Fermi Cards to Turn Up the Heat

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DBsantos77

 2-22-2010:

Not sure why MaxPC hasn't jumped on this story, but here's a source showing the XFX GTX 480 GPU at $679.99

http://www.techpowerup.com/115816/GeForce_GTX_480_Gets_Listed.html

-Santos

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jihnn

man these are the cards to get ??????

or possibly i should just go out and buy a toaster to put inside my case.... i do not think so... there comes a point that the heat a card gives off makes is a no sell..... 

not one of you actually know how fast they will be  just speculation and the hopes of the fanboys.....

i'm using an evga ftw 260 core 216 now ..... i also have owned several ati cards....vid card fanboy i am not

 

if the nvidia cards run hot i won't even consider them  ati makes a very good product and they are wicked fast..who needs to add a heat problem  its a no brainer

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Morete

Shame on you. You call yourself an overclocking expert, a RAM-ratio wizard, a breaker of data bottlenecks, and yet your poor GPU still languishes in hellfire because you use only stock cooling equipment. Don't hang your head just yet; there's still time to repent of your cruel ways and give your hard-working graphics card the coolness it deserves.

Look ma' no fans! 

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9628/1854coolings.png

Watch your fingers, this liquid nitrogen GPU cooler can make your freezer look downright warm. 

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Vano

Are they gonna be sold in kitchen appliances section?

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highsidednb

Looking at all the comments complaining about heat levels it makes me wonder people deliberately don't read articles on how to properly cool your PC case.  Case cooling is probably some of the cheapest and smartest upgrades you can make.  If you don't know how to properly channel heat out of your case what are you doing buying top of the line video cards.  I'm serious.  If you can afford a $350 vc you can afford some $15 case fans, or a $30 CPU cooler, or a case with good flow for $75...

 Second, the Fermi cards should be out by March.  Six months later there will be some hardware upgrades.  Those will be the cards to get.  By then, once again, the first gen DX11 ATI cards will be old and slow... 

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DBsantos77

 I actually have a 120 MM side vent fan pointing IN, bringing cool air IN to the case, directly on top of the 5850, and it still idles at 40 C, mainly because the cooler is closed and has practically no slots for air to come in on. Sure proper case cooling does help, but cooler GPU temps are certainly not solely dependant on Case cooling. You gotta think about Die size, the length of the cooler, the amount of voltage the card is getting at anytime, hell, think about SLI. 

As far as the DX11 Ati cards getting old and slow, I don't see that happening, considering I can play Dirt2 at 1920 x 1080 4x AA 16x af at about 75 FPS on my 24' monitor. :)

-Santos

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Vano

And what about areas where room temperature is around 80-85F? My GF8800GTX almost glows in the dark from the amount of heat it produces, and 10 fans making so much noise that feels like in a machine shop.

If Fermi going to be as hot as 8800 or even hotter, screw it, nvidia can stick it!

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_Jono_

...if you can't afford air conditioning than this isn't the market for you.

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Vano

Dude, when outside is 135, you'd be happy to have 85 in the house!

 

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Caboose

 You could have THE best cooling solution concieved by man, but if a component is generating excessive heat, then no amount of channeled cooling, airflow or high yeild fans will help! If the component gets to a temperature equal or greater than that required to cook food, there's a problem, and air cooling won't be enough. You'd have to liquid cool, or... that other kind... I forget what it's called...

 

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Biceps

Is what you are referring to... not sure if the 'i' comes before the 'e'.  I agree, Caboose.  It doesn't matter what kind of cooling solution you have - at best you are just turning a case heater into a space heater.  You might save on heating bills, but the life of your hardware isn't likely to be very long if it is running at steak-searing temps.

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bikerbub

 it's like having an air conditioner for your CPU, i guess it could work with a GPU too.

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Caboose

 I'd like to try something like that on my CPU. But for now my case (CoolerMaster Cosmos 1000) has 4 120mm case fans, all set up to pull in cool air from the front and the bottom and direct it out towards the back/top. My CPU is being cooled by a Zalman CNPS9500 (AMD Phenom II x4 940 BE). With that CPU, 6 HDD's and 2 HD 3870's in Crossfire (along with an 8x Blu-Ray burner, and an Asus Xonar DX), my system generates a lot of heat. Unless it's -20C outside and I have the patio door open, my CPU idles at around 45-50C, my GPU's idle around 55C (after taking them apart, cleaning them, and appling some AS5 to both GPU's). With the hardware in my case, unless I were to pipe in arctic air in to it, no amount of air cooling will help. My apt. gets really very toasty after a couple hour session of L4D2, C&C3, Red Alert 3, Crysis, Ghostbusters, or Star Trek Online (Closed and Open beta access! Giggidy!).

I can only imagine the temps once I upgrade to a couple of 58xx cards! Mmmmmm

 

 

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jonnygotguns

u'd be suprised my man there a hell of a lot cooler in my opinon my 3850 system ran at about 65C under load with my HD5850 i run about 50C under load it all depends on how high u run the fan too >.> i run mine at 70% because sound isn't an issue with me

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Caboose

I'd like to introduce you to two individuals called Grammar and Spelling. It seems that you've never met them before. I think you should take some time and get to know these two as they can be a big help in your travels around the internet and in life in general.

That aside, a GPU running at 65C under load isn't bad at all. And out of curiosity, how are you manually controlling the fans? Are you using RiviaTuner?

 

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DBsantos77

 Lmao at the 2friends comment.

-Santos

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Biceps

I just got off of the phone with NVidia, and they cleared up the entire situation for me.  They are totally altering their business model and have decided it is time for them to take over the space-heater business.  That's right, folks!!! From now on, EVERY SINGLE NVidia card will be a 2-in-1 discrete graphic card AND a space heater!  Expect to see deep discounts in those hot summer months.

Who needs a sweater?  I've got my new graphics card!

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nekollx

 i have been looking for a new Oven, how many Fermies would i need to bake a 11lbs turkey?

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gendoikari1

One GTX 390. 

Lost hopes:

Warcraft IV

Timesplitters 4

Star Wars: Battlefront III

Mercenaries 3 (but with LucasArts) 

 

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xeones

it's irritating...  been waiting for fermi but this doesn't sound good.  I would just get an ATI card, they seem to be miles ahead right now; however, i am addicted to the 3d vision thing now.  After a year of playing games in 3d, i just can't go back to playing with no depth, it looks so flat and lifeless, like looking at a picture.

 As far as I know ATI's 3d solution is "use IZ3d" which would require me to buy a new monitor, plus i've heard IZ3d doesn't support as many games as 3d vision. 

It's just irritating, i was hoping fermi would put nvidia back on top, but now i really doubt it.  Oh it may be a little faster, but if it's hot like a nucleor reactor or if they charge $600 bucks for it like their old practices they won't sell many.  The market has changed, we won't pay as much for a video card as we would have 2 years ago.

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jonnygotguns

 i nvr could get into that 3d stuff is really that good?

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nekollx

 "ATI is not the video card you are looking for."

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mothrpe

Anyone else think DX11 is another hype machine that won't see widespread adoption ala dx10

 

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DBsantos77

 Doubt it, DX 10 was MAJOR hype, the quality improvement was not all that noticable. With DX11, the improvements are obvious, and great imo. I personally can't wait, Dirt 2 has been keeping my eye candy level high.

-Santos

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LatiosXT

DX11's visual improvements are a little better than DX10 was from DX9, but it's not a significant jump like DX9 was from DX8. Sure, while tesselation is a great thing that improves visual quality without adding too much  strain on the GPU, it's basically skipping a few years down the road when we can have graphics cards capable of pushing those raw polygons anyway, which is to be expected.

 Otherwise things in DiRT2 (which I feel is a horrible game to show off DX11 because the improvements are misplaced) could be done in DX10 or DX9.

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nekollx

 Sort of like their parent OSes

 

XP = dx9

Vista = Dx10

Seven = Dx11

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mothrpe

I don't see the point in purchasing a 5770 when I can get a 4890 with superior perfomance for the same price.  Where's the improvement if it's only edge is dx11 support while having inferior processing power to similarly priced alternatives.

I say give us a GPU that improves dx9-11 and exceeds similar priced cards and then we'll have the next generation of video cards. 

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jonnygotguns

i agree man i mean i bought a 5850 because i wanted serious power but yeh if i had less money i would have gone with the 4890 instead of the 5770 just cause u don't need DX11 i play dirt2 on dx11 and it looks the same as when i played it on dx9 on xp before i bought windows 7

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Biceps

right on the head.

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Neufeldt2002

To quote Fudzilla "You can only imagine how hot the dual-GPU card will get, and yet
Nvidia still plans to make it." This scares me, and it also says nvidia really has no other choice but to make it if they want to keep playing at the high end.

 

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MeTo

Sounds like they are selling some just to pocket some change. Soon we could be reading the headlines Nvidia Fermi has massive meltdowns Nvidia to pay $200 million for repair parts. Seems they would have learn t there lesson.

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nekollx

 they did, but it was a Best Buy lesson, "milk them for inferior parts, and try not to get caught"

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Biceps

I have been taking a 'wait and see' approach thus far in regards to NVidia and Fermi, but I have to agree... this does not look good at all.  Sounds like whatever they came up with is just an overclocked version of the previous generation on a larger die? I am very interested to see the Fermi numbers when they come out.  Wonder if we will see a youtube vid of someone cooking an egg on a Fermi.... that would be nostalgic.

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Caboose

 Does a similar video exist?

 

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Biceps

The Pentium 4 chip ran so hot that people were putting pics and videos online of them cooking eggs on top of the processors.  It was the P4, right?

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Caboose

 P4's ran stupid hot I found!

 

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Edwincnelson

You could easily fry and egg on the 285 so I hope for Nvidia's sake the Fermi chip isn't that much hotter. Personally this looks worse and worse the more information comes out.

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Neufeldt2002

Personnally I wish that they would spend some time on making these things run cooler. I already fried a gtx 260 core 216 because of heat issues. If they truely are hotter than the 200 line it cements my thoughts on going with ATI. Unless the peformance is mind blowing or better that is, not a pitance like 20%.

 

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BoxyBrown

Traditionally the Nvidia line of GFX cards run cooler than their ATI counterparts. If you had heat issues with a 260 it was either defective or there was operator error.

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Caboose

 You sure? I've found nVidia cards to run hotter and suck more power than ATI cards.

 

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Jeffredo

Nvidia cards for the most part have run cooler than their ATI counterparts.  I have a GTX 260 (216) and it (in an  Antec 300 case) always stays in a fairly cool, safe operating range.  Its never topped 70C at load even in the summer.  The person with the issue of "frying one" must have had a defective one or some environmental heat issues (room too hot, case too small/poorly ventilated/dusty).

I have an 8800 GTX as well. It runs quite warm (usually 80C + at load), but it was never an issue. 

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DBsantos77

 My 5850 runs at 70C on load with the fan at 21%. 

 Also, with more heat, doesn't that practically mean that the card will require more power?

-Santos

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jonnygotguns

what is goin on in your computer man? my 5850 runs at 51C on load with fan at 70% and oc'd to 925core clock and 1275mem clock stable

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Neufeldt2002

My 260 ran at 85 degrees celcius at stock speed and the fan on auto at idle

 

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CTskifreak

That doesn't sound right at all. Way too hot - you should have RMA'd it.

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nekollx

 More Power!

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nekollx

 so a I.D. 10T error then?

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