The Game is Afoot: "Mac Defender" Malware Already Evolving

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mrrellim

I said it the other day and I'll say it again - there are a bunch of a-holes on this site. It is not all Mac users who have said that the OsX operating system could not get a virus, it was the one's who don't know what they were talking about.

 

It all comes down to how smart an individual user is and if they ask themselves the question of "I don't remember downloading or installing a program, so should I really enter in my admin password or click the OK button?".

And yes there is a "Apple Tax" but at the same time it's worth it for not having to deal with the constant pain in the a$$ of having something that is not working properly.

 

But then again if all you little boys got real jobs and moved out of your parents basements maybe you could afford the "Apple Tax" and then you would stop being so jealous of those of us who can.

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bikeboy99

 

"And yes there is a "Apple Tax" but at the same time it's worth it for not having to deal with the constant pain in the a$$ of having something that is not working properly."

It sems you're replacing the claim of Mac's virus invulnerability with the equally ridiculous claim that "Macs are more stable"

The fortune500 tech company I intern at is all Windows 7, with Linux servers.  I can't say I experience a "constant pain in the a&& of having something that is not working properly."  In fact, we intentionally don't buy Macs, because they're too restricted, and really have no place in the business world.  (unless its a design-related company/division)

People who like macs for the OS should be pissed that Apple ties the OS to their restricted, overpriced computers.  Instead, you blindly accept their "tax" like a good fanboy should.

 

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Cregan89

Oh and

"It is not all Mac users who have said that the OsX operating system could not get a virus, it was the one's who don't know what they were talking about."

Mac's being immune to viruses and trojans was a MAJOR selling point in Apple's own marketing campaign!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQb_Q8WRL_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TABhGdeGyM&feature=related

Come on... Get your head out of your ass, you're just making yourself look stupid.

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Engelsstaub

Get your head out of the past.

When did those commercials come out? Apple warns its users and Jobs himself said that Mac users should be using an AV application.

If we're going back let's start talking about Vista again, yeah? All of the Mac users I know will concede that Win 7 is decent.

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Caboose

The issue with Vista rest a lot on the shoulders of Intel and nVidia. The majority of PCs running Vista that had issues had nVidia components in them, and Intel bitched and moaned until their bottom of the barrel basic and crap IGP solutions were declaired Vista ready.

XP had just as many issues when it first came out, most of which stemmed from drivers as it was moving from the Win9x platform to the NT platform. Moving from XP to Vista had a lot of the same issues that were a result of non-ready drivers from hardware manufacturers. Vista spent a very long time in development before it was released compared to Windows 7.

Once service pack 1 for Vista was released (Mac users referr to service packs as an entirely "new" OS) the majority of issues were gone. SP2 did a little house cleaning, but all-in-all, once the growing pains had stopped, Vista was fine as an OS.

Shall we bring up MacOS 9 if you want to talk about crappy OS'?

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Engelsstaub

Yeah, go ahead bring it up. You already know I'm primarily a Windows user.

...didn't even own a Mac then. In fact the last time I used a Mac before Snow Leopard was the Apple IIe.

Vista, IMO, was a bloated piece of crap that MS rightfully went swiftly out of their way to remedy with Windows 7 (for the fee of a "new" OS, of course.) And it worked like shit on the "legacy" hardware that most people had. That's why people clung to XP even after the Service Packs...EVEN people at magazines like this (back when overgrown fanbois weren't passing off negative/unresearched garbage about a platform they never even mention otherwise.)

As for Intel, my biggest problem with them should be more of a concern to people here then a Mac they'll never be forced to buy: they incrementally release their technology to keep everyone buying their expensive-assed "power-user" CPUs. I have a PC with an i7 but can do just as much on my computer with a Core 2 Duo. They keep cranking out "improvements" incrementally to devalue our computers (PC or Mac) and keep themselves rich at the expense of the suckers who think they will be bad-ass or will really need the newest one every six to twelve months.

Which reminds me: I see an awful lot of Mac users still happily using their "overpriced" hardware (Powerbooks, etc, etc) long after people like myself are looking to upgrade our PCs/PC laptops. In fact many of these "overpriced/underpowered pieces of crap" seem to have respectable resale value. My $2300 Alienware m15x was rendered worthless in less than a year by Intel and Dell's latest price-points in general. Much of my motive for paying for a name like Alienware was what I thought would be some resale value. Not the <$200 my previous $750 Gateway laptop could fetch after just one year. I think I've learned my lesson now. When it comes to laptops I'll just stick with the glowing fruit. The workmanship is above and beyond all PC laptops and the battery-life of nearly 10 hours makes me not care that I can't just easily replace it myself. In fact I've never carried spare batteries with my PC laptops.

But Win7 is a great OS. It is a good choice for the average user and really lacks nothing. See Caboose, it's all about balance and being rational.

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Cregan89

"But then again if all you little boys got real jobs and moved out of your parents basements maybe you could afford the "Apple Tax" and then you would stop being so jealous of those of us who can."

Haha that's funny seeing as most "real-work" is done on PC's, not Mac's. Case in point: http://i.imgur.com/Z3Q0y.jpg (obviously a joke but still proves my point)

Banks: Windows
Server's of any kind: Windows Server or Linux
Word-processing or spread sheets: Windows, (or in the case of University Students) Mac's running Microsoft Office
Software development for software not specifically for iOS: Windows or Linux

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Caboose

"And yes there is a "Apple Tax" but at the same time it's worth it for not having to deal with the constant pain in the a$$ of having something that is not working properly."

Wait, what? Every device, everywhere, can fail or have issues at any time. Double check those components in a Mac next to a PC. I think the motherboards are made by Foxxcon, who also makes components for PCs. RAM, is prob. from Kingston, HDD's from WD or Seagate, CPU from Intel, GPU from AMD or nVidia, ODD from Samsung, LG, Sony, Lite-On or one of the other multitude of manufacturers.

Both systems use the same components, so then it falls back to the OS, which we are learning as of late, isn't as impervious to infection as everyone was lead to believe.

I know a number of Mac users that have constant issues, and I know Windows users that also have constant issues. Sometimes you get dealt a bad piece of hardware, and sometimes, the fault lies with the user.

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ChatterboxChuck

I don't wish any kind of malware on anyone. But this is really a good thing as it does teach people, mainly Mac users, that their systems are not perfect and that we should be united in fighting against those who create such damaging codes rather than being snotty and acting as if one is better than the other.

Mac users need to stop being such jack-asses as just because this is only one compared to the hundreds that exist for Windows doesn't mean it will be the last one for a while. This could easily be the beginning of a really bad run for Mac users and they will only be seen as fools for paying more for a product that could potentially be just as bad as their competition.

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RtDK

There! Now us PC- and Mac-users can be friends again, since we have everything in common. 'Cept computer games ... but, baby-steps!

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Engelsstaub

"'Cept computer games:" Steam and Boot Camp. Now you have everything in common (except Mac users can plug in a 1Tb drive and actually see one terabyte...not get robbed of 35 to 50.)

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chipmunkofdoom2

Wrong.

Some Steam games run natively on OS X, but not all games do. It's mostly the Valve games.

Dual booting is nice, but you have to pay the Mac tax and for the Windows license, not to mention for boot camp. If you're purchasing everything legally, you're paying more. Not worth it.

A 1TB drive is a 1TB drive. It has the same amount of platters, sectors, and capacity whether it's plugged into an Apple product or a PC. The difference is all in book keeping. Search on Wikipedia for Gibibyte and Gigabyte. Read and learn.

The basic idea is that a computer sees a kilobyte as 2^10, or 1024 bytes. Hard drive manufacturers sell their drives assuming 1KB is 1000 bytes. Big whoop, 24 bytes.. but when you extrapolate that out over 1 trillion bytes, it adds up. Like you said, to around 50GB. That's not a flaw in Windows or Macs being better, that's shady advertising by the drive makers. Computers think in multiples of 2, so the drive makers using a 10^x space definition is senseless. Window's definition of 2^10 for a KB is more accurate, but the OS X method isn't incorrect.. just somewhat misleading. The reason you see the full TB in OS X is because OS X accounts for disk space like drive manufacturers do. Search on Apple's site for "How Mac OS X and iOS report storage capacity", Apple tells you exactly how it gets it's storage numbers.. the same way as drive makers. So, bottom line is OS X takes the drive manufacturer's line of thinking and thinks 1KB is 1000 bytes instead of 1024, 1MB is 1,000,000 bytes instead of 1,048,576 bytes and so on. Microsoft doesn't give you less space and Apple doesn't give you more. It's all in the accounting.

Mac users feeling animosity right about about this whole malware debacle should be careful to note that most PC users don't hate on you as a person or hate on you because you use a Mac (I'd have a Mac somewhere in my arsenal if they were cheaper. OS X is a slick looking operating system.).. it's your piss poor, holier-than-thou attitude that PC users can't stand. Anyone who brings out the better/worse comments in relation to Macs/PCs is trolling. The bottom line is computers are tools. Use them how you will, use the ones you like, and use the one that fits your needs best.. but don't think you're a better, more refined person because of your chosen tool.

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Engelsstaub

Nobody pays for Boot Camp and a Windows license is usually 99 American dollars on Newegg.

I have Steam on both the PC and the Mac. I know what works and what does not.

"My" piss-poor holier-than-thou attitude?? As I've said before this is mostly the imagination of the little kiddy trolls and their mentors/"journalists" on this site. Go over to the sister-site Mac|Life or Macworld and see how many people are raging like a bunch of little retards when someone mentions Windows. Once in a blue moon someone will say they tried a new game on Windows and someone else will ask "you use Windows??" half kidding. And that's about it.

I am a Windows user too. I know many Mac users in the Really Real World. None of them have the time or concern to give a rat's ass who uses what and how much they paid for it. People that spend most of their time in mommy and daddy's basement are the ones I imagine shit all over themselves. "OH MY GOD WHAT'S THAT ASSHOLE JOBS DOING NOW? I don't ever plan on owning an Apple product but my life is so void of meaning that I must direct my vengeance towards imaginary capitalist foes."

...and they're just led on by the current staff of this publication. If Max PC ever reported anything about Apple that had a neutral tone there pathetic agenda woud not be so obvious. Not to mention they don't even do any fact-checking like real journalists would.

As I've stated before: my PC cost far more than my MBP.

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dracx619

i think this whole animosity for apple has been compounding over time with their increasingly more deceptive mac vs pc ads to their cult like zombie followers increasing and so on. i know for me it went from "meh, computers we use at school" to lame, annoying, dislike, severe dislike, to "get this crap away from me." working in media, i have no choice but to use a mac but im ok with it, i just have issues with the company and a lot of its users. i did encounter plenty of apple nuts in the REALLY REAL world who walked around with a smug arrogance about them giving me crap for using photoshop with windows and editing with premiere instead of fcp. same old shtick every time, "oh, windows is a virus magnet, it crashes all the time, oh we have expose, spaces...its just works." blah, blah, blah...let me just collect another award from work i created on my super crashprone, virus ridden windows machine. but to be fair, of course not all apple users are like that and i had some friends who were chill about it. point is, that stereotype exists because it holds true in a way. it only takes one turd to contaminate a bathtub of water.

as much as i hate apple, i dont care what people use, go for what you like. i just wish more people made more informed decisions instead of "oh, windows has viruses, let me get a mac!" or "hmm, i need an mp3 player, which ipod should i get?" and what the hell is this whole making line for a stupid phone or tablet?

so when i see stories like this, i smile, i giggle, then i move on. i little slap in the face of things or people you dislike is always a little fun.

as far as the money thing goes....its like whatever, if someone wants to spend an assload of money for something that is really worth two thirds or half, then go for it. it must feel good to know one has that kind of money to throw away. and this isn't just a dig at apple, its for all those "premium" computers like alienware as well. for me, i rather pocket that extra money and get something else like idk, production equipment, some games....dang, savings for all i care.

long story short dude, i think you are wasting your breath here. i say just let it be and let people live in their own little world. you are right, and all the people yo uare fighting with are right; different truths for different people. you may disagree with me but just wait a bit and someone else will disagree with you again right back.

the real reason im even posting is cause, well im bored and there's some downtime at work.

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Spencer Taylor

I will gladly take a hit on hard drive space, which is dirt cheap, vs the insanely overinflated prices Apple charges for its hardware. Hardware which is identical, in almost every way, to "WinTel" machines. So you can feel good about your "space", I feel better about my wallet.

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Engelsstaub

Or the insanely overinflated price of my Alienware

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Spencer Taylor

Lol, that's funny! I can't argue with that. That's why I roll my own :)

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Engelsstaub

That would be my choice as well. You can't beat a PC desktop created from parts by yourself (or friend if one's not so inclined.)

It's just when you need a laptop, you really don't have that option.

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Gezzer

You know what I think is so funny?

Anyone making the distinction between a virus and a trojan. That's what.

 

A virus as a piece of code that hides in a file. normally some sort of executable, and when the file is run it copies it's self into other files, thereby infecting the system. It can often carry a payload as well, anything from a message that will pop up when the system clock reaches a certain date/time to infecting outgoing e-mail and even totally destroying the opertating system.

 

A trojan is a piece of code that hides in a file, normally some sort of executable and when the file is run it does not copy it's self into other files. Instead it contacts a server and downloads more code to allow the writer to do all sorts of things to the host computer such as make it a bot, steal passwords, etc.

 

So first off it should be obvious that getting a virus is often easier then a trojan, because a viruses main task is to replicate. A trojan is harder to get because you actually have to let it take over your system. As well most viruses were written just to mess with other people in the writers group (black hat, grey hat, white hat, whatever). Trojans are meant to take over the host system and are often written by criminals. That's why trojan's are the more comman infection today. So a rose by any other name.....

Come on, virus or trojan, it's an infection either way. I'm sure if any of the hacks that write viruses used Macs that there would be Mac viruses. But there isn't instead you have a trojan. WOW, what a difference. lol

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Spencer Taylor

In a way, this is a positive thing because it will smack Apple fanatics off the Coolaid. This will just be the beginning of the onslaught on OS X. Almost every security firm predicted that malware will increase exponentially when Mac usage hit 15% or higher. I am not a troll or Mac basher. I own a iPhone and run OS X 10.6 in Vbox in Win 7. No OS is "safe" and Apple will be the next SONY if they don't own up to that reality. Hello Norton 2012 for OS X :)

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compguytracy

For Mac, (or MAC users, god your an insolent troll), just remember, all software is designed for The PC, not all software is for a mac, as far as nomenclature and idioms are, A pc usually refers to a Windows machine, but i digress. The ability to over pay for a piece of proprietary hardware, is the main reason mac users are dumb. they remind me of south park, where the prius users smelled there own farts, as they though their shit smelled better.

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mattman059

I love reading about Mac viruses, trojans, malware.....it makes me smile...and makes me laugh at all those people that used to say "Macs dont get viruses".....ahh increasing marketshare...gotta love it

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DriZzLe

Well, a Trojan is still an Infection. I hate that anyone gets these, but I have to admit, it makes me smile a bit...smug macheads getting their due.

Really, Apple hasn't had much to say at all since Windows 7.

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Spencer Taylor

Absolutely. Bottom line, Malware is Malware regardless of the OS. It doesn't matter if it is technically a "virus" or not - it is bad. In fact, viruses are relatively easy to deal with nowadays, in part because there is so much data and good tools to get rid of them. There are much worse types of Malware than a "virus", and they will all manifest on OS X now that its market share is worth the effort.

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Havok

Prepare to eat your heart out Will Smith, Norman Chan and Gary Whitta!

Seriously though, only people with less than a half a brain would fall for that trojan, unfortunately, the vast majority of Apple users (at least thaat I know of) are like this!

http://bit.ly/61Hv3U

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Engelsstaub

Chan brought us Linux advice ...which is relative to the "PC" world. Why would any of these people be eating there hearts out? Only in some world imagined by tiny little troll-minds.

I'll bet you don't "know" any Mac users beyond your keyboard whilst eating Cheetos and drinking sodas.

F__k your links.

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Havok

I don't know if replying to you would do any good, but.... 

If you've ever listened to the Podcast, you would know that Gary Whitta abandoned PCs and jumped on board the Apple bandwagon because of a hard-drive failure, rage quitting like a little baby. Smith was pissed at Chan for 'ruining the experience' and 'being a poser' for running the Win7 beta on his Macbook. Why? A love for fruit.

Now that all 3 are at Tested, they can run free, if you would, with their Apple toys. However, Chan is still awesome, Smith is still an opurtunist as Gordon put it (still awesome also) and Whitta is using his 27 inch Mac as a monitor for his gaming PC (still raging on PC sutff).

Jokes are funny dude, try 'em out some time.

Oh, and I don't even like Cheetos, CAD used to be funny and my Mac using friends pointed out that comic about themselves.

So k__f your post

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iwrk4dedpr

@ChyITGuru

You know I don't think it's that anybody is saying that Windows is better.. It's actually the other way around.  It's people finally sticking MAC users nose back in their own dodo...  I may concede that platform and OS wise maybe MAC is a better machine than a WIntel.  What I think is so hillarious here is that because the MAC base was so fargin small that nobody took the time to write a virus, and that all them MAC afficianados out there took that to mean.. OMG this OS is friggin bullet proof.

Well now them MAC owners can get a taste, how did a previous article put it, of the real internet. I wonder MAC / Tablet connections how much crap could easily go back and forth between these two platforms.. Wonder if there's a lot of back door trusting on SYNC'ing going on...

Oh by the way... I've thought long and hard about it, and my next purchase probably will be my first MAC... Hard to swallow tho on that price premium. Now that MAC OS' can get virus' what is that premium paying for?  Video is video, HDD is HDD, CPU is CPU, and Memory is Memory... Ok.. I'd pay $100 bucks more for the better looks.

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level1paladin

The only PC users who get viruses or malware are those who don't know what they're doing.  Sure, you can trip up because theres TONS of it out there for PC's, but the majority of in-the-know people go virus free for years and years and years.

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GetOverIt

MAC is for media access control as in an address for networks. Mac is short for Macintosh (Apple, get it). I would like to assume that you know the distinction since you read this magazine/website. As far as getting the real internet, just because you drive a Geo doesn't mean you get less of a real road than if you drove a Ferrari. It is all about the experience. That is what Apple says you pay for when you buy Apple. Also from a technicians standpoint troubleshooting a Mac is way easier than troubleshooting a Windows based machine (PC if you prefer but that terms applies to both Macs and Windows based machines). Does malware for Mac mean a new way of doing things for Mac? Slightly. This not the first Trojan for Mac. Nor will it be the last I am sure. There hasn't been a virus for Mac yet just fake popups and Trojans just like in the Windows world. Practice safe web habits and you should be fine. My Windows machine hasn't goth a virus on it years since I learned how to take care of myself online. My Mac just better though. That is why that is my preferred platform. Ubuntu is still up and coming but you get used to whatever you use. If Windows or any Linux diatro gets as easy to use as Mac then that might be my preferred platform btu for now this is what it is.

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Spencer Taylor

Apparently, "technician" you can not spell. I assume this extends to your ability to read as well. Working in InfoSec, I assure you Mac's are every bit as "unsafe" as any other OS. The difference is that Windows users are more educated about Malware, while Mac snobs like you think Steve Jobs craps gold. I don't want to see Mac owner's "hurt", I want to see them educated in reality so EVERYONE is safer.

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dtischerd

this story just keeps getting better and better..i'm just gonna LOL.

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ChyITGuru

Wow, gotta love the Apple Haters, Windows gets Viruses and Malware too, this is a joke how everyone is ragging on Apple, are all of you saying Windows is perfect? I think not! I have been in the IT Field for over 10 years and Microsoft is no better. OSX is more stable than Windows and is less likely to get a virus or malware but it happens. Granted Apple does charge a lot more for there hardware I will give it that much.

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Caboose

No OS is perfect. It doesn't matter who made it. It is made by humans and therefore it is flawed from the first line of code. We Windows users aren't saying that Windows is virus free or free of faults.

It seems that this latest bit of malware is going to be egg on Apple's face. With everyone toting that they are impervious to infection while using a Mac, this is a big wake up call. Especially since its evolved to the point where all the user has to do is click a button. Next iteration will be no user involvement at all.

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graydiggy

Its because all the mac fans say that it is virus proof, or virus free. well here is the proof that they are wrong.

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macncapn

And those mac fans would be right, the mac os is currently virus free, this is a trojan, there is a difference.

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MdX MaxX

Do you think Mac users can differentiate between different types of malware?  To them, any infection is called a virus.

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iwrk4dedpr

@gradiggy

Amen.... brother/sister!

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Blaze589

Mac users found themselves in an episode of the Twlight Zone.

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level1paladin

Best. News. Ever. 

 

 

MOAR MALWARE!

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Brad Chacos

All Apple jokes aside, level1paladin, you should grind some goblins or something. You get Lay on Hands at level 2, and that's totally half the reason to play a Paladin.

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Baer

Perhaps Microsoft will make a version of Security Essentials for Mac users?..... (Nah)

Welcome to the real world, you are a bank with money so you are a target to be robed.

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hammeredtoast

I know it's malicious of me to admit, but I hope the reason that OS X is getting messed with is because it's simply an Apple product, and this is the creation of a disgruntled Windows (or whatever else) lover.

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iwrk4dedpr

ROFL

 

Hmmmm Windows has Service Packs....

What will Apple have...

-- MAC Pack

-- Mc Pack

-- App Pack

-- hmmmmmm

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brettofamerica

quick get Microsoft to patent anything that has to do with the name Service Pack so they can sue Apple and they can get a feel for what it feels like when they sue everyone that uses the words "App Store"

*checks for lawyers*

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dracx619

iPack fool!

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Ashton2091

LOL, Excellent

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Andacious

I'm so excited for Apple users to realize the garbage they really have

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kevaskous

pwn3d

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