Fragementation? On Android!? That's News to Google's Eric Schmidt



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Schmidt is funny, or more likely, simply and willingly not looking out for his "customers."

One of the benefits of an iPhone is that when you get your Verizon phone, it doesn't come with all of the junk that Verizon adds to your Android phone (who really wants a blockbuster, Lets Golf 2, or any of the V Cast applications?), especially since you can't uninstall them...

And if you really wanted those applications, go to the market and install them - instead they are forced on you, with no hope of removing them unless you are willing to root your phone and install a new ROM/kernel.

As I understand it, at least with a Windows phone, you can uninstall the carrier supplied applications.

Since each manufacturer and carrier is allowed to "differentiate" its version of Android, no one has the clout to insist on a clean implementation of the OS or the applications - in the real world, that is known as FRAGMENTATION!

To paraphrase an old saying: a skunk by any other name would smell just as bad!




"with no hope of removing them unless you are willing to root your phone and install a new ROM/kernel"


That right there shows you have no idea what you're talking about.


Titanium Backup can remove them. However if you don't wish to remove them(as to stay on the upgrade path since Verizon LOOOOOOVES bloatware) you can simply freeze them. They no longer show up in your app drawer and can no longer be loaded until you unfreeze them.


Hell you can remove them with root explorer if you're feeling froggy.


Stop spreading false knowledge.



By your definition, you would be saying that PC/Windows is fragmented.

Also, while some phones do come preinstalled with carrier customizations and apps, not all of them do. And I've yet to see an Android phone where you couldn't uninstall any 3rd party apps besides apps specific to the OS, like Samsung's Touch Whiz for example. But these are the hardware manufacturer's customizations that set their Android devices apart from other Android devices. And from my experience, Touch Whiz, as an example, adds some fantastic features to their phones.

The point is, Android apps compatible with Android 4.0 for example, are compatible with all phones running Android 4.0 no matter what manufacturer customizations might be present. Same with 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, etc. And in the majority of Android apps, they work across multiple Android versions. The only thing you could possibly call "fragmentation" is the fact that different devices may have different hardware capabilities or running different versions of Android. But how is this any different at all from the iPhone(1stGen)/iOS3.1, iPhone3G/iOS4.2, iPhone3GS/iOS5, iPhone4/iOS5, iPhone4S/iOS5(+Siri)? Not to mention iPhone users who are inbetween updates, they could be on ANY version of iOS. If anybody says Android is fragmented then by the exact same logic the iPhone is fragmented too, except that they just have fewer models.

How about BlackBerry? God only knows what different OS versions they have running on all of their different phones. The only smartphone OS that I think can truly claim zero fragmentation at this point in time would be Windows Phone 7, since as far as I know every single Windows Phone 7 hardware is compatible with the latest 7.5 (Mango) update, and they've had OTA updates since day 1 so 99% of users are probably running the latest version available. But  even they still suffer from different hardware capabilities.

So in conclusion, every smart phone platform suffers from this poorly named "fragmentation" issue. And the extra layer of perceived "fragmentation" in Android (different OS customizations and hardware form factors) are actually what make Android so popular, and the reason why Apple will never be able to compete with them.



I'm inclined to agree with Mr Schmidt, ie if most apps run on most devices what practical difference does it make which version of the Android OS they are running?  Somehow the idea has become entrenched that users must have the latest OS and if the carrier doesn't make the update available users feel cheated...why?  My phone came with Froyo and did everything I needed it to do using either the original software or by adding 3rd party apps from the Market.  The phone was eventually updated to Gingerbread and I noticed not the slightest benefit - no difference at all.  It doesn't look like ICS will be made available for my handset, but since it would not make any practical difference I don't care.  Some people have real issues with their phones - in other words bugs - and they need to be updated to fix those problems, but otherwise why care?



If you call every phone running an Android OS with Brand companys modifying it a little bit to suit their needs fragmentation, then yes, but to me, they all still run Android OS, they all feel the same, run the same, look the same.




But they do not all get the newest OS or update and if or when they do in a timely manner. All Apple devices get every update. All Windows 7.5 devices get updated. At the same time, in the same manner. Doesn't matter which carrier or product. Android devices depend on the device, the manufacturer, the carrier, maybe you get it, maybe you don't, maybe today for someone and not months or a year later for someone else. And there are far far far too many Android devices flooding the market. The majority of consumers particularily those who are less tech savvy don't want to deal with that. Fragmented.




Yes, all windows phone 7 phones got updated to 7.5.  What is tougher for the average user, not getting the latest update with is always overblown and less important than everyone makes it out to be, or a phone so over locked down that you can't transfer a pdf file when your phone is connected.


Android fragmentation is so overblown.  The average android user freaks out if they don't get the latest update the second it comes out, but when they get it they go "meh" because in reality they rarely change much.



I agree totally, and not everyone is comfortable rooting their phone so there is fragmentation within the android circle.

This statement kind of baffles me: "The goal now, says Schmidt, is to get everyone on Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich."


That's impossible...I've got a galaxy s and samsung has already said they won't update to ice cream sandwich because the phone can't handle it (touchwiz). I'm sure it's not the only device that won't receive ice cream sandwich. Is he suggesting we all just buy a pure google phone then?



Actually, I've got a Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant and I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich on it right now.  The phone came with Eclair and was updated to Froyo eventually. I rooted and installed Gingerbread and recently ICS. It is possible.  Just because they say it isn't possible doesn't mean it's the truth.  They'd rather you buy a new device that's all.  Where there's a will, there's a way. Lol.



No, he wants you to keep buying NEW phones each time they come out with an OS update. :)

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