.

Either way, these guys aren't invincible.

I think they're insecure if they need to hide behind anonymity. All the "real" hackers are boistrously proud of their work and give you their name as a taunt.

Maybe this will be the day that Anon learns it's not helping anything.

If they took down child porn sites, human trafficking sites, dogfighting sites, and other atrocities, then I would be happy, even if they are script kiddies.

Oh well, we'll see what happens on 11/5.

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Nimrod

Have you eve tried using the Search function in FB? No, its far from a master masterpiece, more like a master piece of shit.

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winmaster

I hate Facebook. I hate Anonymous. This should be good.

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don2041

Will they kill facebook? I really don,t give a shit !

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Hamburger

Anon is just as arrogant and corrupt as their targets are. Between the govt and corporations vs Anon, it's still the people getting screwed over somehow.  The only difference is the reason a certain party is doing it.

What positive change has Anon's attacks ever brought about?  Fraq me.

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Ghok

Come on Anonymous, in the past I've sympathized with you because you've actually uncovered some shady stuff or did some good. But unless you have some evidence, you're just the crazy consipracy guy... who happens to be breaking the law.

Also, if you think attacking Sony caused backlash, you haven't sen how addicted some people are to Facebook.

Plus they've got some deep pockets...

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Nimrod

Well everything thev have said about FB is actually totally confirmed and long known. As a matter of fact, it was jsut a few week ago the CIA talked about. Look it up.

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Carlidan

Googled it. And the only evidence they have is a video made by the onion network which sounds so credible. 

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Nimrod

http://realneo.us/content/us-central-intelligence-agency-cia-deeply-invested-spying-twitter-facebook-myspace-and-other

 

About 4,340,000 results

(0.18 seconds)

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Carlidan

And how is it any diffrent than the other programs the businesses make. Yeah I might agree that it's a governemental agency that is doing it and shouldn't being doing it. But does it suprise me. Not really. 

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praack

they need a good caning...

I am not a fan of facebook, am not on facebook - but please- pick a real target! Child Porn sites? Human Trafficking?, Dictatiorships? but nooooo, facebook? my 88 year old mum is on facebook - so she is going to be inconvenieced by Anon and the other f**heads

be men (or ladies) stop hiding behind your masks and your comp generated vocoders. and choose a real target.

until then you have the street cred of a flea

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FatalSylence

Good point. 

But see, if Facebook really is selling information, then couldn't that put your 88 year old grandma in danger? 

Yes.

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praack

you don;t sell to governement agencies - what you get are legal docs and the option to agree to comply or be shut out of that country (if contracted like google china) (or face fines in your native country like in the US).

if you worked with governments you would realize that. If you are speaking about an investiment of cash into facebook by a nation state- that is still a monetary investment into a company- it puts people on the board. If the company does that it's thier issue. they still need to comply with privacy rules of the land for the nation of origin.

So if china invests in facebook - they may leverage that investment to gain greater control on chinese residents on facebook - but cannot do much about mumsie.

now if anon wishes to go after the Great Wall of China? or North Korea???.........

nah did not think so.

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FatalSylence

I am sick and tired of you idiots at Maximum PC calling these people "script kiddies" and dismissing them like they're some kind of child's dream. These guys are real and legit, and you calling them "script kiddies" is like saying Bill Gates can't use a computer. 

Maybe Facebook is evil. Don't you remember all the privacy conflicts that have arisen on Facebook? Haven't you read the private conversations between Mark Zuckerberg and some of his friends and accomplices? The guy obviously doesn't give a rat's ass about the users on Facebook and their privacy. 

You guys need to grow up and stop pretending like this is some sort of game. Just because you don't agree with what Anonymous does doesn't mean you can call them "script kiddies". I'm sure they know a hell of a lot more than you guys do about computers. 

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reutnes

yeah, I'll admit that there's a core group of people in anonymous who actually know what they're doing, but let's be honest here.  Most of the people claiming to live under the name 'Anonymous' are the people who only know how to type numbers into LOIC and spam "DO NOT FORGIVE DO NOT FORGET EXPECT US" on youtube comments.

 

IMO Anon hasn't done too much worth noticing since the Scientology protests.

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Paul_Lilly

That fact that we're posting their more high profile shenanigans shows we're not "dismissing them like they're some kind of child's dream." But perhaps we should refer to them as 'asshats,' which has the added bonus of not offending the script kiddie community at large. Whatever you want to call these self-righteous computer clowns is fine by us.

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Baer

Don't apoligize, script kiddies works. What is needed is script kiddie litter.

I am no big fan of Facebook but I know a lot of Seniors whose highlight of the day is posting to and with their grandkids, playing farmville with their friends Etc. It will really anger those who usually do not care if their beloved F B is down.

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FatalSylence

Paul, I saw your post. I could agree with you. Maybe they are asshats. Maybe not.  I'll tell you, though, that LulzSec were asshats. They were the definition of asshats.

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TerribleToaster

 

"I am sick and tired of you idiots at Maximum PC calling these people "script kiddies"" 

That might be a problem since they are script kiddies.

"and dismissing them like they're some kind of child's dream. " 

I think you mean that they have dreams (which they do, it doesn't take an ethics major or philosophy major to point out the gaping holes in their logic).

"These guys are real and legit, "

lol.

"and you calling them "script kiddies" is like saying Bill Gates can't use a computer. "

Not really. Anon is not a large group of super elite hackers. It is largely, a medium sized group of people who run scripts and use kits made by other hackers (otherwise know as script kiddies).

"Maybe Facebook is evil. Don't you remember all the privacy conflicts that have arisen on Facebook? Haven't you read the private conversations between Mark Zuckerberg and some of his friends and accomplices? The guy obviously doesn't give a rat's ass about the users on Facebook and their privacy. "

 Whatever I feel about facebook is my opinion. You don't speak for me. And saying that “I don't understand” and that you must act on my behalf “for my own good” makes you no better (if not worse) than what it is you claim to fight. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

"You guys need to grow up and stop pretending like this is some sort of game."

We aren't the ones who picked November 5th for our "freedom" revolution (despite the fact that Nov 5 is celebrated for stopping a revolution), and wear Guy Fawkes masks despite that fact that Guy Fawkes was a royalist of the catholic monarchy and could represent anything but freedom.

Anon has to stop treating this like it is a game, this is people's lives they are screwing with.

"Just because you don't agree with what Anonymous does doesn't mean you can call them "script kiddies"."

But the fact that they are mostly script kiddies does allow me to call them script kiddies.

" I'm sure they know a hell of a lot more than you guys do about computers. "

I'm sure I know a lot more than they (and you, and most people on MPC) do about explosives and concrete. I guess that qualifies me to control a multi-billion dollar company's fate using my expertise in these areas only.

 

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Nimrod

And just exactly WHAT scripts specifically have you known them to use to brake into well secured long invulnerable systems?

 

In fact ied be willing to bet you dont even have a fking clue what a "script" is in the first place or to what it refers.

 

I mean if im wrong, please point me to the link where a "script" that can take down FB or even disrupt it or deface it is widely ava on  the internet.

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bpstone

@Nimrod
 
After reading some of your comments, I have come to the conclusion you are nothing but a bad mouthed bratt who's mother should have tore your ass up more often. The Department of Homeland Security has also referred to them as Script Kiddies. Get to Googling. Real hackers consider them nothing more than a mere joke.

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Nimrod

"real hackers?"

 

Please explain then why it is that so many millions of tax payer $ have been spent searching for these guys without being able to stop them or ID them all if their just skiddies on a rampage.

 

The truth is that they are juvenile idiots, but i kind of doubt that if they wanted to root your system youed be able to stop them, so in all reality its kind of stupid to be belittling them when we all know they could be posting with your identity and personal info if they wanted to. In fact, for all i know half the people in these comments MIGHT BE Anon at work just for the shiggles

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bpstone

@Nimrod

I strongly suggest the MUTE button bud.

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Andacious

Terrible Toaster, that was simply the best comment breakdown I've ever read. Thank you

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FatalSylence

I never claimed to speak for you. You may think whatever it is you like about whatever it is you want to.  Facebook does seem corrupt. And just because there is billions of people that use Facebook does not mean it's not corrupt.

 

Also, how do you know that they are script kiddies? How is that a fact? I was pointing to the fact that script kiddies was possibly used in this context to downplay their credibility. Make them seem less important.

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bpstone

Watch or read much news lately? Teenagers downloading then running a script a grey hat created they don't understand on their personal IP address is serious no no. Cough... drones? They are script kiddies with maybe a couple real hackers hiding behind the flock. Their days are numbered; especially since many of them have already been identified. It makes more sense to follow the grapevine than to follow with an immediate arrest. Maximum PC is calling them what they are.

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TerribleToaster

 

"Facebook does seem corrupt." 

To you. 

"And just because there is billions of people that use Facebook does not mean it's not corrupt."

Actually, it does. Or at least these billions of people don't see it as corrupt enough (because what isn't corrupt?) to warrant any radical action against it. Which is basically the same thing. Seeing as they are a group that is suppose to represent popular opinion, the fact that they are going against it is just a giant mother of a breach of ethics.

"Also, how do you know that they are script kiddies?"

By their own admission of using premade scripts to conduct attacks. but even ignoring that, and assuming we know nothing about them. Which do you think is more likely, that they are a large group of super hackers that no one knows who any of them could be, or that they are a large group of script kiddies with a few hackers? The former is as likely as the US faking the moon landing and the later is the same as the US invading Iraq for reasons other than WMD's.

" I was pointing to the fact that script kiddies was possibly used in this context to downplay their credibility. "

Because it does downplay their creditability (as far as being compentant hackers).

"Make them seem less important."

In the long term, they aren't important. In the short term, they are barely important. Vandals aren't really major historic figures.

 

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Nimrod

you are a complete and utter fucking idiot.

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FatalSylence

This whole world is corrupt, my dear Toaster. I don't know if you see that or not, but it's the truth.  Everywhere you look, you see signs of man's corruption and selfish greed. Sex scandals and theivery and murder take front and center on every newspaper, website, and TV screen.  Power corrupts. Money corrupts. And when Facebook gets billions of people to use their service--that is power.  When Mark Zuckerberg becomes one of the richest men in the world, that corrupts.

Centuries ago, nearly EVERYONE in the world believed the world was flat. Is the world flat? No.  Today, billions of people use Facebook and believe it's a totally good service. Does that mean it is? No. 

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TerribleToaster

 

"This whole world is corrupt, my dear Toaster." 

In your opinion. 

Also that's a funny opinion since if the whole world is corrupt, then corruption has no meaning, thus nothing is corrupt.

"I don't know if you see that or not, but it's the truth."

No, I don't see it. Nor is it necessarily true because it is your opinion. Remember? We went over this already. It's your opinion, Not mine. 

"Everywhere you look, you see signs of man's corruption and selfish greed. Sex scandals and theivery and murder take front and center on every newspaper, website, and TV screen."

You also see Bill Gates saving Africa, random acts of kindness, and many other "good" things.

" Power corrupts. Money corrupts."

In your opinion.

"And when Facebook gets billions of people to use their service--that is power. When Mark Zuckerberg becomes one of the richest men in the world, that corrupts."

If Facebook and Mark are corrupt, then the people will judge that and announce their verdict and then the government will act as executioner as a representative of the people, Anon is not the people nor its representative yet they claim the positions of judge, jury, and executioner.

 

 

"Centuries ago, nearly EVERYONE in the world believed the world was flat. Is the world flat? No.  Today, billions of people use Facebook and believe it's a totally good service. Does that mean it is? No. "

Difference is that the shape of the world is a FACT while what is perceived as good or evil is an OPINION based on INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE. You can prove a fact, but an opinion cannot be proven. 

What is good and what is corrupt is not for you, or anyone else, to judge for anyone other than yourself.

 

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Nimrod

"Also that's a funny opinion since if the whole world is corrupt, then corruption has no meaning, thus nothing is corrupt."

 

Seriously, you have got to be the biggest fucking dip shit i have ever heard comment on this web site. Here, ill write you a few pages of code for you, it will be corrupt be since its ALL corrupt it aught to work just perfectly!

 

FUCK you are gay as hell and dumb as shit.

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FatalSylence

"What is good and what is corrupt is not for you, or anyone else, to judge for anyone other than yourself."

OH!!! Okay!!! So I suppose Hitler killing millions of Jews is okay, right? Because to him, it was the right thing to do? Okay. That's cool. I suppose the Dnepropetrovsk maniacs filming themselves beating a man with a hammer and gouging his eyes out with a screwdriver was okay too, right? 

Your statement is so false and what's sad is that you don't even know it.

If I decide what is good and what is corrupt, then I decide that everything I do is right and everything everyone else does is wrong.

Does't work like that, sir.

Right and wrong is a fact.

 

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bpstone

You remind of a pestilent mosquito in my ear. Carry your trolling ass somewhere else. We don't need a lecture from a young buck on MaxPC of how fucked up the world is. Got it?! ^_-

 

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nHeroGo

"Legit" is not the word you were looking for. On behalf of those who hurt your feelings regarding "script kiddies," I am very sorry.

Have a nice day. 

PS: I have never checked the "publish to facebook" checkbox. Maye I will do that today.

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FatalSylence

My feelings were not hurt.

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TommM

"Attention starved script kiddies."

Perfect description.

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skirge01

They're doing things which effect us "for our own good"?  Isn't that what the government says, too?  Oh, the irony...

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Eoraptor

Considering both groups steal our personal data for their own twisted aims while claiming only to do what we want them to, isn't Anonymous V Facebook basically Stalin v Hitler?

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nHeroGo

 

No, basically not. 

While touching the subject of history, WW2 ended up as Stalin vs Hitler, two megalomaniacs duking it out. Every nation tells its own version of WW2 and highlights their own importance, yet WW2 was about the Eastern Front. Germany sent the majority of their forces to the east and lost 80% of its soldiers there - Soviet and Germany tallied up a 30 million death count on the Eastern Front; possibly the most brutal battles in history and total disregard of human life. Makes every modern war story/situation seem a bit insignificant. 

 

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Ghostryderflyby

So they steal our personal information from online financial companies, for our own good. They steal our gaming acounts from us from gaming companies, for our own good. And now they want to take out a host of people's socialization, again for our own good...... riiiggghht. Okay your dictatorship, thank you for stealing from us under the guise of deciding for us what is best for us.

Would somebody please go give those attention starved f*@!ers at anonymous a hug so they'll stop f'n with our internet?!

 

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MaximumMike

Well,

Let's put them in orange jump suits first. Then I'm sure some big guy named Bubba will be more than glad to dole out the hugs.

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Carlidan

Still reading your free market article. Half way done. Had too many things to do to finish it. It is interesting though. 

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