IDC: HDD Output To Reach Preflood Levels, But Prices Will Stay At A Postflood Premium

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gamewizard

well shit this suck i do game development as a hobby and i need massive drive for my source files which take up a huge amount of space
dam those bastards an 500gb ssd is looking more promising by the day

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bautrey

I guess their won't be any $120 3TB drives for quite awhile...

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praack

Seriously- flood?

Leave it to greed, consolidation in the marketplace etc

And the warranty is the king; does anyone really believe that all parts were thrown out because of water damage?

If the part met initial spec it is being cleaned and put out into the product stream- but with the reduced warranty. otherwise we would not already be back to pre-flood inventory.

problem is wanting another hard drive- but being afraid to buy it- and the cost of Enterprises and the longer warranty being too dear.

SSD? bring the price down- because that really never happened- I am not paying a dollar per gig for an ssd!

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biggiebob12345

I'm planning on buying 4x 250 GB Intel SSD's for my next build in August and recycle my 2x 1TB WD HDD's from my current built that was bought pre-flood. Yeah SSD's will cost a lot but atleast I won't be giving a thumbs up to price gouging by buying their crap.

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livebriand

Great... more price gouging? When I built my desktop in early 2010, I got a single high performance hard drive (and later added in an older spare one for random crap). Now, if I were to build a performance system, I'd seriously consider an SSD (like the upcoming Intel 830s) and then a 5900RPM/Green drive for my files and crap. (it's a bit odd how the WD Elements drives are a tad cheaper than the WD Caviar Greens, right?) I wouldn't mind getting a faster hard drive for my VMs (which are currently on the older slower drive), but with these prices, forget it. Congrats HD manufacturers, not only have you failed to make more profit off me, you've also succeeded in making me more interested in SSDs.

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jbwhite99

One thing that these articles fail to mention is that WD bought HGST (Hitachi Global Storage) and Seagate bought Samsung's HDD business; so now it is 2 bigs and 2 smalls (Toshiba and Fujitsu) instead of 4 bigs. WD may or may not be up to capacity, but Seagate is pretty close, and gauging the snot out of this.

OEMs have to be feeling the pinch as well - but resellers like NewEgg are gouging for the crumbs they get (as are everyone else).

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Philippe Lemay

I get where they're coming from... but it still bums me out. Thankfully I got a cumulative 5 TB stash purchased primarily before the flood, so I will be able to hold out well enough.

But yeah, I hope that karma will step in. By that I mean I hope SSD prices drop so much the suppliers see HDD sales drop and think "OH NO! Why did we ask for so big a slice of the pie!"

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livebriand

No kidding! Most people don't need more than a 120GB or 240GB SSD anyway, and if prices become fairly low (ex. $60-80 for the 120GB and $120 for the 240GB), there could be some mass adoption of them. I hope that the Intel 830s, being cheaper than others, increase SSD sales, thus bringing down prices so that even more people start buying them. Then the hard drive manufacturers will be thinking (oh shit... why did we keep our prices high???) and consumers will win. I can't wait for that to happen. :D As it is, with laptop drives being $100 or so, SSDs look like a fairly decent option - I don't have much stuff on my netbook anyway and would like the durability of an SSD in there.

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someuid

The thing Mr. IDC forgets is that companies who forget about the Invisible Hand of Capitalism will get slapped by it because they don't see it (and they forgot about it, so that Invisible Hand of Capitalism gets to ambush them.)

They can try all they want to keep prices high. Eventually, stock will build up as they crank out drive after drive and less people buy them at the higher price, until some brain dead manager says "Put them on sale or drop the prices to clear out this inventory."

It also takes only 1 new start-up to upset the apple cart with lower prices (see: LCD TVs).

It only takes 1 innovation in SSDs to lower the price-capacity ratios closer to HDDs.

It would probably take a few MS engineers a few days to offer a disk compression feature to Windows to double your hard drive space.

There are so many ways Mr. IDC's logic can fail.

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RaptorJohnson

I would hate to have a warehouse of HDDs that i'm waiting to sell at inflated prices the day some company announces they broke the $1 per gig barrier on SSDs.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

It's price fixing. I hope they all die.

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RaptorJohnson

Calm down. If they are selling at prices that you think are too high then just don't buy.

I dislike this entitled attitude everyone has.

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yu119995

I agree with him. Let them die. I'm all about SSD's now.

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t.y.wan

A lot of retailers stocked tonnes of HDDs before the flood and obviously, once the "flood" hits, the price instantaneously goes way the XXXX up.
In addition to that, the warranty thingy? Seagate and WD HDD fails like flies... I just don't understand how could they produce such "quality" products...
Price fixing... I don't like it, but I can't do crap about it...

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tweeve

As a college student, these high hard drive prices really hurt. I need to replace several of my hard drives, but i would prefer at least 2TB drives as i really need the space. My main problem is that i can only afford to spend about $100 per drive and even that is really pushing it.

Right as soon as the flood came, I was going to buy a hard drive but then with the drive prices shooting up I just couldn't justify the high prices for the drives :(

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Zoandar

My advice to those buying now at the artificially inflated prices: Save your receipts so when the class action lawsuit for illegally working together to fix prices hits all the HD manufacturers years from now you can join in and get your $1.389 from the settlement. As with the suit over memory prices, you'll need receipts to prove, perhaps a decade from now, that you bought the price-inflated drives.

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kixofmyg0t

I called this months ago right here in the Maximumpc comments.

Next up? RIM goes bankrupt by August.

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Adam Wolfe

Here, take a cookie.

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aarcane

Definitely price gouging. I'm not saying the pre-flood prices were "fair", and in fact were cutting profit margins dangerously thin, but these current prices are exorbitant and need to come back down to some saner value in between.

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jimekai

MPAA opened the flood gates
MPAA closed the flood gates
MPAA opened the flood gates

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DoctorX

can you say illegal collusion and antitrust violations? I knew you could! Seriously, the field is down to 2-3 players. Samsung is owned by Seagate now and Hitachi hdd business is now owned by WD. They need to be very careful and not keep the prices artificially high.

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BlazePC

Saw it coming; not surprised.
Commodity pricing was getting a bit too extreme.
OEMs will get the discounts they need; the disty channels will not.

Welcome to the new normal; get used to it.

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Adam Wolfe

You're a sheep. Get used to it.

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BlazePC

You're a butt-hurt troll.
They make a pill for that btw.

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yu119995

I think it's called "ice for your vagina". Try it. I think you need it.

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MastaGuy

The difference between this and the oil industry is that we do have another option. That's SSD's. Eventually, I believe we will see much lower prices, we just need time

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livebriand

In that case, we have alternatives to oil - renewable or nuclear energy, and electric cars. Are those practical? Mostly yes. Are they expensive? Yes. Are they widely adopted? No. (well, nuclear is in other countries, but not in the US) Sure, SSDs are an alternative, but for some capacity is an issue, and they're still too expensive.

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TMc51

No way this will last long. The price gouging will just drive even more consumers towards SSDs, and HDD manufacturers stand to lose even more in the long run.

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Biceps

Prices for HDDs and memory both tend to fluctuate a bit. The thing that really chafes me is the fact that all the warranties have been dropped to one year, as manufacturers sell parts that were underwater for weeks. I have a sinking feeling (pun intended) that those warrantees will never go back to 5 years, as they were before. So, keep in mind, folks, that you aren't being charged more for the same thing - you are being charged more for crappy, submerged drives, and these manufacturers may actually use this shortage as an excuse to go for quantity over quality-of-production in the future.

FYI, you can still find old stock at retail stores with the 5-year warrantees - Office Depot and Staples are your best bet, since the big box retailers have been sold out mostly for a while of old stock.

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Hunter451a

It's bold face price gouging.

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JohnP

It's the competition that sets prices. With Samsung and Hitachi already lowering their prices (down 20% in the past couple of months), let's see how the big boys respond. That is one of the reasons why Samsung was bought up, not for the capacity but to eliminate a competitor.
Another thing to watch out for is that SSDs are hot right now so they will be competing with spinning drives.
My take, 4 months and the price of a 1TB internal hard drive will again be approaching $80-90.

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livebriand

Samsung's a part of Seagate now. So... it's WD, Seagate, Hitachi, or Toshiba, and the last 2 (particularly Toshiba) aren't known to be high quality. If I were to build a new mid-range machine right now, I would seriously consider a 120GB SSD for the OS and a 1 or 2TB green hard drive for data. Hopefully, SSD prices will come down enough in the near future that I can abandon hard drives entirely.

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