Feds Take Down MegaUpload, Anonymous Nukes Everybody

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thematejka

I've been keeping up with all these internet freedom issues since day one, and this is my opinion thus far:

When you think about it objectively, this who entire ordeal starts to look like EVERYBODY is doing something wrong, and NOBODY is doing a whole lot of right. I appreciate what Anonymous is doing, but only insofar as they recognize the wrongdoings of the government. Although they are right on many levels about what they say, it seems that they are only fighting fire with more fire and taking a fairly immature approach to voicing themselves (I'm speaking in terms of their hack attacks). Anonymous and the people who support them are effectively enormous hypocrites because by living the way that they do, they are supporting the things they hate. It's just like some of the "Occupy" movements, who end up buying a lot of expensive things (which they don't need) to support their cause which in turn degrades their message and supports those they fight against in more ways than one.

On the other hand, the government tries to do some good things sometimes. For me, taking down pirating is not a bad thing. Yes it sucks that you can't get stuff for free, but you were never entitled to it in the first place to get it for free. BUT, the government does tend to limit our freedom to do good things, it just depends on what you define as "good". It sucks that the government imposes things on us, but the laws/bills they pass have no effect on those who don't do illegal things. If you live rightly, there will be no reason for the government to invade your privacy. I'm not saying I support the government, but the things that they do are in retaliation to bad things that citizens do. The ways they go about it have been bad, but keep in mind that they are no more in the wrong as anyone else.

bottom line: Everyone is at fault, people who don't do bad things are not affected by these current issues as much as those do bad things, AND, if you have issues with what is going on with our world/government, pack up, leave your house, and go live in the wilderness so that you do not contribute to our very hypocritical society. OR at least recognize that this is the case, and then use that as a basis to pick and choose what you want to be hypocritical about or not. At least recognize the contributory hypocrisy of EVERYONE.

The world is such as gong show, and yes, For all my words I sadly contribute to it too...

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restorator

From what I have read (assuming all that has been reported is true), they are guilty as charged, as there are emails back and forth from the people arrested that freely discuss items that were obviously in direct violation of copyright, DMCA, etc.

Now what I want to know is how and under what authority were those emails taken in the first place. After all this is the key evidence that led to the seizures and arrests. I remember when Climategate happened, not many in the media cared about the "content" of the material in the emails, just how the emails were discovered and released. Why is no one asking how these particular emails were discovered?

I think the point I am making is that nowadays the US govt needs NO warrant or even probable cause or ANYTHING AT ALL to spy on your private emails or anything on a server or electronic communication in the US to start with. That,s how Megaupload was taken down, and why you should be scared for anything you have ever said or placed online.

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djrebelion

If the system was fare there would be no cause to rebel.

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bautrey

I bet the other file sharing sites are happy. All that traffic that went to MegaUpload has to go someplace else, like to them. But still I loved MegaUpload. It was the fastest out of all the file sharing sites.

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Holly Golightly

Anonymous has become the modern day hero. Or the poetic justice for the digital world. Either way, I support his efforts.

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austin43

Anonymous isn't one guy...lol

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Greg4422

Sorry I don't support cyber terrorist.

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win7fanboi

Slapping labels to entities and using inflammatory terms doesn't buy you any creditability. Granted I haven't followed Anon's activities but everyone is so eager to use phrases like "in the interest of national security" and "in the war against terror" while all they are doing is bombarding people with sensational news and eroding freedom day by day. Taking just this one action performed by Anon and judging it on it's own merit, they have my support.

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Augray

That's just what a cyberterrorist would say!

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Zoandar

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's all store our files on remote servers, because they promise our files will be safe. We can call it "cloud computing". Nothing will ever happen to them, and we can access them whenever we want from everywhere. What could possibly go wrong?

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tekknyne

You make a good point and I think we all get it- the future will be always connected with your phone and tablet and desktop and laptop will all talk to each other! At least that's the pitch. But I'll tell ya, the future I am looking forward to embracing is out on the lake in my bass boat- and i'll probably have my laptop just to bump some mp3s and it will be nice being disconnected from everything :)

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Brad Chacos

Yup. I love me some Dropbox and SkyDrive, but treat them more as connected, offsite backups than anything else. I always keep a local copy of everything, and I slap the really important stuff on a DVD, too.

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d3v

So what about rapidshare and netload.in and imageshack and and and ... Are they going to go after all the file/image upload services? The whole business model is screwed! American style censorship! Why don't they go after youtube?

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Engelsstaub

I'm guessing it won't be long before MediaFire.com is gone as well. I use that site for legitimate reasons and have many Gbs of meticulous backups of valuable (to me) data for the sake of redundancy. I honestly feel bad for the many people who actually paid for their MegaUpload service and used it for similar reasons.

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dgrmouse

The mechanic I hired to work on my car some years ago turned out to be a meth. addict. He chained up his shop and absconded with my vehicle. I was left without my car for something like five weeks - this during a time when I had daily commutes between work, school, and home totaling well over 50 miles a day. Law enforcement agencies wouldn't assist me, as they declared my situation to be a civil matter. So, if a crackhead steals your car for a month your best recourse is to sue in civil court, but if he posts the contents of your iPod on his website in Peru, the government will storm his ISP in a foreign land, shut them down, extradite and try them for IP theft? We don't even extradite cocaine manufacturers from Peru, but we're going after people who post MP3s online? Hell, we're even going after the guys who post links to the sites where the guys post the MP3s. The United States government is so freaking corrupt it's disgusting.

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Carlidan

Well I just want to point out that the reason U.S. could seize Megaload is because it fail under the jurisdication. As for cocaine manufactures, they can't because it under Peru's government, unless you want to start a war?

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NineRaven

This is just awful. I want to know what they are going to do for the people who had their stuff backed up on megaupload. I dont think they are going to do anything. That is theft. The government isnt exempt from the law. The purpose of government is supposed to be to protect the people. This doesnt sound like they are protecting it. It sounds like they are hurting everyone who depended on that service, completely screwed a business, and celebrated. Something like this troubles me. It makes me think how long until the government steps in and starts taking over businesses. How long until they start taking away our rights? I am outraged by this. The FBI should be held responsible for their actions. Its about time the law treats them like they do everyone else.

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flash739

But, these corporations are people as our government now recognize them. They are just insanely rich "People" who can pay the Gov't insane money to be their police because they got all that cash from suing a 12 year old for file sharing.

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Architek9

This is bullshit I had my backups stored on megaupload
How about the government give me my shit back since I'm paying for them to exist.

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Danthrax66

I like how they can arrest people in other countries without an extradition hearing...

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streetking

there is going to be an extradition hearing, and that ALONE will probably take over a year

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Scatter

This article was very very lacking IMO. There's a lot more information about the take down here;

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/why-the-feds-smashed-megaupload.ars

The Feds didn't intentionally time this to "spit in Anon's face". The DoJ has been working on this case for years.

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Carlidan

No one is disputing the DOJ has been investigating them for years. It's the timing of taking down Megaload.

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EthicSlave

Sadly megabox was to blame for the eventual demise of mega____.

Which was giving artists and musicians a chance to make a few dimes off of their music/creations without having to deal with all the middle men,... this is what scared the living crap out of the top tyrants in the bussiness! Taking down mega was a huge blow to freedoms of creativity and most of america will have less or limited options on what music they should like thanks to the blow dealt to MEGA___.

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Happy

Long live Anonymous!

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abowlofsoda

Those will all the money own everything and bend everything to their will. Its far from over. They are already throwing elbows so to speak. I'm guessing Hollywood is about to mosh.

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Mortinax

That guy was never the CEO of Megaupload. He was supposedly in talks to become the CEO and was very interested in it, but it was never finalized.
Its also good to see that the government is still hiding behind the "PROTECT AMERICAN JOBS!" line whenever they do anything these days. NOT.

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Danthrax66

I liked a tweet by a musician that basically said: Now that megaupload is gone the money is rolling right in. Obviously sarcastic.

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I.See.You.See.Me

MU is just a host site. They don't have control over what users upload.

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praetor_alpha

So if the Feds just took down a foreign site, claimed to be heavily involved with copyright infringement, tell me again why PI/SO-PA is so desperately needed? Oh wait, it's not.

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kris79

Good call. They can get what they want without any laws at all. Circumvent the law and they make more money. Make up their own laws and they codify their agenda to keep the net doing their bidding . Meanwhile the rest of us would have to go to jail for doing what they are doing. You go, Anonymous!

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schmag

not really supporting either side. I think this is a perfect example of what would happen if sopa or pipa were to pass.
I think it would be a stretch to say that copyrighted works weren't exchanged on the site. at the same time the corporation is being held legally liable for the actions of its users.
has megaupload been issued dmca takedown notices that it did not comply with regarding copyrighted works? I don't know. does these same provisions even apply being they were hosted outside of the U.S.

what I do know is that the only thing saving facebook, youtube, and nearly every community driven site is that they likely comply with dmca takedown notices.

I don't agree with everything anon does by far. however if everyone just sat back and did nothing.... I think you can imagine how that story ends.

at least anon is doing something about what they believe in. instead of just commenting on an article.

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austin43

The scary part is that they didn't even need those bills passed to do this.

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kris79

The take down of Megaupload is the kind of thing that we should all be angry about as it shows the unbridled power of the media lobbyists. That the US government can dictate to New Zealand is worrisome enough, but wantonly erasing a site's users content, without any evidence, is akin to totalitarian, money grabbing, despotism. My hat is off to these courageous script kiddies as it takes them to stand against this tyranny that y'all are paying through the nose for. It's not for your interests that the media wields such power - but for themselves. Content owners, in many instances are far removed from those who actually created it. Anybody else wonder why you still have to pay to download a 60 years old Beatles song that you've probably bought 20 times already? And didn't all those Beatles songs belong to MJ before he sold them to someone else?

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Scatter

"Anybody else wonder why you still have to pay to download a 60 years old Beatles song that you've probably bought 20 times already?"

Um, because you don't own them?

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kris79

Yes, I do. Many times over. Nevertheless, should Caesars's descendants still be collecting royalties for his writing veni vidi vici? What about Herodotus or Plato? Is there a limit to anything in your opinion? Yet, every song, ever played on any radio station must be listed and turned over to an agency that bills for their airing over public airwaves. Forever. To whom? Apple, Sony, BMG, etc., etc. The artists have signed a release or even die, and Sir Gimmemomoney in Hollywood must get a cut. You're arguing on the side of someone who doesn't give a f..k about anything except how he can use you to get mo money, mo money, mo money. It's time you woke up. Get a clue...

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Nevins

You obviously don't understand copyright law then. Copyright is not there in perpetuity, which is why your statement about Veni Vidi Vici is a false analogy. If you want a song, buy it on a physical medium and you will own the rights to listen to it for as long as you want. Guess what, without that "Sir Gimmemomoney" it would not be hard to imagine that we would not have access to the incredible variety of media that we enjoy in the digital age. Obviously some copyright laws and claims go a bit too far, but this kind of hyperbole is simply ridiculous.

As far as Anon goes, I really can't get behind a group of people who essentially break things to get attention. They can legally protest and get organized politically all they want, but doing these kinds of petty attacks on USG entities is just foolish.

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kris79

Listen Nevins; You've made three incorrect assumptions.
1. Copyright is there as long as someone with enough money buys it. Wait until someone claims Veni Vidi Vici, and you'll pay for that too. Apples, for example, have been around since Adam & Eve. My analogy to buying a Beatles song long after the artists have released their rights is correct.
2. If your physical media is trashed, what is your default next step? Buy another copy? Law says you can't copy it, right? If you go and read RIAA's explanation you'll find that their interpretation is very squishy, effectively saying any copying without permission is against the law. http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_the_law Good luck trying to reason with them. They have demonstrated numerous times their ability to buy any interpretation they desire in our courts and legislature.
3. Sir Gimmemomoney, is the impediment, not the facilitator, of access to incredible variety of media. Remember MP3.com? Effectively removed from sight so that Sir Gimme can squelch the competition. Other examples abound.
Hyperbole is there to get your attention. Guess it worked.

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win7fanboi

+ 1 Kris.

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Carlidan

"Apples, for example, have been around since Adam & Eve. "
First off apples were probably here way before humans ever existed. Second Adam and Eve are both fictional. :P

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kris79

It was merely a reference to Genesis and the second coming of Steve Jobs' company. Get it? I wonder how it is that we can buy those round red things in the supermarket these days without someone getting sued. (Note my aversion to mentioning the word without paying royalties?) So sorry you feel that way.

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Carlidan

Ah sorry didn't get that reference. :(

Don't feel sorry that I don't believe in religion. I'm quite happy I don't believe in it. :) I do believe in science and that makes me think beyond this world and stimulates my mind. :)

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tekknyne

Well said Kris. +1

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torusya

these tards... because of the anonymous we will be getting more and more bills like SOPA and PIPA... the entire internet stands up to show that we don't want these bills to pass and what do we get, a bunch of stupid punks hacking gov. websites... now gov. dont care if SOPA has anything to do with hackers, it only gives them another reason to vote for it...

i never liked and suported anon, but they are just plain stupid now...

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ApathyCurve

Awwww... Widdle script-kiddies mad?

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illusionslayer

Good to see you supporting the cause.

You might as well have said "Aww poor little woman mad?" to Rosa Parks.

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tekknyne

Great analogy! GOOOO ANON!

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