French Anti-P2P Bill will Kick Users off the Net & Could Spread to the Rest of the World
Posted 03/15/09 at 03:41:15 PM by Justin Kerr
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We have been keeping our eyes on a disturbing new trend within the movie and music industry over how to deal with online copyright disputes, and the news continues to worry privacy advocates. The idea of booting people off the internet without any recourse sounded harsh when we first read about it, but when it was an ocean away in Australia it didn’t raise as many eyebrows. The approach defiantly received more mainstream attention however when the RIAA began proposing similar actions in the US, and now the world is watching to see what the French do with a new proposed law called “Création et Internet”.
If passed into law, the legislation would deal very harshly with any form of file sharing, be it video or audio. Alleged offenders will first receive an e-mailed warning, followed by a registered letter, and lastly with a 3-12 month suspension of internet service. The law will also prevent users from switching ISP’s to avoid punishment, and even public hotspots will contain filters. Additionally, home users will be required to lock down home networks, and will be legally responsible for its security.
In return the French will start receiving DVD’s in a more timely fashion, and music DRM will be drastically scaled back. John Kennedy, CEO of the Global Music Trade Group trumpeted this arrangement as a fair trade off, while Jérémie Zimmermann, co-founder of a France based open internet alliance was less than impressed. “This is emblematic of how a government legislates with the same ignorance and archaism as the entertainment industries that promote the 'graduated response.' They are, like this law, doomed to fail."
Experts on both sides feel this bill has a good chance of passing into law, and if that happens, it’s only a matter of time before it starts to spread again.
Does the punishment fit the crime?
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Impossible to enforce
Submitted by Larry Lee on Fri, 03/27/2009 - 6:31am
"The law will also prevent users from switching ISP’s to avoid
punishment, and even public hotspots will contain filters.
Additionally, home users will be required to lock down home networks,
and will be legally responsible for its security."
Now the recording and movie corporations wish to use government laws to control internet access.
So now anyone with an open wireless AP will be liable for the actions of a freeloader that was banned for illegal downloading. The Wireless AP Police will come next, sniffing for open AP connections and writing citations to violators of the Open Access Point Security Patriot Act.
I don't see it happening. Impossible to enforce.
NOT. COOL.
Submitted by michaelleung on Wed, 03/25/2009 - 8:19pm
This isn't a good idea at all. So what if they get DVDs earlier that before? There's always that one group of people who will download to their grave, and someone's going to get around this.
It's already happened
Submitted by Rule4Peace on Sun, 03/22/2009 - 5:35pm
I'm a french citizen and I tell can tell you that they've already blocked LimeWire , Emule, EDonkey.
The law will actually make it better considering it's a 100$ fine right now.
Not so bad considring it's still the songwriters right to the music. But trully the best french anti piracy is www.deezer.com It's like a pandora that like's you. So there are alternative in Europe for those who don't need their Ipod to listen to music and use a PC
Submitted by dethaddict on Sat, 03/21/2009 - 8:20am
Remember and don't forget - Washington stopped talking about wiretapping for three whole years before they made it legal after getting caught anyway. That's three years all of the bitter political "enemies" found other things to worry about. They all want to do this to us and this law is another nail in our coffin.
Government wants to use this law to keep people like me from telling you things like this. :-)
Completely unenforcable
Submitted by horzo on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 12:44pm
Completely unenforcable nonsense.
Submitted by Trooper_One on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:53am
I can't belive representatives of a free and democratic country would trade off people's right to communicate so that they can get Hollywood movies faster!
Unbelievable!
Submitted by Trooper_One on Wed, 03/18/2009 - 11:51am
So if I steal a line from my 80 yro neighbour and use a modem as a medium to transmit copywrited files, would they take away her phone?
Additionally, home users
Submitted by Jox on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 6:52pm
Additionally, home users will be required to lock down home networks, and will be legally responsible for its security.
Dude... Your mom's going to jail!
Sorry, your civil rights were canceled in 2000
Submitted by Zazubovich on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 2:20pm
Pretty much when the Supreme Court decided it could decide elections. Then the Patriot Act. Then the Military Commissions Act. Patriot Act II.
Right now the law says that people can take you away and make you disappear forever to be tortured, beaten, starved, and killed and there is not a single thing you or your family can ever do about it.
The internet is just a distraction to keep you from thinking about the fact that you are less than a slave. And Obama doesn't seem to want to give up that awesome power.
k thnx bye!
Good luck stopping about a
Submitted by s3th on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 10:24pm
Good luck stopping about a billion people from downloading stuff lol
Same as Always
Submitted by Bravo_18 on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 9:55pm
We all know downloading copywritted material is wrong. period.
This law doesnt explain how in the world do they tell the difference on who is the offender using the PC.
If someone you know asked to use your PC and log onto the net, then decided to access his P2p account on your PC, downloads stuff, guess who gets the blame?. Not considering someone hacking you PC using you ISP account?..This law will only cost more trouble than good, because it doesnt clearly outline how they can do this effectively. Second Piracy is not just about people wanting something for free, most of them as pissed on how the absurd some of the prices are on this content, they dont just get it free, they get better material compared on the one that is for sale and cost alot.
They should just concentrate on how they could make the consumer buy legal stuff than trying to choke the life out on its customers or even the buying public. People like free stuff..why not put it up on the legal commodities they sell..or market...this only shows that there are a lot of unsatisfied customers out there.
Submitted by hogkill on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 10:07am
downloading copyrighted material isnt wrong. thats subjective
what if i download copyrighted material to find out whether or not its worth my money, and then go buy said item at a store if i enjoyed it? not everyone has a legal form of access to information on products.
Submitted by Stockislander on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 9:20pm
Things would get really screwed up fast. I mean, have you ever tried even getting basic service adjustments with the phone/ internet providers and had things go smoothly? Or even talk to 2 employees and get the same information? There will be law suits aplenty when the idiots that run these loathsome bureaucracies are given free hand to ban people without proof and boot innocent people off the net by droves. Come to think of it, what a great way to get revenge on someone you hate by making it appear they are doing the illegal file share watusi. I'm sure enterprising hackers can figure out ways to make this happen. hmmm....
Never will work
Submitted by Geeksquadmyss on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 6:44pm
There is no way to enforce this. Yes they can shut it off at your house but in america thats agaisnt basic civil rights which, in the event a law like this was passed in the US would cause a huge uproar, look how pissed people get when god is used in the pledge! Imagine every geek, teens with no cash, college kids etc. pissed cuz they cant get to facebook and get the latest jonas brothers CD.
Submitted by Vegan on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 9:02pm
Really...? And which basic civil right would that be, exactly? Don't get me wrong, I'm not for this, but your comment is ridiculous.
Submitted by RavenCraft on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 6:01pm
They will only find new ways to doing. If they dont do P2P they will do a hands-ons approach to it. From what I have read on the net most people do a P2P in one form or another. I think the French are also watching what is going on with the pirate bay situation. I think every thing hangs on what happen there. So later days and I know that I will keep an I on this story. But this is just only the begaining to the end of P2P, so... if you do it you better start looking for a new way or better yet if your in the US just get Netflix it cheap and legal.
Submitted by silentrob187 on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 5:53pm
If you think that the Hollywood special interest is not funneling money to the Obama administration you have your head burried in the sand. I am NOT saying this exact law will get passed but there will be more strict regulation of such content if the special interest groups have their way. Think about it. Pelosi is part of California which is in horrible economic condition and Hollywood provided Obama with millions in donations. Something will be done in congress in the next four years on this issue and Obama will be more than happy to sign it into law...
Obama sucks ASS.
Submitted by gatorXXX on Sat, 03/21/2009 - 3:01pm
Obama sucks ASS.
Submitted by DePat on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 10:35am
Just to be sure! It was a republican administration that redirected the entire internet traffic so that they can "control" and it is a republican administration that started spying on all of us and lied about it
Just checking!
DePat
Submitted by Perplexing Man on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 4:50pm
Ok I understand the need for this but seriously like others have pointed out how are they going to single you out if you are downloading illegally? I use utorrent on a semi-daily basis. I do not have cable or satelite and what few channels I get do not always come in good or do not carry the shows I watch. So if I continue to download Smallville, CSI, or Dollhouse and so on would that justify them for shutting me down? I mean hell they are all broadcasted over regular channels although when I download them there are no commercials (oops there we go they aren't making money.... well I guess it will be illegal soon). I'm all for stopping illegal downloads don't get me wrong I just want to know that if I choose to download a tv show or even an unsigned artist mp3 that I will not get booted myself.
lets hope this dies
Submitted by FoamysKing on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 4:00pm
well this i gonna be a pita recently my isp had been throttling me for months because of p2p sharing when my entire network modem and all were disconnected and what happened was they got me an a neighbor mixed up but it still took them nearly 3 months to fix it what recourse would we have it was a government law that instead of throttling our connection completely bans us.
Submitted by sasquatch42 on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 3:04pm
there are bypasses for everything
unless they block all encrypted connections, some french dude is going to set himself up a VPN server somewhere else and use that. If the block encrypted connections, business people will get pissed off.
Even China's great firewall isn't vpn proof
Submitted by Stinger9D9 on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 3:00pm
The law will also prevent users from switching ISP’s to avoid punishment, and even public hotspots will contain filters.
That would be a trick to pull off. How could they possibly block you from a public hotspot? It's public! Just don't put any info on your notebook that could be traced to you. I guess they could completely violate your privacy and track the MAC addess of your wireless card and block that, but then you could just pull that wireless card and pop in a different one. With no name to be found in the OS (heck, switch to Linux if you are worried about them scanning your Windows setup...or just try a firewall) how could they possibly keep a user with even a rudimentary knowledge of unsecured wireless networking from connecting to a public hotspot?
Anyone dumb enough to not figure out how to work around that is probably also dumb enough to have ignored an email and registered letter, and managed to get themselves banned in the first place.
Come to think of it, this may be the greatest idea yet. If they can track down and kick off all of the simpletons, imagine how many less stupid comments we would see on Youtube!
I'll second THAT!
Submitted by MyMojo on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 4:14pm
Ha Ha! Right ON! Until our president and law makers finish destroying our Constitution to the point it's completely void, a law like that wouldn't make it a day in the U.S. But I have no doubt they're working on a way to get it done.
If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
"In return the French will
Submitted by I Jedi on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:49pm
"In return the French will start receiving DVD’s in a more timely fashion, and music DRM will be drastically scaled back." I agree with this aspect right here. By reducing the time it takes to get something people want to them, then they're less likely to steal it, as proven by Steam. Also, the easing of DRM-based music is a major victory in France for DRM activist. It doesn't eliminate all the problems that prompt people to steal through P2P, etc, but it does help out a lot. The punishment sounds like a fair game, too. Although I'm no fan of government shoving its collective nose where it doesn't belong. This certainly helps, however, in stopping people from having to go to court and pay legal fines to artist, etc. No one should steal anyways, but I understand why SOME do it and why other's just do it because they can get it for free.
All 'n all I have mixed feelings about this, but for once it looks like finally the people are getting things in a much quicker fasion and DRM is being reduced, which should give people less of a reason to steal and more of a reason to buy. And, again, the law being proposed in France sounds like fair game. If it works.
Submitted by DePat on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 10:30am
You want to give unfeathered power to government or companies and hope that they will do the right thing? Well I guess you have no problem with AIG giving 160 Million bonuses to the people who created the financial mess they are in in the place or maybe you are ok with banks ceo making millions and millions of dollar while we are bailing them out and loosing our jobs. I gues you have no problems the wealthy getting more taxe cuts in the hope that they (the wealthy) will be nice enough and give us some. I guess ... buy the way, meet me in San Francisco, I have a bridge to sell you!
DePat
Submitted by Evilmale on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:46pm
When you think about it this law would totally go against basic american rights like right to privacy and right to own property by shutting down a persons internet it would be completely against these
Submitted by Vegan on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 9:06pm
I don't remember seeing anything about the Right to Internet in the Bill of Rights. That's like claiming you have a Right to a Cell Phone. You don't, it's just a service that a company provides.
Honestly, outside of the
Submitted by Cache on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:43pm
Honestly, outside of the culinary world, has France done anything that benefitted so much as a single human being in the last 200 years?
Submitted by gatorXXX on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 4:06pm
French Dip, French Fries, French toast, French Bread, French Dressing, ....um....those are all culinary huh? ok....French Doors, ok...this is hard, you got me!
Submitted by I Jedi on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 2:08pm
"Honestly, outside of the culinary world, has France done anything that
benefitted so much as a single human being in the last 200 years?"Of course they have! Just look at WW2 for example. They surrendered to the Germans early on in the war, so that they wouldn't cause more casualties on both sides to a lost war.
Submitted by hogkill on Mon, 03/16/2009 - 10:03am
I dont know how you americans can insult the french about WWII. They were one of the first to join. You guys didn't do squat until more than 2 years later. Furthermore you were nice and safe on the otherside of the globe; lucky you getting to trash talk just cuz you joined when it was almost over anyhow.
Submitted by MAJORzer0 on Mon, 03/23/2009 - 4:52am
Well I hope you're still in elementry school and just haven't gotten past WW1. You need to sit down and google WW2 or goto WIKI and see for yourself. If we Japan wouldn't have given us a good reason to enter the war then we would all be under a dictator/communist rule. We woulsn't be able to have this type of conversation. Hackers would be hero's and P2P would be considered the black market of digital information. I can imagin that you gave up for good reasons (you didn't have the heart) but crying about what grandpa did doesn't help you much.
BTW French bashing isn't cool... They are the ones that came to help when the British had Washington surrounded. Though they have fallen a bit short here latley. It's not their fault the like movies just like every one else.
~No one said it would be easy....they just said it was worth it...~
Submitted by hogkill on Thu, 03/26/2009 - 2:05pm
ur the one who should check wiki, here you go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II
France: 3 September 1939
United Kingdom: 3 September 1939
Canada: 10 September 1939<--- on other side of the planet just like the USA
United States: 8 December 1941<--- 2 YEARS AND 3 MONTHS LATER
so there's your facts. saying that america won the war isnt a fact, it's american propoganda and nobody from any other country thinks you did. do you know how many sacrifices people from other countries had to make before you decided to help out?
everyones getting the shit bombed out of them, you do nothing for two years, and when the fights half over and Hitler's forces are stretched thin you show up singing the mighty mouse themesong while other countries who could have used your help a lot sooner thank you for finally doing something. then years later the younger generations of those countries facepalm while getting trolled in MPC forums by fat american kids trying to glorify themselves
so yeah thanks for finally showing up. maybe if you and several other countries had joined sooner the war wouldn't have lasted over 5 years and a lot of kids would still have their grandparents today.
PS. never said anything about any "grandpas" and neither did my country give up we were there from start to finish, you were there halfway to finish.
Submitted by MAJORzer0 on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 5:08am
You seem upset. I belive you are correct that we should have joined sooner but the facts remain that we joined when we did and for the same reasons. I have no real problem with the french. They did their part like every one else and it was due to Alliance forces (not just american) that the war was won. There was no statment in my comment saying, ' We won the war for you' or 'We joined the war before you.' I did say that we would be under a dictatorship and life would be one depressing day after anouther. Your statement about being one of the first is not true. If you count the countries involved in the war before the French they would be some where near the 8th. No matter the conditions of their involvment, weather forced into the war or instigating it, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Japan, China, Italy, and Albania were all in the war before the French. Take a breather and sit down for a bit I know you are upset about all this but there's no point in complaining what did and didn't happen we should reflect and try not to make the same mistakes.
If you've ever been in a war then you would know that there's no real glory to it. Saying that there's a fat kid out there trying to gain glory over an old conflict no matter the size is an interesting concept. Trying to push a sad eye at the fact that we didn't join up fast enough is really just crying over spoiled milk. We did join and we did help win it. Saying anything else is really just pointless.
In no way do I support the treatment of jewish people by Hitlers 'grand scheme' or the ideas of the axis alliance but oppression really brings out the best in people......
~No one said it would be easy....they just said it was worth it...~
Submitted by DePat on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 10:37am
Well I guess the french government wrote the history book you read!
DePat
Submitted by gatorXXX on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 4:20pm
surrendered to stop more casualties? Nope, they surrendered cause their intelligence said the germans and italians were coming from the north so the French massed on the northern border. But in fact, the germans came in from the east and italians stayed to the north, outflanking most, if not all, of the french army cutting off all supply lines. Basically giving them a Ham Sandwich right up the rear. Mustard only please!
So much you learn on the History channel! But lost war? If it were, we all would be speaking German!
Submitted by MAJORzer0 on Mon, 03/23/2009 - 4:55am
No I'm sure some of us would be speaking Japanese or Russian. It all depends on how many of use would be here. Hitler was not far behind us on making the bomb.
~No one said it would be easy....they just said it was worth it...~
Submitted by Evilmale on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:48pm
no offense to the french of course bu true dat lol
Submitted by Cache on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:53pm
Yeah, but truthfully, what do they do in the case of roommantes? Or a husband and wife? Children? How do they go so far as to identify a specific individual without causing undue burdens on another person? Also, I love the term 'scaling back DRM'. Not removing it, not giving people real freedom, just a bland promise that maybe they will do something to benefit consumers.
Unless...
Submitted by Devo85x on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:34pm
Unless they have a way to make sure what you are downloading is illegal then this is bullshit... what if someone wants to download a song from an unsigned artist that puts his/her songs out for free anyways? how could they tell the difference and keep from punishing people that are doing nothing wrong? its crap
Won't the people who provide
Submitted by Danduhman on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:31pm
Won't the people who provide internet be pissed off if they lose up to a year of payment? Or would yous till have to pay for something your not getting?
Not to bad
Submitted by LordPyro on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:21pm
Sorry, I did not read to closely but as long as they only target those downloading copyrighted material, I don't see anything at all wrong with this.
Quite honestly, I don't even have a bit torrent client.
Submitted by DePat on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 10:18am
Yeah!! Until they catch you!!
DePat
Submitted by pellier on Sun, 03/15/2009 - 1:00pm
I totally agree to the security of the home network part.
Submitted by DePat on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 10:21am
Let me see if I understand. You will agree with a law that says you are responsible for the security of your car. If somebody steal your car and commit an offense using that car you will be prosecuted for the crime because the car belongs to you!!
Well get ready they are coming for you!
"its amazing how common sense is uncommon!"
DePat
Submitted by MAJORzer0 on Mon, 03/23/2009 - 5:07am
The implications behind this are a bit streatched. I would wonder if they really thought this threw or if they are still counting the money. To be honest I think it's just anouther political thing that they will not enforce but only use as a means to an end.
Imagine having to DL a patch for your computer that's government supplied and filtered the content of the internet. How could they seriously enforce any of this?
~No one said it would be easy....they just said it was worth it...~
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