Gabe Newell: Apple Poses a Bigger Threat to Steam Box Than Microsoft

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Shalbatana

I disagree. Gaming is a whole ball of wax that Apple has never handled well (indeed cared about or even had a clue about). However they could make a big impact in the living room without it.

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Ledoubleu

It is a more than a little ironic that Apple would have even less gaming footprint if Valve hadn't begun supporting Apple Hardware on their very own platform. With Valve supporting Apple and recently Linux I really feel there is a much bigger picture to be seen. More specifically they're more anti-Microsoft than anti-anything else.

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chop_slap

I'd rather have something that I wouldn't have to repurchase every year @ full price because that's how Apple rolls. There is no way in hell Apple will ever allow anyone to upgrade anything. I know that if I got an Apple TV or Apple game thingy, the next year a much better one would come out with more power & features, nearly making the currently-owned unit obsolete; just like today's Iphones and Ipads.
But, people who don't know much about Tech, will likely flock to anything that looks popular and has hip commercials. Price is not an issue for these folks, particularly in America...look at credit card debt. Anyone with any marketing knowledge knows how gullible and pliable most comsumers are, particularly Americans.

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Engelsstaub

"I know that if I got an Apple TV or Apple game thingy, the next year a much better one would come out with more power & features, nearly making the currently-owned unit obsolete..."

Since the first one one in 2007 there has been two more generations of the Apple TV. (Wikipedia is hard. That's an average of one every two years. If they didn't update their hardware even that frequently you'd be saying instead "Yeah, they're not interested in further developing there old-assed tech. Just look at the Apple TV: it's the same one you could buy six years ago! Stupid Americans!")

"Price is not an issue for these folks, particularly in America...look at credit card debt. Anyone with any marketing knowledge knows how gullible and pliable most comsumers are, particularly Americans."

What are you on about?? You just really needed a pulpit for your OT nationalistic bigotry, didn't you?

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CaptainFabulous

Let's just admit it. Apple is a threat to civilization as we know it, and no expense or effort should be spared in burning it to the ground like the plague it is.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

It must be hell living in your world.

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Engelsstaub

Dude didn't even read the article. The Cap just saw "Apple poses a bigger threat" in the title and responded with typically boring fanboism and nothing of relevance.

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LatiosXT

I feel the only console Apple would make is something that would only directly compete with Ouya. And for console gamers, mobile gaming is still seen as "lol what?" Unless Apple acquires some big name IPs for itself, it ain't going anywhere.

Also I've taken anything Valve has said lately with a grain of salt. They know how to make a distribution service, but they've stumbled too much as a game developer/publisher.

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LatiosXT

I feel the only console Apple would make is something that would only directly compete with Ouya. And for console gamers, mobile gaming is still seen as "lol what?" Unless Apple acquires some big name IPs for itself, it ain't going anywhere.

Also I've taken anything Valve has said lately with a grain of salt. They know how to make a distribution service, but they've stumbled too much as a game developer/publisher.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Microsoft tried to kill PC gaming with the XBox, despite the harm that would do to their bread-and-butter products: Windows and the Office suite. While they failed to kill the PC, they wounded it nigh unto death, that it is only recently showing any signs of recovery. Still, most PC games are crappy console ports. And now Microsoft expects to kill the PC with Windows 8....

But Valve wants to drive the final nail in the coffin?

I hope it at least comes with a keyboard and mouse.

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Penterax

If MS was trying to kill off PC gaming, why did they invest so much time and effort building the best computer-oriented API suite available? (Can you say "DirectX"?)

Microsoft has long been aware of the PC as a gaming device, and continues to support it as such. However, they were also smart enough to see that there were a lot of console-conscious customers and developers that weren't necessarily competitors to PC gaming so much as another way to play.

Now, in my opinion a competitive console is getting too expensive, and they should port over anything that would have been "XBox" to the PC rather than come out with an "Xbox 720" or whatever. PC gaming is on the rise in the sense that not only are there great PC titles but many of the previous game types made for the consoles are being developed alongside console releases - they aren't just slapped-together ports.

I'm not a marketing genius, and I can see why MS would want to keep the Xbox console culture as it exists rather than risk losing it because many of those people have set ideas about PC gaming, but I'd put my money into the PC as a gaming platform after phasing out the Xbox, personally.

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Hey.That_Dude

Hold your horses there Penterax. BEST API? Since when? OpenGL has had everything that DirectX has, and has had it longer, and there are still features not supported in DirectX that OpenGL has implemented.
If you're talking about coding, then that's a matter of taste. While DirectX code tends to be a bit shorter, it's also damn near impossible to move onto any other computer system. So you've got shorter LESS PORTABLE code... makes sense. You must not be a programer, because code once done once right, used for the rest of eternity. Good luck with DirectX on that one.

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nerdstep

@Hey.That_Dude -- Not to take side on what's a better API here, but perhaps you're the one who should hold your horses. You're obviously not a programmer either, otherwise you'd at least understand that DirectX is more than just a rendering API. If you want to compare apples to apples it would behove you to speak in terms of Direct3D vs. OpenGL. Also the idea that you can write code once which will last for eternity is more than just an exaggeration, it's borderline moronic. If you're actually interested in programming though, I'd highly encourage you to further your knowledge before you go out trolling.

Cheers.

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Electrik

Boy, I dunno. Apple has the resources and the know-how to do it. The only thing missing is a console OS that can run productivity software, and they will own the living room.

Imagine a HTPC-ish console; apply the console philosophy to a do-it-all living room unit, and look out. Like consoles or not, they just work.

His comments are a little strange, though. Why would you need a new batch of friends just because you bought an Apple console? Is he refering to imaginary Facebook friends, or do your friends hate Apple that much?

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Engelsstaub

I think he means like your friends-list on Steam or XBox Live.

That's kinda true: I wanna ditch XBL but I have so many great non-IRL friends on there that it makes it hard to just pack it up and move to PSN or something.

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Electrik

Not an online gamer, didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying.

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Mediziner

I bet if Valve put all their resources in, they could possible make the console go extinct. Highly unlikely and they would have to put use all of their resources, but there is a chance.

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tony2tonez

Gabe should have added because the isheep will buy anything. Its just another way for them to play Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja. No console/pc gamer would ever spend the money to game on Apple.

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PCWolf

I am a PC & Console Gamer. & I can say for certain that I will NEVER EVER game on any Apple or Android Device while at home. Now, I will play Angry Birds while waiting to be called at an Appointment or while traveling on the Bus or Plane.

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tony2tonez

exactly, those games are great for what you said. Like I would want to play those games on my 55" Panasonic Plasma.

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dgrmouse

@Tony2Tonez: There's a subtle difference between your statement and the one you replied to. The original statement was against playing games on a portable device while at home. Your statement was a little more extreme. Don't you think that great games can transcend platforms? Personally, I enjoy Waking Mars and Spacechem (from the Humble Indie Android bundles) on every platform I've tried them on.

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Toggi3

Look at the Apple TV rev 3. It has bluetooth, it has graphics and CPU power decent enough to compete, not be better than others, but to deliver content people love and want to buy. Apple could easily release a controller for it and open up an app store and give it a browser. It could be a huge market for apple. The fact is, they haven't done this and I've been waiting a long time thinking it was always coming. I don't think Apple has the vision nor the care to enter the interactive software business, or even open up on the livingroom platform. I could be wrong, but it seems obvious to me that the smart thing to do is and has been to open up the apple TV to other developers for quite some time now.

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Panwo1

They will but they will be competing with Xbox 720, PS4 and Google TV (among others). Everyone wants a piece of this pie, but the biggest issue is the cable companies control over the content. If you can't integrate the cable programming through it then you have a half baked solution. That is the problem that they are all facing right now

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vrmlbasic

"According to Newell, who gave a speech to a class at the University of Texas' LBJ School of Public Affairs..."

Why is the head of a software company giving a lecture at such an institution?

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Penterax

Because Newell is a lot more about how to twist things around to support his opinion than develop good game-related products that actually help his customers.

Mark my words: the Steam Box will come out, hundreds of thousands will buy it, and most will be screaming mad because it turns out to be a piece of junk.

If Newell wants to impress me (and I'm sure he doesn't), he should fix Steam before he does anything else, make it what it should be instead of what it pretends to be. He should also check with someone with a foot still in the real world before he spouts off in public.

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Panwo1

I Friggin Love Steam ,but STFU Gabe. Could someone please explain to him the demographics of an Apple iPhone user compared to an XBox 360/PS3 user. Teenage boys and young men dominate the console and gaming arena. These are not the same people who follow Apple blindly. These guys predominantly prefer Android.

In my family the people who have iPhones are all female (and myself, not that there is anything wrong with that). I am looking to switch my phone to a Wp8 device if they ever come out with a larger screen.

Bottom line is Apple = cutesy games for women and tiny little girls with pretty dresses (and me until I get a new phone).

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Toggi3

You sir are in for a world of pain when you get that new phone if you think the game selection on iOS is 'cutesy' and simple compared to a futureless platform like WP8 or a slow Java platform nobody makes money on like Android. I'll just leave it at that, lol.

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Panwo1

I agree that devs can't make much on Android

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WretchedSoul

Reading the headline I thought Apple was going to now sue SteamPowered. :P

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MarioJP

Gabe Newell ranting again. I see.

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