Google Restores Maps for Windows Phone, But For How Long?

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Jeffrey Deutsch

Hello,

You mentioned Google's "decision to cripple contact and calendar management for Gmail users." I'm a little confused here...what are you referring to?

Thanks!

Jeff Deutsch

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Jerjef

I really can't understand Google's decision to side with the one company that has given them the most grief. Webkit is an Apple product used predominantly in all Apple products. After all the lawsuits regarding Android and the whole Google Maps thing, why are they still standing shoulder to shoulder with them and kicking MS down at every opportunity? First the Youtube fiasco and now Google Maps. Are they afraid of Windows Phone 8? Do they see it gaining a certain amount of momentum that could be threatening to them?

Also who decided that Webkit was the "standard"? Trident has been around a lot longer, but I guess once again whatever Apple says goes.

Besides if pinch to zoom is the only casualty of trident in Google Maps, no big deal considering Apple "kinda" owns that patent, meaning no one will be allowed to use it anyway, including Android.

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whr4usa

though crApple is the primary funder of WebKit's parent organization (closely followed by Google) they don't 'own' it in the legal sense and WebKit actually has its roots in the creation of an "intermediate layer" between windowing systems and text-based browser for BSD & linux

so it has been traditional considered the "open standard" for historical reasons; also becuse the 'official' W3C "test browser" is based on it more than they'd like to admit

WebKit is only used in all Apple products because Appl hasn't created anything of its own, code-wise, in a very long time and inherited several dependencies on what would become WebKit when they bought nextstep to acquire what would become Macintosh OS X which itself which itself is a bastardization of Debian-family linux subsystems atop a BSD kernel

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rcaobligatoriu

I don't know what to say but i think Microsoft try to be the best in this domain . I post somethink about Microsoft on my website : link erased and post edited to say I am a dirty spammer.

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PDX-1337

That's right, you truly don't know what to say

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gabs1981

Microsoft has made significant strides towards supporting web standards

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saffy

Pro journalism tip: commas and periods go inside the closing quotation. For example: "John." and not "John".

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I can sense there's an overall hostility in the air here...

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Gauntylgrym

Honestly, if I were Google, I'd say "screw you", too. Why should Google have to re-engineer they're maps just to accommodate MS's decision to go with a non-standard/proprietary rendering engine? Not supporting it would not be "evil", or punitive to WP users. It would be a natural consequence of MS trying to "lock down" their ecosystem and be like Apple (which I think is just stupid).
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Frankly, I'm kinda disappointed Google gave in.

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whr4usa

the only thing proprietary about Microsoft's Trident is they don't freely release source code for modification

Google's lack of engineering foresight, not Microsoft's lack of standards-support is what caused this problem in the first place.

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Mr_Histamine

I'm not; that "close call" with the FTC was probably enough to slap them back into reality. Yes, Microsoft may be using a terrible engine, but they don't have the right to force their preferred standard on any other corporation or company.

This had the makings of a 90s era Microsoft story. I'm glad they gave in, because it proves they still believe in an open internet (instead of being a standards tyrant).

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miked6875

Totally agree, let MS fix it.

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Formedras

They never had to support Trident, they just had to NOT BLOCK IT. The message I got was: "How we want it to be or NOT AT ALL." In other words, completely evil.

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gatorXXX

They didn't just "block it." It worked but not very good. So Google decided to pull the plug on this "trident" instead of spending resources of their own to fix it.

Why should Google spend money and resources to fix their product to work with a competing product that decided to use a non standard web based coding? Also, would you ever see MS bend over backwards to re-code Windows 8 to allow android apps to be used on it's new "metro" UI?

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whr4usa

actually Google Maps is hat's using nonstandard webcode on the backend

...and microsoft has a ton of documentation and tools available to allow direct porting of Android apps to WinRT regardless on which language they';re currently using, though obviously some are more redily ported than others

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Mr_Histamine

The bug they "fixed", has blocked it. If you attempt to access Google Maps (on a W7/8 device), you get the map with pins, but cannot click through (nor get directions). You can still click the address and get directions through the device's native navigation, so it's not a huge loss...just a bit ridiculous.

They should spend money to "fix" their product, because it is a web-based product NOT a ecosystem-specific application. I have a feeling - if Microsoft pulled this crap, you'd be at the front of picket line, crying foul...

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Neufeldt2002

"If you intend to stay in the Windows Phone ecosystem, you might want to start looking long and hard at what Google services you can replace with Microsoft offerings. One day in the not so distance future, you might not have a choice."

Some say that this may be Microsoft's plan all along as they are trying to close off the windows ecosystem and force everything through MS's own offerings.

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whr4usa

Map Point > Earth 'Enterprise' > Streets Tips > Earth 'Public' > Bing Maps > Maps (Google) > Maps (crApple)

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remc86007

A 180 perhaps, but not a 360.

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Justin.Kerr

Isn't everything with Microsoft a 360?

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DeltaFIVEengineer

That left me scratching my head as well.

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KenLV

IDK, if it was available, then wasn't, but now is, you are back where you started...360.

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whr4usa

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