Game Developers Bash Microsoft's "Wrongheaded" Windows 8 Strategy

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Shalbatana

So much about so little.

So the metro apps are locked down, that's good for tablets and phones. Windows was built on the open-endedness of it's system. Users loved the ability to tweak and tinker. I don't think Microsoft is stupid enough to end that (well... maybe).

What we really might be heading for is another 'platform'to compile for. Windows "programs" should be open ended.

[The OS portion formerly known as] Metro (or should we just make a symbol?) "applications" should be locked down.

The open-endedness should depend on where and how it's used. If you buy from the app store, it's locked, if not, it isn't.

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or better yet, release a ver of win8 "desktop" without the "metro-style" interface and make everyone happy.

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jgottberg

It's so funny how some of you get your panties is such a huge, tight wad about this. It's obvious that Microsoft's strategy is to roll out something that appeals to the masses. Keyword - MASSES. Not the less than say, 5% of power users that build five thousand dollar PC gaming rigs. Microsoft could probably care less if Windows 8 plays games. That's why they are all-in with the Xbox and game development for that platform with an occasional port to the PC. Like it or not, PC gaming isn't the money maker it used to be.

Back when PC gaming was still relevant; games that pushed the hardware's capabilities also nudged PC innovation. Sad to say we are now in an era of tablets with quad core procs and cell phones that are capable of more than ever before with very simple, and intuitive interfaces. For the MASSES, is it really necessary that Windows 8 support gaming? Not really... The MASSES have spoken and they want eye-candy interfaces and "Apps" that perform one simple dedicated function, preferably available for free, that can be downloaded easily from some sort of online marketplace.

Obviously, Microsoft is NOT a Not-For-Profit business and has stakeholders to answer to. Microsoft is much more interested in pleasing them, the investors that pump money into them, than the less than 5% that want to game on their PC's. Not saying it's right but they are just trying to appeal to the masses.

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Khoiboi

The "masses" still use windows XP. The "masses" won't willingly upgrade to windows 8 without a reason and do you think connectivity between multiple devices is a good reason? The "masses", a majority of which are companies with hundreds of company-owned computers, won't upgrade their hardware because of windows 8.

Personally, I predict that Windows 8 is going to make a blip in Tablet and Phone sales. They'll also incorporate it in some kind of ultrabook + touchscreen device that would be abysmal.

A year from now, we'll be reading articles about how we should have seen the failure that was Windows 8 coming.

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jgottberg

A year from now Microsoft will still be selling Windows 8 to the masses and making money hand over fist doing it.

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Straegen

"Back when PC gaming was still relevant;" Do you really think it isn't today? PC game sales are larger than console sales and have been for a couple years now. Also the MMO market is utterly dominated by the PC. While online writers might be hailing the end of PC gaming, it is still king of the hill compared to the revenues generated on consoles, mobile, tablets, etc and will continue to be for quite a while.

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jgottberg

Hey Straegen,

I really don't think PC gaming is as big as it once was. I'd be willing to bet that Rovio (Angry Birds) probably had higher revenues than a PC only game publishing company.

Obviously, for people that read MaxPC, gaming is HUGE on the PC. But in more mainstream audiences... it just doesn't have the appeal that other platforms have. The constant need to upgrade components, drivers, etc...

These are just my observations, not an indictment on PC gaming.

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Megaman1221

PC gaming is currently the fastest growing platform for gaming. Why do you think a company like Epic, who made millions off of Gears of War is doing a PC exclusive for their next project? Or why EA has said that their focus for the future is on PC gaming? Do you really think that something like Day Z, a mod that is very much in Alpha for Arma II reached 1,000,000 players because of how unpopular PC gaming is?

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jgottberg

Really?? Fastest growing?? Do you realize what you are admitting to? That PC gaming HAS been down and is STILL down. We could have a pissing contest about this all day long but it would be fruitless. You named ONE title exclusive to the PC. ONE. How many PS3, Xbox, Wii exclusives are there? Probably dozens. And a million people playing a game on the PC... Look at how many gamers are playing MW2, Madden, and BF3 on a console. A helluva lot more.

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ewoeckel

Starcraft, Warcraft, Diablo, Minecraft, League of Legends, Guild Wars, TorchLight, The Old Republic, Civilization (all of them), Total War, Arma, Dota, any decent flight sim, MMO or RTS.

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zaphodbeeblebrox 42

+1
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jgottberg

Not so fast with a declaration of a winner :)

MW3 sold 10 million copies.... on the FIRST DAY.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-3-nearly-10-million-copies-sold-on-day-one/

That's just one title. I don't have the time to research the rest but but by all means, please continue my research and get back to me :)

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ewoeckel

You are looking at the total market number, which was closer to 9.3M. Consoles had about 90% of the market (xbox and ps3), leaving 10% to PC. Lets not buff the numbers in your favor. Below are 2 PC exclusive games on opening day:

Diablo 3: 3.5M
Starcraft 2: 1.8M

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jgottberg

Those are decent numbers but it illustrates my point. If I'm a company looking to turn a profit and sell as many copies of something as I can, I would release it to the largest audience. Many more people game on a console these days than a PC.

9.3 million console copies at say $55 each = $511,500,000
3.5 million PC copies at say $55 each = $192,500,000

Don't know about you but my company is going after the larger audience. It's the same thing with tablet and phone apps. Why wouldn't Microsoft want to tap into that? They would be insane NOT to.

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John Pombrio

I don't get it. I simply don't get it. I have been using Win8 from day one of the beta release and it works JUST LIKE WIN7 on the desktop. Yes, there is no start button and the charms bar is a bit different but it essentially acts exactly the same as Win7.
WIN8 PLAYS GAMES! All sorts of games, ALL the games. It runs Steam, it runs D3, WoW, Endless Space, Skyrim, ALL my games. They seem to run as fast, if not faster, on Win8 as on Win7. WTF are these guys complaining about?
As for Metro, or once was Metro, and will again be Metro once they buy the rights, I DON'T USE METRO. I just stick to the desktop. What on earth is so hard about that? Hit the Win key and you are in the desktop! For God's sakes, this is not rocket science to ignore Metro. Even if you run a game from Metro that is NOT an app, it will automatically go the the desktop, right?
I LIKE Win8 over Win7. It is definitely MUCH faster and does multitasking and copying files faster as well. I heard tell that Win8 is more secure, good for my sons. I will be upgrading all of my machines when it comes out.
If the games companies put a ban on playing on Win8, so be it. I will boot on my Win7 boot option. In the meantime, I will continue playing my games on Win8 whether Valve or Blizz trashes it.

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Straegen

It isn't a question so much of capability but how MS is closing up the platform. MS looks to be headed to an Apple strategy where it could become a walled off platform. Companies like Valve which is a market app won't be able to compete with a built in market app from MS. Blizzard which wants to head toward a subscription service won't either. Win8 is a game changer for the Windows market space and these very successful companies have a good reason to fear change.

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Pulagatha

Apparently, John Carmack in his speech at QuakeCon the other day said he didn't like it either. He pointed out the user interface design. You know what I wish? I wish I had tabs on the file explorer.

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Raver

*Post pending permission from Microsoft*

-Sent from Tablet... erm... Desktop thingy with big blocks and pretty colours.

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chart2006

If this happens it will become time to "retire" Microsoft and support a more open platform (Linux). :-)

RIP Windows as we will miss you.

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strykyr

You sir, are a dumbass.

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jgottberg

If I had a dollar for every post I've read saying they will switch to Linux... or some other free OS... For gods sake, if that were really an option, Windows ME or Vista would have been the OS to shove every PC user over the edge to install a different OS. But guess what? We didn't.

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Supall

Please. Linux is still a niche OS. It may be widely used around the world, but most of the population utilize Windows and OSX. You won't find them going to Linux (choosing a distro) in droves. It just isn't going to happen.

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Neufeldt2002

The only reason Windows is the dominant OS is because of questionable business tactics way back when with Intel. Google it. There were better OS's at the time that got killed because of it. IBM was once the force to reckon with, and they are still fairly huge, but they still fell in the PC world. MS is the dominant player right now, but that doesn't mean they will be in the future.

For the record, I only dabble with Linux.

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davelray

Ahh the days of OS/2 Warp. Now there's an OS I miss.

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strykyr

And you Sir, are also a dumbass. IBM? Really? geez.

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Hey.That_Dude

And you sir really are a dumb ass. Everything he said is true. So if you don't have anything productive, useful, or even slightly intelligent to say... don't say it.

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