Forget The GTX 690: The Cloud-Based "GeForce Experience" Could Mean More For PC Gaming

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bling581

For the 20% that don't change their settings this probably will be an amazing utility. However I will remain adjusting my settings how I see fit. I rarely go into the settings and set everything to max because frankly there are some things that just don't really matter that much but may affect performance speeds. For example, things like shadows really depend on the game. In Skyrim when you have changing daylight hours with night and day then shadows become pretty important. On BF3 I could care less about shadows.

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compmix

The article clearly states that 80% do not change their settings. You are in the 20%. So am I.

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slibinz

I guess I'm not getting something. Every game I've played in the last half decade (at least, probably longer) has had the ability to scan the hardware on my computer and adjust the graphics settings accordingly. Why would we need cloud based computers to do this?

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joeking

Part of the fun of PC gaming is tweaking settings yourself, finding that mix between image quality vs. performance. I don't need some supercomputer to do this for me, no thanks.

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dgrmouse

Let me get this straight... NVidia wants folks to ping them with system information - including a list of running processes - every time they launch a game??? Screw that. They already push driver updates and game profiles with pretty much every game launch, isn't that enough? This is ridiculous, and I can absolutely positively state with certainty that if the back-end is indeed run by supercomputers, their duty is not to simply spit out recommended graphics settings, but rather to mine data. Doh. Very pathetic, and folks should be smart enough to realize this.

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tugboat_2

What will be really interesting will be how unbiased this gimmick will treat án AMD based system.

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B.A.Frayd

I wouldn't even expect it to work with AMD systems...

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USraging

Sounds like a good plan, cant tell you how many times i have had a argument with a friend on how much better graphics are on pc. For myself i don't see any use in the application. But for someone that just wants to play games on the pc platform this may be something to shift the movement back to pc from console. the only other factor is how cheap a console is to a med range gaming rig. Sometimes i feel like the consoles are holding hardware development back. this is because a lot of games are ported to pc, which doesnt make since in my mind since they were created on a pc in the first place. Consoles can only push so much graphics before they top out. where is the next crysis to push the hardware into submission and drive demand of faster hardware to run it?

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JohnP

You guys are all SPOILED! I started PC gaming back in the day when men were men and computers were a bitch. The earliest PC games were such a hassle to get the sound to play and the video to run. It literally was a matter of setting the IRQs by hand for every game. Try a setting, nope no sound or no graphics. Reboot and try another. It could take a couple of hours to get it to work and without the internet, updates and advice were non existent except for magazines (and eventually this CDs they would pack into the mag). Some games would never work and you were out the money.
To have all this done automatically would be the most amazing thing I have ever heard in PC gaming history.

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TheMiddleman

Daddy said a swear word.

OoOOooOOOoOOOooooOOoOOOOoOOooo!!!!

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germanogre

Did you also have to walk five miles each way to school, through ten feet of snow? (sorry, reminded me of my grandfather's 'quit yer winin'' stories)

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kixofmyg0t

For a guy who spends more on computer parts in a month than most of us spend on house mortgages and feels compelled to brag about whatever new nVidia or Intel part you just bought is SO MUCH FASTER than any AMD part and has to make do with "just" 5TB of storage.......to call everyone else spoiled is just silly.

Just how closely related to Mit Romney are you? Jeez.

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vrmlbasic

What's wrong with being rich?

ROFL, if there is any relation to Mitt Romney, if (when) he makes it into office, can you get me an autograph? ;)

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Penterax

Jealous much?

Jealousy is the only reason I can give for such an outrageous, devoid of sense attack on John.

Look, my income this year will be a little over $14k. I am far from rich, as you can see. One major reason I can buy better parts for my computer is that I don't have a car to pay for (don't need one), if I did, my computer would be much less impressive.

I also build for long-term; if I were to buy a GTX 680 or 690, I'd hope to get at least 3 years of service out of it, on my main computer, and be able to pass it down to a secondary system. I build my rigs to be able to handle what comes for 5 years. Do I spend more money on parts than the average person? Sure, but in the long run it's not nearly as much as it might look like when I'm doing a new build (or just buying a single extreme part).

Most people these days spend far more on sodas they buy at a convenience store and fast food than they realize; seriously, add up these things sometime and see how much you spend, it might shock you. Most people could pay cash for a GTX 680 or 690, if they stopped spending so much money on these things every day and put the money in the bank for a year. (Let's not even get into $4 cups of coffee. I'm not saying Starbucks is overcharging, not at all, they really produce a premium product and superb service, but if you buy that kind of thing as more than an occasional treat you have absolutely no business at all scorning someone's graphics card purchase.)

Seriously; I didn't even buy my sodas at convenience store prices and I still figured out I could save around $500 a year just by drinking a Coke on occasion instead of several a day. Back when I was buying beer at a 6-pack a day - the good stuff, no Bush for me (for friends as well as myself), you can just imagine how much money I was spending a month. Smoking cigarettes? Ouch. Glad I never had that habit.

That old line "A penny save is a penny earned" will have a lot of meaning for you if you put 10% of your income in the bank instead of spending it. You may not think you can afford to - but you really can if you just make it a priority. It's hard in our society (America and the West), harder than ever, but having done it the other way most of my life, I'm here to tell you less can be more. Choose very carefully what you spend your money on, especially if there's not much coming in. Decide for yourself which you'd rather have, a better visual experience when you are gaming, or a Coke. Once I thought about it, it was a very easy choice for me.

;)

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JohnP

A heartfelt post. I too had low incomes for a long time in my life until I worked my way back through school and landed a great job with HP. I know exactly how it is living on very little (spent 2 years bicycling and backpacking New Zealand and some of the Pacific Islands with a budget under $1,500- What is is the difference between a bicycle tourer and a bum? Not much!). No car, sharing an apartment, paying off student loans, avoiding going out to eat at all. Been there.
And I did exactly what you suggested, I banked 20% of each of my paychecks at HP for the entire 25 years I was there. I was able to retire early because of that huge lump, getting a nice severance package when I was finally laid off, and lucky timing in the stock market.
And I have been broke too, dead broke, less than $200 to my name broke. I get through it, I worked to better myself, and I now can afford the thing I want to afford.
My neighbor has a big boat that just sits next to his garage. He spent more for that unused boat than I have EVER spent on all of my computers!

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kixofmyg0t

Yes that's it. I'm jealous. TOTALLY jealous of his bragging in almost every post. Yep, I'm not tired of hearing it at all. Nope you are exactly right. Must be jealous. Mmhmmm.

Yes I'm sure if I stopped spending money for my children(which are more important than buying the latest gizmo) and stopped paying bills and sold my car I could afford to buy new computer hardware to brag about every chance I get on MaximumPC.com

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JohnP

Cripes, I am doing a ONCE IN A LIFETIME UPGRADE. My spending on computer gear is normally quite pedestrian. I am not bragging about being rich (which I am, and handsome too!) as much as totally giddy with excitement. One poster called it "New Gear Day" euphoria. I have built probably 25 new mobo builds over the years but I still get the willies. My kids are mildly thrilled but me, I am waiting by the door for UPS to arrive, oohing over my booty as much as a caveman drooled over a killed deer.

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vrmlbasic

Don't hold yourself back on our account lol. Keep upgrading. I'm pretty far back from the current "cutting edge" of technology and it sucks. Don't join me back here ;) Besides, someone has to keep up demand for the latest-and-greatest so the "2nd best" becomes cheaper for the parsimonious purchasers like me.

Though if this is going to be a once-in-a-lifetime upgrade, perhaps you should pick up an SSD RAID array with the largest capacity, fastest, most modern drives you can get your hands on. A lifetime spent with only mechanical storage would be a lifetime squandered IMO. Besides, I see so many awe-inspiring benchmarks of SSD RAID arrays, and I'm sure you have as well.

On that, a lifetime spent with only 5 TB? I'm running dangerously close to capacity with my 4, but then most all of it is downloaded/ripped video...

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JohnP

thank you Vrml. Made me laugh! Lets see, 5TB in my machine, 2TB each in my sons, 3TB in my HTPC, 10 TB in five media players (relatives) and 5TB in the shed as cloned backups. Add 1 divide by 7 and I get TWENTY SEVEN TB worth of hard drives! Is THAT enough? Oh,I forgot, I have a 1TB drive sitting on the table next to me. 28TB.
I own and have tried both 60GB and a 120GB Vertex SSDs. As I have said in many other posts, the only NOTICEABLE difference for me was in faster boot ups and I REALLY hated having to always worry where a program would install to(and yet another drive to backup clone). If I cannot NOTICE a difference, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE BENCHMARKS ARE! When I saw how fast Win8 booted WITHOUT an SSD, that settled the whole question and I gave my son the two SSD drives. Mind you, the latest ASUS Z77 mobo has that intriguing hybrid thing out there so I am going to grab one of those drives back from my son and give it a whirl.

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vrmlbasic

I'm still bemystified as to how you didn't see any difference in real world use.

Even uncompressing large files works much faster on my SSD than on my mechanical drives. When un-raring large video files on my external hard drive gave the same performance with an ancient dual-core proc and my more "modern" quad-core proc, I became suspicious and decided to uncompress on my SSD and then move the extracted files to my HDD.

A huge difference, I went from well under 100 MB/sec extraction to over 120.

Now, I'll acknowledge that my external HDD aren't the fastest mechanical drives on the planet, but even if they were Raptors or some other high-speed mechanical drive I still don't think they could equal the speed I get on the SSD.

Good luck getting the SSD back. I know that if it were me, you'd have to pry it from my cold, dead hands. ;)

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JohnP

Vrml, surprised me too. I figured that SSD would rule the roost. What I got was halving my boot speed (good), but no difference in starting up a program as far as I could tell (bad). Moving files around was invariably from an SSD to a mechanical drive (No difference). As far as uncompressing stuff, I rarely do that. Same with inter SSD file moves, just isn't noticeable. Downloading stuff off the web is no different. Bottom line, what does all that extra speed with an SSD supposed to DO if starting a program does not change much?
I have TWO SSDs! 60GB and 128GB. 60GB is just right for the Z77 SSD/hard drive duo. I will see if I notice any difference. If not, bye-bye SSD AGAIN.

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vrmlbasic

I know I've only rarely used the speediest of mechanical drives (My PCs and the PCs I've worked on/with use generic drives, the cheapest they can get) so perhaps the speed difference is greater for me than it is for you as I assume that you are running HDD that are faster than the generic "whatever drive the OEM threw in".

Say, are your SSDs "cutting edge"? I can't imagine you running an older SATA III or even a SATA II drive but I figured I'd ask.

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kixofmyg0t

Hmmm, more bragging.

You forgot to tell us how much faster ur Intel and nVidia parts are compared to anything AMD.

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tugboat_2

I'm sorry but I don't see where this gent is bragging at all. I do see an enthusiast looking things over and talking about what e he is doing, how he is/was/would go about it, and when appropriate, why.

Heck, contrary to the current trend, most of the time he gives good reasons for his choices. Not just " oh that's all f$#@%* up it will never work" or "that's a stupid way of doing things". Most of you clowns make half baked un-substantiated statements just to here yourselves talk.

If you don't want to here people talk about their rigs or gear or what they would like to do then go some where else to cry.

Hell, I'm retired and back in Aug of 2009 I decided to do my dream build (notice I said mine not yours or someone else's) I discussed nearly every aspect of it on MPC's forums and put up with a bevey of clowns just like you to get good input from other enthusiasts.

As far as that evil empire Microsoft goes and their ñefarious activities promoting progress in computing, you obviously have not been arround long enough to have witnessed the age when EVERYBODY and their brother was hawking some operating system or machine. Hell singer sewing machines even tried their hand at it.

Lets see, just to name a few, Zenith, Commadore, Atari, Apple, IBM, Linux and their kin, and lets not forget Radio Shack then Tandy. These were just some of the systems and operating systems. Nevermind periferals. IRQ settings and resource allocations was truely a mysterious and arcane art.

Thank heavens for that crowd that eventually founded and built up Intel and Microsoft. You have no idea how good it is now. I'm not saying that all their decisions are right or that they are not out to make a buck. But if they weren't and hadn't had a vision where would we be now.

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vrmlbasic

This has all been done automatically for years and years now. When was the last time you had to fiddle with IRQs to get each individual game to work?

Surely you're not going to equate adjusting screen resolution and checking a few boxes in an "options" menu to the drudgery of early PC gaming? But that is all that this NVidia thing does, when we get right down to it.

The praise that you're poised to lavish NVidia with should have been dispensed years ago to the OS & game developers years ago, along with some just praise to the hardware engineers. I think you know this, I mean, this post of yours alone virtually implies that you do. So then, why?

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JohnP

No more IRQs, thank God! I don't have a particular problem with getting games tweaked, but I am constantly changing my sons settings as they usually leave it on default or just change the resolution. Like Brad said, it's not for us that this is meant for, but for the normal users.
As for just having to push a few buttons to tweak these days, have you tried to dial in the best Skyrim setting? I would certainly have appreciated the help there as that took a long time to read up and tweak the settings.
I am always thankful when a game just runs and realize that a LOT of hard work went into getting it that way. I also love the way Steam helps out to make it easier to load, run, and update and buy most of my games from them. If NVidia can do what they are promising here, I will not have to heap praise on them, as others will gladly do so.
This is exciting stuff for gamers, don't let your ill will for any video card manufacturer let you miss the possibilities.

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vrmlbasic

I don't think I'm letting my disdain for NVidia cloud my judgment. My problems with NVidia aren't that major, just a few cards that died on my through no fault of my own (I didn't OC them). It's nothing like the contempt I hold Intel in for releasing Atom on the world.

To answer your question: No, I have not played Skyrim on the PC, so I don't know how difficult it is to properly calibrate. I'll take your word for it.

I have played many other PC games over the years, however, and their settings haven't been arcane and mind-boggling to optimize. I have played Deus Ex: Human Revolution, for example, and I don't think any software program that would optimize the few graphics settings offered in that game would be worth much of anything.

Optimizing Skyrim, and the few (IME) other games that might have similarly tricky settings to set properly, would be interesting but I don't see it worthy of the hype that it is getting. In response to the potential data mining and less-savory motives for NVidia with this service, I'd like to say that I'd rather see Steam integrate this service itself. To play most modern games legally I have to have it running anyhow, it might as well do something for me.

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vrmlbasic

Your sons have, if I remember your posts correctly, cutting edge rigs and screens with over 4 million pixels @ 2650*1600, and they're not maxing out their settings?! That's a crime, and I'm glad you're correcting it. NVidia shouldn't have to (or anyone for that matter, but I forget that not everyone on a PC is a power user at minimum).

Another reason a vendor-independent service should, IMHO, provide this optimization is that if AMD ever becomes the performance king again, this NVidia program stands a good chance of being nerfed.

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JohnP

Thanks, Brad, for the nice post! I was frustrated that the GForce Experience was getting buried under the GTX690 announcement. Good writeup too!
As for privacy, Steam does some of this already and I have no privacy concerns with Steam. The information gathered by NVidia should be pretty generic.
As for the IDEA, its terrific! We will see how it works out...

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loozer

Cool idea of it works. Tweaking for maximum detail is fun, but sometimes I just want to play.

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B.A.Frayd

Could be useful for stupid people. The again, if 80% of PC gamers don't tweak before they play, then they probably don't care anyway.

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Penterax

I believe that if most of these people HAD a better experience, they'd understand what they are missing.

A large part of it, I think, is the time factor; we live in such a time-crunch age. Most people don't tinker because they want to get on with it, and even don't notice because they are so in-their-head about everything else that's going on with them. Having a "click on it" solution will have them tuning their systems and make them more likely to notice since they are already thinking about it when they click.

I seriously doubt AMD is going to let this be an Nvidia-only thing, and will develop their own solution (I'd almost bet cash money they've already been working on it).

;)

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gruvsf

yawn. For a grand, I would expect that the damn thing came with its own water cooler and a back massage, or I'd rather build an entire gaming rig with some Radeon cards with some money left over to, you know buy actual games and play it.

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Marthian

Oh Waaaaaaah. A thousand dollars for a dual GPU.

Hey, guess what? If you had read more about the GTX 690, you'd find that it's just as good as 2 GTX 680s, which are both $500 each. Problem?

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Carlidan

"Expect to see a beta on June 6th, and expect to hear data-mining privacy concerns soon thereafter."

I surprised that no one has even comment on this tidbit. I guess when it comes to gaming who cares.

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Ryan5609

That 80% statistic sounds a bit high to me. I guess some people play at stock settings, but they are probably people that just don't care or have low end systems. The in game settings always optimize my machine way to low. The display settings menu is always stop #1 when I get a new game. I want to know if I can play it the way it was meant to be played (Nvidiaaaaaaaa).

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Mortal_M

same here, the first thing I do is go to the video settings menu and it usually is on low or medium with a low resolution when my PC can easily do ultra settings.

I'm also a little skeptical of this, looks similar to what ID did with RAGE... I'll decide what my rig can and can't do thank you very much!
:)

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Slurpy

That was my first thought when I read the headline, as well: "You mean like ID did with RAGE? No, thank you!"

But the difference here is that it's OPTIONAL. . . something that Carmack didn't understand, but luckily Nvidia seems to do.

What I would REALLY like to see is a hybrid of our traditional manual settings and . . . Tell the software that I want 1920x1080 resolution, 45 FPS, and highest quality reflections because my character is narcisstic, and then let the software tweak everything else to give me that. There's nothing wrong with having another tool in the toolbox, even if you never intend to use it, or it doesn't work quite right. . . but when that tool is FORCED upon you, like a certain not-so-open-world game that still doesn't work for MANY players, then that's a problem.

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HeartBurnKid

I love this idea. This is fantastic.

I was going to get an ATI-based card for my gaming HTPC project due to their running cooler, but I may just have to take a second look at nVidia.

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Pyroskull

This could be very good for PC gaming. Let me start off by saying that I hate Apple. Now that I've made that statement, the one thing that I admire Apple for is that they have pulled in a vast number of users to their products by making the interfaces simple and easy to understand even for someone who has never held any electronic device in their hands before.

If this project is successful, it could draw more users away from the consoles and create a bigger PC audience, thus drawing more attention from developers and (fingers crossed) more PC exclusives.

The PC scene isn't dieing by any means but makeing it simpler (as long as they keep the ability to customize everything that an advanced die hard user wishes to) will continue to draw more and more people and money.

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Morete

Nvidia's control panel program settings games-list fail to include games that non-mainstream gamers play. Drivers for GPU memory and rendering are horribly optimized for PTW or PC exclusive MMO games. Nvidia will claim non-cooperation from devs/pubs, but it's nothing more than Nvidia thumbing their nose at anything that doesn't make the top 100 list of Game Spot and Electric Playground. Concerning graphics and physics; most of those top 100 games are nothing more than lame console ports anyway. It really shows where Nvidia's priorities are. I haven't used Catalyst yet but I wouldn't doubt that it's the same list on AMD's control panel. Nevertheless, I highly doubt that this cloud proggy will be any earthly good for PC exclusives.

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chronium

I see this more of a data collection scheme then a legitimate benefit for pc gamers.

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Yuri_395

Geforce experience was announced first

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jason2393

Don't most games already have a feature like this, something along the lines of "Use recommended settings"? For me, I usually just take a minute to make sure everything is maxed out in the settings, so I don't see the advantage of this.

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andrewc513

Yea, but it's wonky and generalized at best for many systems. I think what this new thing would be is more like a performance-determining algorithm on steroids that basically says "Ok, we must do this this this and this to make this game look as good and balanced as possible while maintaining at consistent framerate."

Of course people with more tech knowledge will further fine-tweak this, or just do it all manually. This is probably more geared toward less technically-inclined PC gamers who have no clue what anisotropic filtering, antialiasing, DX11, HDR, bloom, etc is. It takes the manual setup and guesswork out of the equation while giving the gamer the best possible experience.

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