Feds Begin Offensive against Movie Pirates

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PawBear

 I heard there's a new tax on pirated stuff to pay off the national debt.

"Either we conform the Truth to our desires or we conform our desires to the Truth."

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Hmmm lets se with the BP oil spill, Afghan war, war in Iraq
and thousands of people out of jobs  our
great government  is going to waste the
time and our money to pursues this. To make it worse they cover it up with homeland
security issue/ice. There is a lot of bigger issues in the world then someone
streaming a movie to watch from a website. Oh yeah didn't Obama say that he was
sick of all the lobbyist  in Washington
and was going to make CHANGES. Hmmm at least with Bush u know what u got Obama
is worse because he lies with the great smile on his face.   

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aca20031

Sometimes, I feel horribly guilty for forcing actors to only buy 100 thousand dollar cars instead of half a million.

 

It hurts me inside. 

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nHeroGo

The article talks about piracy of Hollywood-like productions and not so much about TV-productions.

I suppose "stealing" TV-shows is also sort of shop-lifting from your couch. You see, if you have a TiVo, and record a TV-show then you are not stealing. But if you download the same TV-show because you do not own a TiVo then you are stealing. That is a distinction for lawyers and pure people and may eventually effect not-so-pure people.

I wonder what the future will hold for TV-shows, after all, they are made to sell soap, so if you do not watch commercials you are stealing from the soap advertisers, which makes you a bad person and must be fined and/or go to jail. Even if you buy the soap in the store.

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I Jedi

Well, using such services, such as TiVo is perfectly legal to do. Really, when you get right down to it, the movie industry just sues to make money. There is no way they (the movie industry) can say that pirating affected movie sale prices because how do you know those people were even going to go out and watch the movie anyways?

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steakkills

those fucking bastards i was just about to go onto tvshack... whats next porn?

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allantang

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winmaster

Your DVD remote has no menu button? I never watch trailers.

 

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aviaggio

THIS.

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steakkills

I dig your picture

 

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Yusonice

So downloading movies is morally wrong but having premarital sex is fine

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winmaster

The cake is a lie.

 

Sorry, I just wanted to throw in a random topic too. 

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I Jedi

Honestly, I do not see how you can compare premarital sex to piracy/stealing. They are two different subjects entirely.

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Cache

Why yes, it is.  How can you be morally guilty regarding sex when you are unattached to anyone (ie, unmarried) and both parties consent to it?  Just how naive are you?

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I Jedi

Well, when you buy a movie, the warning screen in the movie clearly states that it is for home viewing only. Public viewing and making revenue off of the movie is strictly forbidden. 'Course, how did we manage to watch all those Disney movies in class back in the old days, if our class waa a public class?

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aviaggio

A little concept called Fair Use, which allows for such things in an educational setting. Which of course the MPAA is also trying to take away from us.

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aviaggio

With all the shit going on in this country and the world, and THIS is what the government has the time and energy to do? FUCKING RETARDS.

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szore

...right out of my mouth.

 

 

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I Jedi

Considering that Democrats naturally expand government, they'll just hire more people on to tackle this issue. Lawls.

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lunchbox73

...and brag about the new jobs they created.

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I Jedi

Even if the government does succede in knocking down a few major sources of pirating, more will just pop up in those site's places. My point being is that we have to figure out why piracy happens, and how to help best combat it. Most of us tout that it is because of ridicilous prices that we must pay for media content, and that we all hate restrictins on our media that prevents us from doing what we want with it; however, I would like to ask people here this question. Theoretically, if the prices were slashed in half, so say a new movie only costed $10 instead of $20, and less/total removal of media restrictions were placed, would you buy it? Even so, why would you feel justified to now steal something that does not belong to you in the first place? Perhaps I am just too morally uptight, but when I know something doesn't belong to me, I either buy it or don't, but never steal it.

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mesiah

People can make whatever excuses they want about why they use pirated content, but it really boils down to two things. Ease of access, and greed.

It doesn't matter how much you cut the cost of a movie. As long as people have to pay money for every movie they get, alot of them will look to free alternatives. Add in the fact that people don't even have to leave their seat it its a hard bargain to pass up.

 I'm not going to say I have never watched a pirated movie, because I have. Mainly because of ease of access. But if I can watch it on hulu, or even netflix (which I pay for) I would much rather do that. I rationalize it by telling myself "Its not stealing if I already had access to it through netflix. I just don't want to wait for it to get here by mail." But I know deep down I'm stealing.

As for new release movies. I don't know why anyone would want to watch some bootleg movie recorded in a theater with a camcorder. I just can't get into a movie when the picture is bouncing around and peoples heads are in the way. I would much rather shell out the money and go see it in person.

Anyway, piracy will always be an issue.  But the more widely accessable movies become online, the more the average person like me will be open to watching them legitimately. Monthly pay services are the way to go. 

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I Jedi

I think you are right that services, like Netflix, are the best ways to go. People simply do not want to shell out $20 bucks to own a movie, and as you said, most people want ease of access. I think the movie industry is fighting to preserve an old business model that simply will not hold in the future.

I also think piracy will always be an issue, and quite frankly, there has never been a point where it has not been an issue. Even before the wide-spread adoption of the Internet, people made copies of VHS tapes, and passed it around to friends and family. Cops just had a harder time tracking the source because there was no IP or username attached to these movies to go back to the source of the piracy. 

Personally, as I said before, I feel morally wrong for downloading anything illegally, which is why I do not do it. There was a point, years and years ago, when I did do it, but stealing seems wrong. I may not have money to buy the latest Photoshop software, but I am certainly not going to go out and steal it because of this. 

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mesiah

I agree that its wrong. I just think, like alot of people, its easier to steal something when you don't have to look someone in the eye to do it. I guess its that way with most things. I'm sure it would be alot harder for the president to drop a bomb on some foreign country if he had to meet the people he was killing beforehand.

 

Piracy is definately more of an issue today than it was back in the vhs days. Noone was going to say anything if you made a copy of something for friends. But these days you can make a copy of a new song and distribute it to thousands of people in minutes. I just hope we can one day strike a good balance between digital rights, and fast cost effective media distribution.

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Danthrax66

I think you are just too morally strict and believe the lies the industry tells you Avatar the most pirated movie was also the highest grossing movie of all time. So the idea that piracy actually affects sales is complete bullshit. Just because I download the shit oin 480p doesn't mean I won't buy it on blu-ray if it's worth it. But I agree if they charged less and didn't fucking copy protect it to the point that I can't play it then I would buy more. Now music on the other hand is different because the artists don't get a lot of money from record sales. The fucking corporations do that think justin beiber is good well I don't support douche bags so I don't like buying music from major labels. Once more bands start realizing that recording your own music and releasing it online is actually more profitable then the music industry will improve. Radioheads last album was released online a month ahead of time with a price of whatever you feel like paying. And even though most of the sales were for nothing they still made more money on that album than  the sales of their entire previous album through a major label.

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mesiah

You are using very flawed logic. The fact that the movie was a best seller has nothing to do with whether or not piracy had an effect on sales. A really popular movie is going to to sell alot of copies no matter what. Its also going to be pirated a ton no matter what. If the average movie makes 75 millions dollars and is pirated 1 million times by people who never intend to pay for the movie, and a blockbuster makes 300 million and is pirated by 10 million people that never intend to pay for the movie, thats still a loss. In fact its more of a loss than on a lesser movie, it just doesn't seem like as much because the movie did so well. But make no mistake, the loss is still there.

The point you are really making, which is bullshit by the way, is "they are rich, they can afford to have me steal from them." Steal all you want, but atleast be honest with yourself about it. Don't try to hide behind the "victimless crime" bullshit. As I said before, I have watched pirated movies in the past, and I will probably do it in the future. But I don't make lame ass excuses for why its ok.

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aviaggio

Just because I sit thru a movie (or TV show) doesn't mean I'm willing to pay for it. There is a whole lotta crap we sit thru just cause it's on that we in no way shape or form would open our wallet to buy.

So yeah, there are a lot of movies you're simply never going to buy at ANY price, but if someone gives it to you for free and you have even a passing interest you'll probably watch it.

This is one of the reasons why Netflix is so popular, cause it's buffet-style. You know damned well there would be a lot less movie-watching if you had to pay for each movie ala carte.

 

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Peanut Fox

That sir, depends on what that ala carte price is.

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I Jedi

To be honest, I am a somewhat morally strict person on myself; however, I do not believe the lies the industry tells me about them being butthurt in movie sale loses. I simply think that it is wrong to take something that was never mine to begin with, unless I pay for it. I hate feeling guilty about things, and I have my parents to thank for instilling such values in me. Sometimes, though, I kind of wish I did not feel guilt because there are movies I would love to see, but do not have the money to pay for/rent.

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Jelson

 Could not have said it better myself, but your wasting your time. People in general will always believe that everything should be free. everything! that is, but there own time and service. Funny don't you think?

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