Has Windows 7 Already Lost to Mac OS X?

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linktriforce007

I've watched many of the Mac vs PC commercials. Who hasn't? They're on TV quite a bit.

 

However, this is the way I look at it. Apple's commercials are insulting, and the only way they seem to be attracting people is by bringing down the competition. 

 Windows however is telling people that Windows 7 is good, and that the people wanted it. They didn't say, "Oh, we're better than Mac cause of this this and this."

 

Nextly, I remember one Mac Vs PC Commercial that just upset me a little bit. It was about some person saying that they were getting a Mac because they'd have to reinstall everything if they got W7.

 HELLO!!! You'd have to do that with a new Mac computer anyways! And they don't support all Windows software. And anyone who doesn't realize that upgrading an Operating System will erase the computer's data...it doesn't make sense for them to go to a OS convention. (not to mention an opening day one)

 

Lastly, isn't Mac a PC anyways? Personal computer...I don't know. *sigh*

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r7mr7m

I have been running version 7100 since the day it was available for download. I am still running it and love it. People ask me all the time what I think about Windows 7 and I tell them, I am still using the beta version because it is just that good. And I am out of a job so I have no cash to purchase a production copy. :(

They also ask me about Macs vs. Windows 7 and I tell them that there is no contest. Windows 7, hands down. Let me skip the severly over-priced and over-engineered hardware (and limited software application availability). For 450 bucks, I can get them an extremely capable 15" budget laptop running Windows 7 vs a macbook at $1000+

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dandoz

 

 First off, I'm basically a "Mac" person.  I learned on Apple and my first computers were Apple.  The first computer I bought myself was an iMac.  I went on to learn and do graphic design and desktop publishing.

I like the Mac "wholistic" approach.  When purchasing a new computer, I don't want to sift through a Web site that demands to know whether I am a Home, Small Business, Large Business, or Government.  I like buying a computer and actually having a restore/install disk.  I don't want to have a generic and boring case with stickers on it.  The only game that remotely appeals to me is Bioshock, which I haven't got around to purchasing yet, which also is available on the Mac.  The whole box and screen paradigm is also a bit boring and cluttery, anyway, and the new iMac is a triumph of form and engineering.

 All that being said, I'm very happy that Windows7 is out.  While I can appreciate a certain Mac "approach" to the world of manufacturing computers, that same snobbish desire for style and control is also why I prefer to build my own PCs and read MaximumPC.  I can start with an Antec 300 case -- smooth, subdued, sticker-less, and put the quiet/fast components in there of my own choice.  When it comes down to user experience, the fact of the matter is that Adobe CS is the same whatever platform one is on.

 I can think of some things that Apple does nicely in the software -- but nothing comes to mind that outdoes anything in Windows 7.

 Windows OEM sellers leave a lot to be desired.  I purchased a refurbished HP desktop for my Dad.  Of course it had a jarring Vista OEM cloned on it (no disk) with all the annoying UAC settings and HP bloatware krep as well as ads for ebay, Microsoft Works, etc.  I wiped it all and put Windows 7 RC on it, along with Open Office, Livemail, Abiword, Paint.Net, Picasa, iTunes, VLC, and replaced NoteTab with NoteTab Light.  In other words, a full free suite customized and more usable "out of the box" than any Mac could be for, oh, roughly $750 less for the same hardware specs.  But, of course, I knew what I was doing.  How nice it would be if there were a manufacturer that made and sold clean and simplified machines the way the Apple Store does.  (Please don't say Sony...)

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dracx619

i feel you. bloatware is completely pointless and the only reason i can think of for all the crap is cause they get money from the makers of their said crap. its a goo thing we build our own systems.

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dandoz

 

Yes, I wouldn't advise anyone to get a Mac just because "the OS is superior."  Not at all.  As a Mac user I will freely shout Windows7 is what I would want a Windows system to be.  I told people even last year that paying a small premium for a Mac wasn't a bad idea considering that Vista and bloatware were headaches.  Now, that's not the case. 

 Apple says that they consider themselves a hardware company first and foremost.  Good for them, at least, in making IPS-based iMacs, so that paying a premium for their hardware at least gets one something "different" in a unique form factor and top-of-the-line display. The custom-built PC will always be the way to go for making a gaming rig.  However, I may buy an iMac for that screen alone.

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nekollx

 you know ive always wondered if you could link multiple imack together for multi sceen goodness and hanve their share processing power...

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dusty blade

so true, fuck bloatware, its not like it can take off a couple houndred bucks from the overall cost of the computer an be easily removed, seriously, fuck saving money for a small ammount of cash savings.

 

 

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claytovt

What is left out is on 9-16-09 windows 7 had 1.69% market share and by 11-1-09 a whopping ten days after it's official release 3.67% and osx after almost a decade makes up a 5.27%. Yah, osX is winning?!?

what a crap article that is byass and full of spin

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knelson276

maybe but have you taken into considerdation that as soon as the launch of win 7 all the pc's in the stores were swapped out. after oct 22 you have very little choice on win 7, unless you buy a netbook which still has xp on it.

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Caboose

Dude, it's spelled Bias, not Byass...

 

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dusty blade

so...much...win... :'D

 

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LatiosXT

What I find curious about people proclaiming Apple to be open-source and stuff is... Why hasn't anyone really spiffed up Mac OS X like they do Linux? Everything but the core elements of OS X are open source, yet... I've never seen anyone flaunt a super-duper hacked OS X. The only thing that's "open" that they've really done recently was create OpenCL. Whether or not AMD or NVIDIA care about this is another thing (like how anyone still cares about OpenGL... And before you start bashing me on that, OpenGL has been in such a train wreck lately that it convinced diehard fan John Carmack to use DX9 for id Tech 5). If you ask me, I think Apple just puts on this facade of open source or open standards just to win points for the team.

In reality, it's already spoken. They're platforms are tightly closed. They're software only plays nice with their products. I refuse to install any Apple software on Windows. iTunes is bloaty and of course, they keep updating it so it only works on iPods/iPhones. And while I'm sure Safari got better, when 3.0 beta was out, I was appaled how the browser would crash if I tried to bookmark a website. Apple, I would certainly love to try OS X, but if that means I have to buy your computer to use it "legally", well screw it.

 Also Apple's track record for humping their own fans in the bum.

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dracx619

all i can do is lol....

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Xylogeist

Wow, have any of you seen the latest Mac VS PC comercial? XD It was hilarious... they are now trying to confuse people into believing that somehow all mac stores have better customer satisfaction than PC stores... it's not the salesmen that count - it's the OS which is why Mac will ALWAYS lose. Andmost people don't rush to buy a new OS, so it's no surprise that Windows 7 only gained like 2%, people arent going to bother moving from XP if all of their stuff is on it - but when their PC brekas down or they get a new one, they will deffi get that spiffy Win 7 64 Bit Oh yea!

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nsk chaos

windows user @ heart. numbers dont affect me. =)

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nHeroGo

Don't worry so much. It is going to be fine. Microsoft is in it for the long haul. Market analysts are not so much.

A week ago the stock marked showed some positive symptoms for a few days and the analysts declared "the recession is over! Everything is fixed now!" (para phrasing). It's just a stupid header to grab attention. 

On Christmas morning a bunch of software will be registered. And corporations will have their budget ready later in the spring and you do not think they are going to all be purchasing Justin Long's hands-in-his-pocket turtleneck hardware - their software won't work. It just won't work.  

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Nailer669

I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong.  10 years ago, that was the argument for Macs - graphics and video editing.  My sister just graduated from photography, and they still pushed the Mac crap.  Granted, she couldn't afford a Mac, so she did it all on CS3 (at the time).

 I'm just trying to give the Mac "some" credit.  Kind of feel sorry for them.... being all delusional and such.  I'd own one if someone gave it to me, but I doubt I'd use it.

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mrlhxc

They both have downfalls. I think OS X has the most because its only compatible with a few systems (MACs) and they still have issues with their OS and hardware (guest logon, 27 iMacs performance issues). If Apple allowed their OS on multiple comptuers as Microsoft does, OS X would have all the same issues Windows does. This is probably why they run the OS on their own hardware. Im just sick of people saying how Apple is better for video, music, and photography. They are only really are good for browsing facebook and not getting a virus. If you have the money you can implement a nice sound production system and do nice mixing. If you want to do real work, get a windows computer.

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r7mr7m

Last year, as an IT consultant for a small firm in LA, I serviced several small and medium private businesses whose owners just wanted the iMac for the way it looked and the "prestige" to show all their rich family, friends and business associates. I would blow out the partitions and install XP on them because they actually wanted to use them for something useful. You know, like making money. Such a rip-off. These things are almost non-upgradable. I would rather work on any non-Mac laptop than one of those things.

We also signed a client in the music recording industry who had all Mac devices. Their network infrastructure was so unbelievably fubar’d it took months to get them up to speed.  There were no servers to centrally manage data, authentication, fault tolerance, print devices, etc.  They were always calling in with issues related to everything Mac. All data they had was shared from each of their Macs. If they were editing HD video, they would have to connect external firewire drives and were always having problems misplacing crucial data.Trying to get them to communicate with AD was a nightmare.

Based on my experience with them and research involved in transforming them into a legitimate business network, I will never recommend Macs to anyone. I can’t even recommend them to people who own yachts with helipads and tons of cash to blow on ridiculous and frivolous pieces of over-priced, non-functional crap.

 Oh and everyone there was a die-hard elitist fanboy of their Mac (despite all their problems) and were so pissed that we started swapping out there Macs with PCs for a significant discount and increase in productivity and data availability.

iMacs are nice to look at, that's about it.

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jihnn

 who hasn't been in a puter store or even best buy listening to the sales peon giving the  "pitch" to sell the one with the most profit.

15 min into the sale the customer asks...what color does it come in...

there are so many computer buyers that just do not have a clue as to what is inside the box nor do they care.

 

they kinda have a premade decision on what they want from watching tv and mail adds. they just want to be told that what they want....is what they need.... i have been there  >shame<  i almost bought a gatway because of the box it came in..

 

anyway it was months before i actually bought my first computer   and it didn't come in a pretty box

 

forget anything tech for lots of buyers   it's in the add they like most

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JoeMac3313

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hack-windows-security-snow-leopard,8704.htmlhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/hack-windows-security-snow-leopard,8704.html

Check out the site above for Mac security.  Don't believe everything you hear.  College kids by Macs to appear smarter like old guys buy Corvettes to appear cooler but both fail. 

 

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r7mr7m

What he said ^^^^

and that is a great article. These issues should be raised more.  Come on Microsoft! Start spreading the truth.

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jfigura

It's all hype to sell more boxes. I'm a video editor, graphic and web designer. I tried to switch to mac. Honestly. I gave up because I had to run two computers, one mac and one PC. The fact is, most of the editors I know who use mac are in the same boat, OR, they are dual booting between Windows and OS X. What's the point? I'm not any better of an editor or designer because I have a MAC. Tools are tools, it's all about the person's ability to use the tools at hand.

I guess what I am trying to say here, if they gain a small amount of market share with people who don't really know what they are buying, well then so be it. But what I know is, I only need one computer in operation to run my business and with the upgrade to a 64 bit Windows 7 I have been very content for the past week. I can see the performance improvements brought on by not only a 64 bit OS with apps that take advantage of that, but also in the core itself. The system runs, runs well. Can't ever imagine going back and trying to do it again on a Mac with limited software.

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jayson001

I am a graphic designer and there is zero reason to buy a Mac. Sure I've worked on them, but meh. Right now Adobe CS 64 supports 64 bit on Windows but not on Mac. It also has GRU acceleration for the first time, so you'll be spending money to get a better card than the Mac Pro ships with anyway.

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Nailer669

We'll see what happens in a few months.  Apple is pulling at anything they can since 7 is much better than Vista.  I think Apple forgot who bailed them out in the late 90's (or somewhere around there) with billion of dollars.  If Microsoft never gave them all that money, I don't think there would be a Mac today.

Mac has its place.  Linux has its place.  I don't have enough time or money to go and buy a new Mac and all the software just to get it to where my Win7 box is today.  Same thing with linux.  As soon as linux is easy enough for my wife to use without asking me questions, I'll think about it.

 I like to play games like Crysis and L4D2, and neither Mac or Linux can play those at decent frame rates and still look as good as what my Win7 PC can.  Even if they could, it would be a major PITA to get it working.

 If I were a graphics designer or did something remotely close to that, sure I'd sell my kidney to afford a Mac, but since I'm not, no thank you.

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jayson001

I don't think this is what's happening at all. I think with the downturn we're seeing a record number of people going back to school and a lot of them are buying the hype of picking up a Macbook.

Provided you have relatively new hardware, the arguement that you might as well switch to Mac makes no sense. So you're going to have to reformat if you have XP. So what they're saying it's that it's more compelling to spend a few grand to get a Mac than say a few hundred for a full retail copy of 7 Home and a backup drive if you don't have one. 

This is the same arguement with the whole 'PCs get viruses' arguement. Sure. You could spend a grand more on a Mac or $70 on antivirus.

We also have to remember that new XP users in the form of netbook consumers are growing rapidly and XP is 'competing' with 7.

 

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Onyx2291

 All I know is, Microsoft definitely has me for upgrading to 7 once I get a new computer. In the long run I may eventually get a Macbook for a mobile option. Then again maybe not.

 I'd rather stick with something I've been using at home for the last ten or so years, even if they are all different in a few ways. If 7 is indeed better than Vista (I overall didn't feel too much of a difference between XP and Vista) then they are sure to keep me as a customer.

-Onyx

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Trooper_One

I have a friend who doens't know much about computers.  She wants a Mac cuz everyone in her class owns one while she already owns a decent HP laptop.

 I ask her why and she answered because it can do everything right out of box, or at least that's what the general prevailing thought is - and what her Mac owning friends tell her.  I didn't bother telling her about the power of a PC, its software, and freeware available - cuz she just wouldn't understand or stand aside from the argument that "Mac has everything".

The point is, Apple does have pretty slick marketing and a cult following - and their sheeples just trickle in little by little, kinda a scary considering their message is creativity and freedom.  Not so for their hardware or OS - which is all about proprietory.

 

 

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MacimumPC

Apple? Proprietary? Surely you jest. Apple's formats are generally developed with outside collaberation and are considered open-source. Microsoft, on the other hand stifles (or attempts to...often with hilarious results) open-source formats with its own rather crappy here it comes "proprietary" formats. And as for being a cult...the way you Windows fanboys all jump on the Mac-hate Express and believe everything Ballmer tells you is in and of itself quite cultish.

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Caboose

Could I take a new Mac, and install Windows on it with no issues what so ever or require a"middle man" platform (aka Bootcamp)? Didn't think so. Can I install Steam and play Left 4 Dead 2, or Plants Vs. Zombies (I didn't know what I was missing till I played it, and now I'm hooked) nativly in MacOS X? Didn't think so. What about building my own Mac from scratch? Nope! Can't be done (I'm talking about authentic Mac, not a Hackintosh).

How about iTunes? Locked down so that only iPod owners can actually use it. Apple locks out everyone else.

Apple is very far from open source in my opinion. Just as far as Microsoft is. However, I've seen Microsoft making strides in opening up it's formats to the rest of the world (Outlook PST for starters). Is Apple going to follow suit with iTunes? Open it up so that other media players can sync with it? Didn't think so...

 How many "PC Vs. Mac" commercials do you see, where a stereotypical PC spouts off false information about Macs in the hopes to brainwash more clueless users to join their army? I've seen a total of NONE.

 

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skhills

Yes, proprietary.  I can only install OS X on (yes, overpriced) hardware I buy from apple.  Proprietary.  Before Windows 7, I would have said I'd be using OS X if I could install it on real hardware.  Now that I have windows 7, I'd say "nevermind, you can keep it."

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nekollx

 *snigger*

oh man how wrong you are. its MS that has been (tentativly) supporting Open Sorce Development.

Tell me have you ever read the apple ToS. You can't even legally install OSX on anything not apple branded. And good luck synch Itunes to anything that ISN'T a Iphone.

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Techrocket9

If Windows dies and Mac wins, that's sad. However, it could cause a migration to Linux en massé when all the non-rich people in the world see the new prices of Macs in a monopoly enviroment.

 

 

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FoamysKing

Not to start a flame war or anything yes you make good points os x has problems so does windows do i feel it needs to be more open yes i would love to make a new pc and put os x on it. But for me it boils down to one simple fact if i had a mac beside a pc with the same specs and good mice i would use os x 9 outta 10 times. I find that it is a far better experience on a day to day usage baisis. But sadly it cant play a majority of new games and untill the day that a mac gets day and date releases of good games any gamer will still have windows on a mac as well as os x.

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MleB

Well, if it was the case of "I'm going to upgrade, I might as well go with OSX" that would be fine if I was seeking a replacement netbook.

Oh, wait - I can't.

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Bender2000

The assumption is that XP users are dropping everything to upgrade to Win 7. They aren't probably because they are waiting for the bugs to get ironed out for Win 7 upgraders or waiting for Black Friday to get a new system altogether. People switching to Mac keeps trickling in since they just released some hardware. The real statistic they ignore is the conversion of Vista to Win7. How's that going along??

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linkmaster6

The new ads mac is churning out aren't even clever, and I really don't remember XP having any issues other then being out for nearly a decade and well explored by the billions of people that used it.

hummmm  107 for and upgrade to Windows 7 or 1200 and above for old hardware that I can't buy my own parts for..... seems like a no brainer

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Frameboy

I love the idea of a platform without any vulerabilities or problems... but their isn't one.

 Macs have issues too, but when you have 5% (generous estimate!) of the market,  these issues are hard to see.

 

I watch the Mac commercials... they make me laugh.  I even like them... but I'm not going to switch over to a platform that can't run most of my software just because the dude from Dodgeball said I should.

 

In fact... I would suggest that the casting of Justin Long is perfect for a Mac.   What does he play in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE?  

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Nailer669

I thought the commercials before the Win 7 launch were funny.  Now, they are just pathetic.  I think I read an article where someone was interviewing Justin Long, and he said he didn't even own a Mac.

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SpazzAttack

The Mac's record rise in market share to 5.27% is still waaay down from the 25% market share it enjoyed in the early 1990's.  Apple views itself as a hardware company, not a software company, so seeing Apple make an official release of the Mac OS for the Intel PC platform is not going to happen.

At the 1993 Apple Developers Conference, I remember attending a secret, invitation-only demonstration of the Mac OS running on the Intel platform.  They even had multiple monitors running for the desktop (something Windows did not support).  We were really excited about this since it would open up our applications to a whole new audience.  Unfortunately, nothing came of it and Apple gave us their reasoning: "We're a hardware company, not a software company.  Releasing the Mac OS on the intel platform would hurt our sales."

Things are still the same over at 1 Infinite Loop.

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Jesterace

Untill they open up MAC OS X to run one a regular PC I do not see them gaining considerable ground against Windows as I do not need to buy a Microsoft branded PC to run Windows 7. Sure the Mac's do look pretty, but I built my Windows PC which has comparable specs for < $600 rather than going out and dropping $1500 to $2000 for a new machine.

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nekollx

 and their argument is weak "upgrade to us! i mean why not!*"

*Note all your windows programs will also have to be bought again, oh and we might not have something equivilent.

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dag1992

It's been 2 weeks, sheesh, market analysts are a silly bunch for making such huge assumptions so early on. Both OSX and Windows 7 are good OS in their respective ways, it's all down to personal preference. Oh and on the new Mac v PC ads; they're pretty pathetic considering they showcase no facts at all.

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Caboose

 Which ads? As soon as I see Justin Long In The Tooth on the TV, I mute it and do something else or change the channel (unless I'm recording the channel).

 

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dag1992

Well, whatever float your boat but here they are for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOvzGiheOM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4D5B8H0U8w&feature=PlayList&p=FE44016EA5A64121&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=27#

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Caboose

 It's a real shame that the stupid are so easily swayed by crap marketing (yes it's working, but it's still crap!). There's also the fact that the OS has only been available for a week. So, I'm to understand that this market research moron believed that everyone and their dog was going to run out and buy Windows 7. Lets see what happens in a month or two. Maybe after Christmas when most people get new PC's anyway.

I'm surprised that they weren't harping on Microsoft on launch day because millions of copies weren't flying out the door!

I hate marketing people...

 

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roleki

By itself, the fact that Win7 was able to pick up nearly the same market share as OSX in less than a week tells you all you need to know.  But go a little deeper into the matter - Win7 debuted at the absolute worst time in terms of IT budgeting (Q4 in a down economy, when real numbers replace hopeful projections and budgets begin to evaporate in reaction)... and it's STILL eating up market share.  Wait until companies actually start putting budgets towards Win7 purchases... it's sales on real-world PCS will dwarf OSX, and then real sales numbers will reveal Apple's top-of-the-line OS as the trendy, useless lapdog that it is.

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